"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Jiren The Alpha]

Why do people want Frieza to die? it's not his fault that he is a big draw......well actually it is

[Gogeta SSJ Blue]

Why do people want Frieza to die? it's not his fault that he is a big draw......well actually it is

You know, I don't understand it either!

Why the "hate" is so much?

He might probably die on this arc anyway but if he doesn't then what is the problem?

[SupremeKai25]

It's not hate LOL, I honestly don't care about Frieza at all, I'm just calling what will happen in the arc. What's obvious is that Granolah won't be the final villain of this arc, something will happen and he'll change sides. The obvious similarities with Future Trunks are intentional. And since Granolah's entire life was ruined more by Frieza than the Saiyans, and Frieza remains a threat to the protagonist (as established at the end of the Broly movie), it's obvious he'll meet his end in this arc.

Beerus?

It was Frieza Army who wished him in back on RoF.

And then Whis kept him alive on ToP ending.

Right?

Beerus had Whis resurrect Frieza as reward for his role in the ToP. It wasn't Whis' idea, it was Beerus', Whis just did it because only Angels can resurrect people.

Point is, it wasn't something that the Saiyans wanted. Vegeta even says that Frieza needs to die, because if he finds another power-up he will return to destroy the Earth.

[DiscountDabi]

Given Whis said that Goku should learn his own unique fighting style, perhaps the next step in further pushing Ultra Instinct would be to master all fighting styles in the universe. This would be a prime opportunity to introduce someone like Pikkon for fan service and he have a fighting style based on kicks.

[Magnificent Ponta]

However long it takes, I don't want Freeza to die until he has some comic misunderstanding with the Dragon God on a wish that leads to him gaining 5 cm in height by changing his skull shape to that of a chestnut.

I'm firm on this position.

[SupremeKai25]

However long it takes, I don't want Freeza to die until he has some comic misunderstanding with the Dragon God on a wish that leads to him gaining 5 cm in height by changing his skull shape to that of a chestnut.

I'm firm on this position.

You'd think that a futuristic, inter-galactic empire with hundreds of scientists, doctors, etc. would be able to find a way to increase Frieza's height. Like if they can literally give him a robotic body, it should be easy to make him taller.

[DiscountDabi]

However long it takes, I don't want Freeza to die until he has some comic misunderstanding with the Dragon God on a wish that leads to him gaining 5 cm in height by changing his skull shape to that of a chestnut.

I'm firm on this position.

You'd think that a futuristic, inter-galactic empire with hundreds of scientists, doctors, etc. would be able to find a way to increase Frieza's height. Like if they can literally give him a robotic body, it should be easy to make him taller.

He likely doesn’t want people to find out

[Extreme_kai]

Wow, so many Frieza haters lol. It's strange since Frieza returning in the TOP arc (And Zamasu/ Black to a lesser extent) are the reasons I got back into DragonBall.Since everyone's hating, I hope he lives forever now and becomes the next Hakioshin on top of that. All jokes aside, this is shaping up to be a lot more interesting that the Moro arc, although I might be biased since I'm interested in Frieza's involvement. In retrospect, what even was the significance of Moro? He seemed like a big nothing when you think about it. So much squandered potential in that arc. Hopefully, Granolah won't let us down.

[Gogeta SSJ Blue]

It's not hate LOL, I honestly don't care about Frieza at all, I'm just calling what will happen in the arc. What's obvious is that Granolah won't be the final villain of this arc, something will happen and he'll change sides. The obvious similarities with Future Trunks are intentional. And since Granolah's entire life was ruined more by Frieza than the Saiyans, and Frieza remains a threat to the protagonist (as established at the end of the Broly movie), it's obvious he'll meet his end in this arc.

Beerus?

It was Frieza Army who wished him in back on RoF.

And then Whis kept him alive on ToP ending.

Right?

Beerus had Whis resurrect Frieza as reward for his role in the ToP. It wasn't Whis' idea, it was Beerus', Whis just did it because only Angels can resurrect people.

Point is, it wasn't something that the Saiyans wanted. Vegeta even says that Frieza needs to die, because if he finds another power-up he will return to destroy the Earth.

Ok, I get it about not be really hate for Frieza.

I tend to agree that he might die on this arc.

And I think too that Granolah will team up with the Goku and Vegeta!

For Beerus wishing him, it makes sense with your explanation, for it to be a reward.

[SupremeKai25]

Wow, so many Frieza haters lol. It's strange since Frieza returning in the TOP arc (And Zamasu/ Black to a lesser extent) are the reasons I got back into DragonBall.Since everyone's hating, I hope he lives forever now and becomes the next Hakioshin on top of that. All jokes aside, this is shaping up to be a lot more interesting that the Moro arc, although I might be biased since I'm interested in Frieza's involvement. In retrospect, what even was the significance of Moro? He seemed like a big nothing when you think about it. So much squandered potential in that arc. Hopefully, Granolah won't let us down.

Again, not hating.

In fact, I actually liked Frieza's inclusion in the ToP arc, and even said he was the most interesting aspect of the arc, since he was the only remotely villainous major character. I never understood why people were salty Buu got replaced by Frieza, because Buu is boring. Like I'd rather see Frieza scheming and grinning than Buu... being dumb. There, I said it.

But he's a fictional character, just because I want him dead doesn't mean I hate him. It's not real life. There are plenty of people who want their favourite character to die, either because they think it makes sense storywise, or because they don't want them to be ruined by the writers. The reasons are many.

[Kinokima]

I don’t hate Freeza I just never saw the purpose to bringing him back and don’t feel it added anything to the series after all this time. He was brought back just so he could team up with Goku in the TOP. Goku has teamed up with enemies before (although usually they were on the road to eventual redemption) so that added nothing for Goku. And it didn’t really add anything for Freeza either since unlike Piccolo or Vegeta he most likely isn’t going to be redeemed

And now that he is alive he is starting up his army to destroy planets again. I am just not seeing the point from a story standpoint

Even as a villain Freeza is hardly a real threat. He’s a joke


But if he is here to stay I do hope I am wrong and they find something interesting to do with his character.


As for Granola teaming up with the Saiyans I’d argue he has reason to hate them too. He may eventually forgive but I don’t think that is where we will be at the start.

[Kinokima]

However long it takes, I don't want Freeza to die until he has some comic misunderstanding with the Dragon God on a wish that leads to him gaining 5 cm in height by changing his skull shape to that of a chestnut.

I'm firm on this position.

I forgot about Freeza’s wish. I did love that part in the movie (And Bulma’s very similar wish)

Okay I take it back it was worth Freeza coming back just for that

[Yuji]

I love that the universe didn't stop after Trunks killed Freeza (and Cold) and the gang stopped going out into space. This chapter reminds us both that the consequences of Freeza's army and Saiyan invasions still linger and that other factions soon took Freeza's place and now that the original emperor is back, they're competing for power.

Depending on how ambitious this arc wants to be, this would also be a great time to reveal to Vegeta that it was Beerus who ordered the destruction of planet Vegeta.

[Matches Malone]

Depending on how ambitious this arc wants to be, this would also be a great time to reveal to Vegeta that it was Beerus who ordered the destruction of planet Vegeta.

That was a dub change, Beerus simply gave Freeza the OK to destroy it.

[Yuji]

Depending on how ambitious this arc wants to be, this would also be a great time to reveal to Vegeta that it was Beerus who ordered the destruction of planet Vegeta.

That was a dub change, Beerus simply gave Freeza the OK to destroy it.

As far as the manga is concerned, it was done at Beerus' request.

Spoiler:

[Gogeta SSJ Blue]

I love that the universe didn't stop after Trunks killed Freeza (and Cold) and the gang stopped going out into space. This chapter reminds us both that the consequences of Freeza's army and Saiyan invasions still linger and that other factions soon took Freeza's place and now that the original emperor is back, they're competing for power.

Depending on how ambitious this arc wants to be, this would also be a great time to reveal to Vegeta that it was Beerus who ordered the destruction of planet Vegeta.

Somehow, I do't want it to happen just yet on this arc!

Because, imagine it,

Spoiler:

Beerus starts training him

and then it would be like a betrayal in a way to find that out.

[Yuji]

I love that the universe didn't stop after Trunks killed Freeza (and Cold) and the gang stopped going out into space. This chapter reminds us both that the consequences of Freeza's army and Saiyan invasions still linger and that other factions soon took Freeza's place and now that the original emperor is back, they're competing for power.

Depending on how ambitious this arc wants to be, this would also be a great time to reveal to Vegeta that it was Beerus who ordered the destruction of planet Vegeta.

Somehow, I do't want it to happen just yet on this arc!

Because, imagine it,

Spoiler:

Beerus starts training him

and then it would be like a betrayal in a way to find that out.

I don't think it has to be a major plot point or a catalyst to a new arc like some fans sometimes imagine it. If Vegeta found out, it could add a bit of tension between the two characters and some drama to the training this arc, but ultimately it would probably serve to further Vegeta's development as someone who has gotten over the destruction of his people. Vegeta nowadays would probably claim they deserved it, much like Goku did in the Namek arc.

[Hellspawn28]

Makes me wonder what is the point of having Tsufuru-jins in the first place? It won't surprise me if Toriyama forgot about them.

He seems to have remembered them as recently as 2014, which, given the number of other things he's forgotten from time to time, was a surprise to me when I read it.

Knowing Toriyama, he probably forgot that interview

[Gogeta SSJ Blue]

I love that the universe didn't stop after Trunks killed Freeza (and Cold) and the gang stopped going out into space. This chapter reminds us both that the consequences of Freeza's army and Saiyan invasions still linger and that other factions soon took Freeza's place and now that the original emperor is back, they're competing for power.

Depending on how ambitious this arc wants to be, this would also be a great time to reveal to Vegeta that it was Beerus who ordered the destruction of planet Vegeta.

Somehow, I do't want it to happen just yet on this arc!

Because, imagine it,

Spoiler:

Beerus starts training him

and then it would be like a betrayal in a way to find that out.

I don't think it has to be a major plot point or a catalyst to a new arc like some fans sometimes imagine it. If Vegeta found out, it could add a bit of tension between the two characters and some drama to the training this arc, but ultimately it would probably serve to further Vegeta's development as someone who has gotten over the destruction of his people. Vegeta nowadays would probably claim they deserved it, much like Goku did in the Namek arc.

Then it could still be interesting that way!

I am not against it if that is how it will be worked out for the plot and character development.

[OLKv3]

Looks like a lore heavy arc.