"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Kinokima]

Drafts are out

https://twitter.com/dbshype/status/1360 ... 46913?s=21

Doesn't seem like much to discuss until we get translations.

Actually those are out too

https://twitter.com/herms98/status/1360 ... 18406?s=21

Honestly some interesting build up so far with both Granolah and the Vegeta/Beerus stuff

[DiscountDabi]

Drafts are out

https://twitter.com/dbshype/status/1360 ... 46913?s=21

Doesn't seem like much to discuss until we get translations.

Actually those are out too

https://twitter.com/herms98/status/1360 ... 18406?s=21

Honestly some interesting build up so far with both Granolah and the Vegeta/Beerus stuff

Interesting.

Spoiler:

The God of Destruction Technique Beerus will be showing Vegeta is closely related to the past of the Saiyans? Thats really interesting because there was a theory that the technque brings out the primal instincts of the users race. So perhaps its a doorway for some sort of Super Saiyan 4 kind of thing? Just my initial thoughts.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Doesn't seem like much to discuss until we get translations.

Actually those are out too

https://twitter.com/herms98/status/1360 ... 18406?s=21

Honestly some interesting build up so far with both Granolah and the Vegeta/Beerus stuff

Interesting.

Spoiler:

The God of Destruction Technique Beerus will be showing Vegeta is closely related to the past of the Saiyans? Thats really interesting because there was a theory that the technque brings out the primal instincts of the users race. So perhaps its a doorway for some sort of Super Saiyan 4 kind of thing? Just my initial thoughts.

I think they're linked because Beerus is going to teach him to use destruction, and the Saiyans have a history of destruction.

[Yasai9001]

I like the slower pace of the manga so far. I've a feeling people are gonna complain, but I'm willing to get more lore and proper build up. This arc has some potential.

[pepd]

Spoiler:

The Sugajin are cute.

Beerus says that the technique is deeply related to the saiyajin’s past. Specifically, he seems interested in the destruction they caused, the responsibility for it, and its relation with their own destruction. Or at least, in what Vegeta thinks of that.

[Jmass97]

I love how the fans don't get why Frieza's form is golden, even tho he said it in the movie. The fans is at bad at remembering as Toriyama somtimes, at least Toriyama has the excuse that he is getting older.

This x10 over

[FortuneSSJ]

Loved the drafts.
Modern Toriyama and Saiyans' lore is a dangerous combo, but at least he's not blaming all the evil things Saiyans did on Freeza...

I see some people comparing Granolah to a Mandalorian. I don't know the similarities because I don't watch that series, but considering Toriyama was always a huge fan of Star Wars it may not be a coincidence if there are some.

[Kinokima]

I like the slower pace of the manga so far. I've a feeling people are gonna complain, but I'm willing to get more lore and proper build up. This arc has some potential.

I think slower pace is fine if it is interesting which this stuff is. There is some interesting world and character building going on here

[Cipher]

I remain incredibly taken with the way this is starting out.

I'd always thought the idea of a Saiyan-vengeance plot to hackneyed to bother with again, but it's going at it in such unexpected ways. We have Granolah living on his old world, now repopulated by a species the Heatas sold it off to and with whom he's on vaguely friendly terms. We have Beerus and Vegeta's conversation exploring their various thoughts on the Saiyans and their history (I never though the series needed to explore Beerus' role in requesting its destruction, and I'm not sure we'll get more than this one exchange, but that element being there as he's probing Vegeta for his thoughts on them is definitely an interesting dynamic!), Vegeta doubling down on the reflection he did in the previous arc, and the promise that all of these elements will somehow come together to form the arc's central conflict.

I still can't even say who our villain is going to be! Granolah is likable, even Elec is likable in his rather grounded mobster-business goals (and the upshot is an objectively better quality of life for people like the Suga race who were able to purchase a planet to live on--and it's not like the Heatas had cleared out that planet themselves; they just took advantage of funding its reconstruction for a profit), Freeza is essentially a frenemy, etc. So wherever our main antagonist comes from, it isn't going to be your typical "New evil villain!" ordeal. Everyone has somewhat understandable motives that simply look ready to clash in some way. (I mean, Freeza is the most morally objectionable character on the board this arc, but he's also not in a position where he'll be its main antagonist, somewhat cozy with the main cast as he is--just a trope of the fiction.)

It could implode in the next thirty pages, I suppose, but as of this release of storyboards, it continues to be my favorite arc opening in Super, and I'm loving both the slower character setup and having no idea where things will go.

It's also going through my mind that after this much time for build-up, whenever the first substantial fight occurs (as opposed to bits of sideshow action Toyotaro tries to work in each month), it's probably going to be incredibly satisfying.

[Kinokima]

I still feel Granolah will be the main antagonist. He may not be evil but revenge can corrupt a person. I could see Freeza if/when he becomes involved making the situation worse too.

That being said I can’t see what the Heatas role in this will be yet. They are definitely an interesting puzzle piece.

[caire]

If I recall correctly, in one of the bonus mangas during Moro, Freeza claims he sees himself as running a business rather than an evil organisation because the Freeza force destroys planets and then sells them to races in need of a home. So it's charitable.
It's interesting to see the Heetas going much the same way, but with "intel" rather than might - so they seem to be basically taking planets that Freeza destroyed and selling them on before Freeza can

My memory is a bit fuzzy though so please correct me if this isn't the case!

[OrangeBanana]

I am really liking this arc so far, and that's what makes me worried that the more we go into this arc the worse its going to get. The idea of the saiyans' past sins coming back to bite them in the ass is a good idea, its pretty similar to the Frieza arc but this time the saiyans take the role of Frieza (Frieza is present too, still works tho) and Granola takes the role of the saiyans (Super Cereal legend when???).

Also the talk between Vegeta and Beerus is pretty interesting, to me it implies that Beerus is going to teach Vegeta a technique which represents the saiyans' destructive nature, maybe a super saiyan god of destruction form might come of this?

[Gt91]

I am really liking this arc so far, and that's what makes me worried that the more we go into this arc the worse its going to get. The idea of the saiyans' past sins coming back to bite them in the ass is a good idea, its pretty similar to the Frieza arc but this time the saiyans take the role of Frieza (Frieza is present too, still works tho) and Granola takes the role of the saiyans (Super Cereal legend when???).

Also the talk between Vegeta and Beerus is pretty interesting, to me it implies that Beerus is going to teach Vegeta a technique which represents the saiyans' destructive nature, maybe a super saiyan god of destruction form might come of this?

A transformation is likely to come for him.
About Vegeta, yes, the concept is great for me. Just something more than a super sayan purple please

[Cipher]

If I recall correctly, in one of the bonus mangas during Moro, Freeza claims he sees himself as running a business rather than an evil organisation because the Freeza force destroys planets and then sells them to races in need of a home. So it's charitable.
It's interesting to see the Heetas going much the same way, but with "intel" rather than might - so they seem to be basically taking planets that Freeza destroyed and selling them on before Freeza can

My memory is a bit fuzzy though so please correct me if this isn't the case!

Seems to be the implication indeed that they were able to fill the power vacuum left by Freeza in a more "peaceful" (still exploitative, but not genocidal) way, even capitalizing on planets his army had to leave behind with his death, and have now been put out by his return. Pretty interesting dynamic!

[OrangeBanana]

I am really liking this arc so far, and that's what makes me worried that the more we go into this arc the worse its going to get. The idea of the saiyans' past sins coming back to bite them in the ass is a good idea, its pretty similar to the Frieza arc but this time the saiyans take the role of Frieza (Frieza is present too, still works tho) and Granola takes the role of the saiyans (Super Cereal legend when???).

Also the talk between Vegeta and Beerus is pretty interesting, to me it implies that Beerus is going to teach Vegeta a technique which represents the saiyans' destructive nature, maybe a super saiyan god of destruction form might come of this?

A transformation is likely to come for him.
About Vegeta, yes, the concept is great for me. Just something more than a super sayan purple please

I kinda hope he gets SSJ4 or something that continues the mainline SSJ transformations, it could even be a shorter haired SSJ3 with eyebrows and a different hair colour and I'd be happy. Just please not another recolour.

[EGonzo]

I am really liking this arc so far, and that's what makes me worried that the more we go into this arc the worse its going to get. The idea of the saiyans' past sins coming back to bite them in the ass is a good idea, its pretty similar to the Frieza arc but this time the saiyans take the role of Frieza (Frieza is present too, still works tho) and Granola takes the role of the saiyans (Super Cereal legend when???).

Also the talk between Vegeta and Beerus is pretty interesting, to me it implies that Beerus is going to teach Vegeta a technique which represents the saiyans' destructive nature, maybe a super saiyan god of destruction form might come of this?

A transformation is likely to come for him.
About Vegeta, yes, the concept is great for me. Just something more than a super sayan purple please

I wouldn't mind purple if the form was designed similar to Toppo's GoD form in the anime

[Yasai9001]

If I recall correctly, in one of the bonus mangas during Moro, Freeza claims he sees himself as running a business rather than an evil organisation because the Freeza force destroys planets and then sells them to races in need of a home. So it's charitable.
It's interesting to see the Heetas going much the same way, but with "intel" rather than might - so they seem to be basically taking planets that Freeza destroyed and selling them on before Freeza can

My memory is a bit fuzzy though so please correct me if this isn't the case!

Pretty much. It's nice knowing that besides Freeza, there are still people who can get under his nose and do their own business. Freeza may have a strong hold of a significant portion of the Universe, but there are still people and beings out there who want to do their own thing with their own selfish-minded businesses. Freeza, being a powerhouse of an obstacle, means that they have to work around ways in order to get what they want as well. It's nice knowing things like that

[theherodjl]

What would Freeza look like if made his own God form? Maybe charcoal/black to fit the theme of a "dark god"? Perhaps going for a shiny shade of blue to mock SSJB as his golden form does for SSJ? Suppose Freeza can just change the color of his form at will and changes it to match whoever his latest opponent is, sort of like a trollish chameleon?

[jd55513]

It's still too early to tell exactly where this might go. I remember in the Toyatoro interview, he said that many secrets would be revealed that only the creator (Toriyama) knows about.

Perhaps we will get more ancient saiyan lore, such as Yamoshi and maybe more on Beeruses reasons for wanting the Saiyans destroyed.

Maybe it's more Philosophical, is it the nature of Saiyans to destroy, pillage, and end civilizations? Or are they better than that? Are they truly more like the Universe 6 Saiyans?
That may be where its heading.

[DestructoDisc]

I have no idea why you people care so much about other universes being used when U7 has been barely explored.

I guess people want to see characters like Hit, Jiren, Kefla etc again, or what fighters there are in the 4 universes that didn't compete in the ToP. Nobody wants to see fodders like Krillin or Roshi in action again, and people don't want Goku and Vegeta to get all the spotlight again.