"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[TobyS]

Does anyone know if the latest super chapter that said Namekians come from another “realm” is exactly the same as the way demon “realm” is referred to? Or was Viz just being fancy with “another place” because the implication varies a lot

[LightBing]

Does anyone know if the latest super chapter that said Namekians come from another “realm” is exactly the same as the way demon “realm” is referred to? Or was Viz just being fancy with “another place” because the implication varies a lot

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1362980800065544193

Seems purposely vague.

[emperior]

The line about Namekians being from a different realm will probably lead to some kind of reveal later down the line, I think, or else why put it there alongside new lore about DBs, which can now be a different number than 7?

[EGonzo]

It's kind of funny that the OG Dragon Ball scene where they explain the DBs used to be a single big one that got split up can technically be canon now

[Yasai9001]

The line about Namekians being from a different realm will probably lead to some kind of reveal later down the line, I think, or else why put it there alongside new lore about DBs, which can now be a different number than 7?

The way I see it, the Namekians can be from one or two either realms: the Demon Realm or their own Dragon Realm. The only reason I believe more that they could come from the Demon Realm is because of the fact that individuals from that world have powers based solely around magic. Toriyama explained this a while back, though I wasn't able to find the source of where he said it. As to how they could transfer from there to different Universes, I don't know. If not those two, then I expect Toriyama to just make something up as he always does. Can't know for sure yet. I really do expect Namekian lore to come into play in this story, just don't see how at the moment.

[Koitsukai]

I wouldn't discard namekians being originally from U6 just yet. The elder namek did say that they came to THIS UNIVERSE from somewhere else. Maybe U6 and U7 namekians came from one of the erased universes, IDK. Maybe U1-4 also have namekians as well. They seem to have a some kind of connection to the high deities, with the Super DBs being able to override Zeno's erasure.

I'm still thrilled and surprised DBS is having the balls to expand on these kind of subjects. My guess is we are still going to learn more stuff about them. Maybe all the way up to Zalama? I do doubt that, though.

[TKA]

Vegeta has no fear of going to Hell. He fully accepted he was going to go there in the Buu arc, and still does not consider himself worthy of anything else.

[emperior]

The line about Namekians being from a different realm will probably lead to some kind of reveal later down the line, I think, or else why put it there alongside new lore about DBs, which can now be a different number than 7?

The way I see it, the Namekians can be from one or two either realms: the Demon Realm or their own Dragon Realm. The only reason I believe more that they could come from the Demon Realm is because of the fact that individuals from that world have powers based solely around magic. Toriyama explained this a while back, though I wasn't able to find the source of where he said it. As to how they could transfer from there to different Universes, I don't know. If not those two, then I expect Toriyama to just make something up as he always does. Can't know for sure yet. I really do expect Namekian lore to come into play in this story, just don't see how at the moment.

Namekians being originally from the Demon Realm would really be a cool twist. And it could make sense. We know that Angels cannot revive those killed by Demons but Dragon Balls can. And Piccolo was at first a Demon, and the only one we saw aside of Dabura, so I wonder if only those originally from the Demon Realm can become Demons (ex. Someone like Vegeta could never become one).

[MCDaveG]

So it comes to this, huh? The power rank is so huge for Goku and Vegeta, that only way to get a stronger opponent is for Granola or anyone to wish to be the strongest by Dragon Balls... well, why not, even tho it is borderline stretch for me a bit. with magical powers from different dimension. Much like Buu for example. Awesome![/spoiler]

Nah not really, Toyotaro wouldn't dare to undermine the entire franchise by letting a 2 DB Shenron be able to grant that wish.

That was my initial reaction
Why is everyone else making it this hard with 7 balls, when here gramps being lazy just made it with two and doesn't care

I like the overall new idea with the Namekians and I don't have problem with more dragons, besides the Super Shenlong and this new one having kinda lazy designs, compared to Porunga for example, being basically dragons with few tweaks.
But man, two dragon balls... sure, why wouldn't they create like 13 balls for example or any other number besides 7 being magic. But, two dragon balls... thanks Xeogran for ruining my mind now with this

[emperior]

I don’t get how people expect this new Toronbo dragon to be able to grant that wish. For sure Toriyama has not forgotten that dragons’ power have some limits as Goku literally says Freeza cannot wish to get stronger in the last movie (though Shenron can grant immortality). Therefore it’s quite obvious that Granola won’t suddenly become the strongest thanks to this wish. Or else Super Shenron would basically be useless.

(I hope this arc will explore the DBs more. Maybe Zalama will be introduced?)

[MCDaveG]

I don’t get how people expect this new Toronbo dragon to be able to grant that wish. For sure Toriyama has not forgotten that dragons’ power have some limits as Goku literally says Freeza cannot wish to get stronger in the last movie (though Shenron can grant immortality). Therefore it’s quite obvious that Granola won’t suddenly become the strongest thanks to this wish. Or else Super Shenron would basically be useless.

(I hope this arc will explore the DBs more. Maybe Zalama will be introduced?)

Well, maybe with just two balls the power gets more condensed!

But I would find it curious if some bargain sale shenron on backwater planet could grant such wish, when others can not.

[Thani]

The line about Namekians being from a different realm will probably lead to some kind of reveal later down the line, I think, or else why put it there alongside new lore about DBs, which can now be a different number than 7?

The way I see it, the Namekians can be from one or two either realms: the Demon Realm or their own Dragon Realm. The only reason I believe more that they could come from the Demon Realm is because of the fact that individuals from that world have powers based solely around magic. Toriyama explained this a while back, though I wasn't able to find the source of where he said it. As to how they could transfer from there to different Universes, I don't know. If not those two, then I expect Toriyama to just make something up as he always does. Can't know for sure yet. I really do expect Namekian lore to come into play in this story, just don't see how at the moment.

Namekians being originally from the Demon Realm would really be a cool twist. And it could make sense. We know that Angels cannot revive those killed by Demons but Dragon Balls can. And Piccolo was at first a Demon, and the only one we saw aside of Dabura, so I wonder if only those originally from the Demon Realm can become Demons (ex. Someone like Vegeta could never become one).

The problem I see is: every universe, if they're identical in structure to U7, should have a Demon Realm, just like it has it's own afterlife and kaioshin realm. Unless they reveal that all Demon Realms are connected with each other, that wouldn't explain namekian presence in U6 or other universes if they're native to U7's Demon Realm.

I think a non-explored Dragon Realm, functioning similarly to Zen'Oh's Realm in that it's separate from the other universes, would work best.

[Jack Bz]

Glad we're getting some namekian lore expansion. It's been really needed ever since the revelation that the original dragon balls were created by the dragon god Zalama and a million questions were raised about how Zalama links to namekians. Let's hope some of those questions are answered.

[TobyS]

The way I see it, the Namekians can be from one or two either realms: the Demon Realm or their own Dragon Realm. The only reason I believe more that they could come from the Demon Realm is because of the fact that individuals from that world have powers based solely around magic. Toriyama explained this a while back, though I wasn't able to find the source of where he said it. As to how they could transfer from there to different Universes, I don't know. If not those two, then I expect Toriyama to just make something up as he always does. Can't know for sure yet. I really do expect Namekian lore to come into play in this story, just don't see how at the moment.

Namekians being originally from the Demon Realm would really be a cool twist. And it could make sense. We know that Angels cannot revive those killed by Demons but Dragon Balls can. And Piccolo was at first a Demon, and the only one we saw aside of Dabura, so I wonder if only those originally from the Demon Realm can become Demons (ex. Someone like Vegeta could never become one).

The problem I see is: every universe, if they're identical in structure to U7, should have a Demon Realm, just like it has it's own afterlife and kaioshin realm. Unless they reveal that all Demon Realms are connected with each other, that wouldn't explain namekian presence in U6 or other universes if they're native to U7's Demon Realm.

I think a non-explored Dragon Realm, functioning similarly to Zen'Oh's Realm in that it's separate from the other universes, would work best.

Saiyans are in both universes, 6 and 7 are twins so that's fine.

It's wether there are namekians in the others thats interesting.

It's still not 100% what they meant by realm the translation was vague.

I like the demon realm Idea, they left, or a group of them did, because they are mostly good, but it would explain their rare but powerful propensity to be evil.

[emperior]

Namekians being originally from the Demon Realm would really be a cool twist. And it could make sense. We know that Angels cannot revive those killed by Demons but Dragon Balls can. And Piccolo was at first a Demon, and the only one we saw aside of Dabura, so I wonder if only those originally from the Demon Realm can become Demons (ex. Someone like Vegeta could never become one).

The problem I see is: every universe, if they're identical in structure to U7, should have a Demon Realm, just like it has it's own afterlife and kaioshin realm. Unless they reveal that all Demon Realms are connected with each other, that wouldn't explain namekian presence in U6 or other universes if they're native to U7's Demon Realm.

I think a non-explored Dragon Realm, functioning similarly to Zen'Oh's Realm in that it's separate from the other universes, would work best.

Saiyans are in both universes, 6 and 7 are twins so that's fine.

It's wether there are namekians in the others thats interesting.

It's still not 100% what they meant by realm the translation was vague.

I like the demon realm Idea, they left, or a group of them did, because they are mostly good, but it would explain their rare but powerful propensity to be evil.

Yeah Piccolo is the only character in the show who divided into two different beings once his heart got corrupted. It’s safe to assume that he was able to do so because of him being a Namekian, and in fact later on Kami and Piccolo got back to being a single warrior after merging due to the Namekian’s peculiar ability to do so.

My headcanon right now is that the Namekians from U7 and maybe from U6 too got there after the original Namekians from divided into good and bad ones, with the bad ones being Demons who are still living in the original realm. Although I doubt they would introduce a new Namekian foe, if I am right it could be interesting if Piccolo went to the original place the Namekians came from to learn new stuff and potentially assimilate some other Namekian.

[LoganForkHands73]

Yeah Piccolo is the only character in the show who divided into two different beings once his heart got corrupted. It’s safe to assume that he was able to do so because of him being a Namekian, and in fact later on Kami and Piccolo got back to being a single warrior after merging due to the Namekian’s peculiar ability to do so.

My headcanon right now is that the Namekians from U7 and maybe from U6 too got there after the original Namekians from divided into good and bad ones, with the bad ones being Demons who are still living in the original realm. Although I doubt they would introduce a new Namekian foe, if I am right it could be interesting if Piccolo went to the original place the Namekians came from to learn new stuff and potentially assimilate some other Namekian.

Well, there's also Majin Buu but I guess that only bolsters the argument that the Namekians aren't exactly normal. On a tangentially related note, I've been thinking about how ridiculously convoluted Buu's little mitosis split ended up being. Super has only complicated matters further with the retcon that Kid Buu, and by extension Uub, always retained Dai Kaioshin's godly power. I really try not to think about the logic behind Buu and just accept him for the crazy magic blob he is. It's just not worth the effort.

It could be interesting if this reveal sets the Namekians up as like a precursor race, the chosen people of the gods. They would probably be more responsible in the role than the ones currently in charge. They're so pure that evil is practically alien to them.

[GodVegetto91]

So last week I preordered Dragon Ball Super Volume 12 for Kindle.. (That was still possible back then), then a few hours or a day before the official release, I got an email from Amazon saying my order was declined and that they would send me my money back.. (No explanation for WHY though!) And now it’s no longer available on Kindle.. Just those stupid paperbacks again, as always.. So what kind of sick jokes are that from Amazon??? Aren’t they happy to have more customers, such as myself, so they can make more money??? Why suddenly EXCLUDE a Kindle edition for order???! I really don’t understand their mindset..

[Kinokima]

So last week I preordered Dragon Ball Super Volume 12 for Kindle.. (That was still possible back then), then a few hours or a day before the official release, I got an email from Amazon saying my order was declined and that they would send me my money back.. (No explanation for WHY though!) And now it’s no longer available on Kindle.. Just those stupid paperbacks again, as always.. So what kind of sick jokes are that from Amazon??? Aren’t they happy to have more customers, such as myself, so they can make more money??? Why suddenly EXCLUDE a Kindle edition for order???! I really don’t understand their mindset..

I would wait until release date. Sometimes the Kindle version doesn’t go on sale until the last minute like the day before or day of release


It could also be a problem with Viz and Amazon but let’s hope not because I order all my manga for the Kindle too

[GodVegetto91]

So last week I preordered Dragon Ball Super Volume 12 for Kindle.. (That was still possible back then), then a few hours or a day before the official release, I got an email from Amazon saying my order was declined and that they would send me my money back.. (No explanation for WHY though!) And now it’s no longer available on Kindle.. Just those stupid paperbacks again, as always.. So what kind of sick jokes are that from Amazon??? Aren’t they happy to have more customers, such as myself, so they can make more money??? Why suddenly EXCLUDE a Kindle edition for order???! I really don’t understand their mindset..

I would wait until release date. Sometimes the Kindle version doesn’t go on sale until the last minute like the day before or day after release


It could also be a problem with Viz and Amazon but let’s hope not because I order all my manga for the Kindle too

The release date was the 24th of February sweetheart...

[Kinokima]

So last week I preordered Dragon Ball Super Volume 12 for Kindle.. (That was still possible back then), then a few hours or a day before the official release, I got an email from Amazon saying my order was declined and that they would send me my money back.. (No explanation for WHY though!) And now it’s no longer available on Kindle.. Just those stupid paperbacks again, as always.. So what kind of sick jokes are that from Amazon??? Aren’t they happy to have more customers, such as myself, so they can make more money??? Why suddenly EXCLUDE a Kindle edition for order???! I really don’t understand their mindset..

I would wait until release date. Sometimes the Kindle version doesn’t go on sale until the last minute like the day before or day after release


It could also be a problem with Viz and Amazon but let’s hope not because I order all my manga for the Kindle too

The release date was the 24th of February sweetheart...

The release date for Volume 12 is March 2nd. A simple search on Amazon would have showed you that

https://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Supe ... 1974720012