Toriyama has fucked up in recent years aswell. Such as straight up forgetting things from the original manga or the guidebooks, creating the universe 6 tournament arc as spoken about above.^^^ Among many other things. And we know for a fact that right now he does not have any pressure or stress in his life as he did before (he has all the time in the world.) And the fact that he had so much help from editors in the past does not make him look good at all, rather the opposite is the case. Toyotaro is far more bright and has a much better memory and mental clarity than Toriyama. That doesn’t mean that he’s perfect ofcourse. But there really is no legit way to defend the old man after all of this. I get that people like him for being the original dragon ball creator and even bringing this whole franchise into existence! (and for that, I have extreme levels of respect and admiration for him aswell!) but there comes a point where we have to accept the facts. Toriyama can come up with super cool concepts! But he’s just inconsistent, and forgetful about it... And he does not even take his own series too seriously and treats it with the same love and compassion as Toyotaro does (which is one of the WORST qualities an author can have.)BWri wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:01 amWell, it's harder to create something from scratch than it is to do so from something that already exists. So I think, Toyotaro has it easier in many ways than Toriyama-san ever did. Though the pressure that's on his shoulders is quite immense. Toriyama-san needs someone to bounce ideas of off or someone to correct certain aspects of his stories. I think his editors did a lot for Dragon Ball over the years. I think Toriyama-san's writing is more artistic while Toyotaro's is more technical. Them working together is a good combo. By the end of Super, I could see myself agreeing with you, but so far it still feels too early too judge for me.GodVegetto91 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:05 amThis is why I always say that Toyotaro is just simply a better writer than Toriyama.. There really is no polite way to say this.Koitsukai wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:04 pm I think Toriyama is to blame. He was the one who came up with absorbing SSG in base, he made base Goku beat up the much stronger Freeza... and he was the one who wrote on a napkin the U6 tournament with mid-Z tier characters for the following arc.
Toei, blindly follow Toriyama's route, I guess believing he would stick to what he wrote for the movies, while Toyo was smarter and took measures just in case Toriyama had more inconsistencies in his back pocket.
I’m objective.. I always give credit where credit’s due.. (And Toriyama deserves TONS of it!)
But I also give criticism if it’s absolutely necessary.. And in this case, it definitely is! There is a LOT to criticize him and Toei for...
All in all, I hope it’s all for the better! And we get a brilliant product in the end..