"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Kinokima]

Do y'all think we will see Uub at the end of this? Sorry, had to ask. But Granolah seems to be a ticking time bomb.

I don't see a way for his character to come into play here, but I wasn't expecting him to appear during the fight with Moro either, so you never know.

If I recall correctly, there was a statement back when the arc was starting out that claimed that all the Z-Fighters would get involved in the fight. Obviously there's no way for that to happen as things are now, so the story is bound to evolve and twist in like ten different ways before we get to the final fight, and by then it might not be so outlandish anymore. We'll see.

There seemed little way for them all to be involved in the last arc too but then the story moved to Earth which could happen here as well.

[batistabus]

Pretty fun fight.

I'm not sure how much we should look into the SSB globs. Maybe it's just like how Toriyama suddenly started drawing Super Saiyan (1) with lightning (when that was originally a feature of 2/3). It makes Goku's aura more distinct compared to Granolla's, it's something manga fans recognize, and it contrasts Blue with Migatte no Gokui (that has no aura in the manga). Also, it gives Toyotaro a chance to get that element into the anime, which I assume he cares about. I think those reasons are stronger than something like "the power he loses from incomplete Blue is inconsequential".

I found the Granolla clone to be a pretty cool twist. It's something familiar that I don't think we've seen from an enemy in DB(?) One is destroyed, so is the remaining Granolla equally strong? If he was saving energy for Freeza, who he suspects is much stronger than some assassins, this Granolla is likely to be more powerful.

I'm pretty excited for the next chapter. The parallel between Beerus coaching Vegeta and Vegeta "coaching" Granolla is very effective. I have no expectations for how Hakai will help Vegeta, so hopefully it's entertaining.

[DiscountDabi]

Pretty fun fight.

I'm not sure how much we should look into the SSB globs. Maybe it's just like how Toriyama suddenly started drawing Super Saiyan (1) with lightning (when that was originally a feature of 2/3). It makes Goku's aura more distinct compared to Granolla's, it's something manga fans recognize, and it contrasts Blue with Migatte no Gokui (that has no aura in the manga). Also, it gives Toyotaro a chance to get that element into the anime, which I assume he cares about. I think those reasons are stronger than something like "the power he loses from incomplete Blue is inconsequential".

I found the Granolla clone to be a pretty cool twist. It's something familiar that I don't think we've seen from an enemy in DB(?) One is destroyed, so is the remaining Granolla equally strong? If he was saving energy for Freeza, who he suspects is much stronger than some assassins, this Granolla is likely to be more powerful.

I'm pretty excited for the next chapter. The parallel between Beerus coaching Vegeta and Vegeta "coaching" Granolla is very effective. I have no expectations for how Hakai will help Vegeta, so hopefully it's entertaining.

I think that the most likley Application of Hakai will be what Toppo did in the TOP making a Cloak of Hakai energy around him. Since Granloah fights by targetting a targets Vital Area's, If you just make it so any attack gets destroyed before it hits you then it doesn't matter.

[UpFromTheSkies]

So what's everyones prediction for the next chapter? I think Goku will save Granolah from getting destroyed by Vegeta, but before any dialouge can happen between them Granolah learns of Freeza's location and leaves. Then Elec sends Gas to fight Goku and Vegeta since things didn't go as planned.

[PurestEvil]

I am not going to place any bets on Vegeta winning/overtaking Granola. However, I expect Granola to be surprised at Vegeta's hakai power.
As for Goku, I expect him to stay down this chapter.
Also, I anticipate seeing Elec take action/give orders after his set up was exposed.

[Cipher]

So what's everyones prediction for the next chapter? I think Goku will save Granolah from getting destroyed by Vegeta, but before any dialouge can happen between them Granolah learns of Freeza's location and leaves. Then Elec sends Gas to fight Goku and Vegeta since things didn't go as planned.

I genuinely have no idea where next chapter is going, other than obviously getting a fight between Granolah and Vegeta.

It really doesn't seem like we're in for a humbling Vegeta loss, based on the pacing and narrative so far, so more than likely Vegeta actually will have an advantage, and as to how Granolah (and Vegeta even) will respond and where things go from there (the Heetas are all on the planet and know Vegeta and Goku are onto them now too), I genuinely can't even make a guess.

I think my one misgiving might be that the obligatory Vegeta-Granolah fight is telegraphed--and I'm way more interested in what happens afterward than actually seeing them throw down--but that'll read fine in collected format and knowing you have to go through a certain fight is something even the original occasionally buckles under (see early tournament rounds, and those are still all fun arcs).

I think I might have preferred Toyotaro go into the fight just a bit last chapter, as showing what Vegeta's up to probably would have been a better hook than just "Another fight, from square one, next month!", but that's small potatoes.

[Kinokima]

I honestly have no idea what is going to happen next fight. While I see people who honestly think the next chapter is just going to be a beat down of Vegeta that makes no sense to me from a narrative perspective but I also don’t know how Vegeta is going to lose and at this point it really can’t be a straight win can it?

Will Vegeta almost get through to Granolah but then the Heeters put a last minute wrench in that? I would love if it was something like this but this is probably setting my expectations too high

Will Vegeta almost win but then Granolah reveals another surprise move like he did with Goku. This would be repetitive but it wouldn’t be a straight loss for Vegeta either so we could still see what he is now capable of.


Is Vegeta actually trying to destroy Granolah (I doubt it personally) & Goku will wake up intervene to stop him? I don’t know like I said I don’t think this is where they are going with Vegeta.


Will the mystery of Oatmeel finally be revealed?

[Jack Bz]

Here's my best guess as to what will happen next, even though most of it will almost definitely be wrong:

• First off: Vegeta is for sure going to do better than Goku did against Granolah, as he won't be getting tricked like Goku was. I think this will be a quicker fight with none of the transformation cycling like the previous fight, so it might even wrap up this chapter.

• I think it's up in the air who will win, but either way it will result in the victor knowing that they have been tricked by The Heeters (Vegeta already knows this, but if Granolah wins he will find out that he's been tricked before the fight ends.)

• The Heeters will retreat and formulate a new plan since Vegeta/Granolah will be looking to deal with them next.

• The Dragon Balls have either already been collected in the background while this fight happens, or Elec tells Gas to quickly gather them while he stalls with Vegeta/Granolah confronting them

• Gas is forced to wish to be the strongest, with a similar caveat to Granolah's wish except his lifespan isn't naturally as long, so will have less time left. Possibly 1 month or less.

• Gas is resentful that he has been forced to shave the remaining years of his life to correct this bungled plan, so goes rogue from the rest of the Heeters/betrays them (but won't kill them).

• Gas will beat Granolah/Vegeta, but leave them alive as he has no personal grievances with them (if Vegeta is going to job, as he always does, it will be here).

• Knowing he doesn't have long left, Gas goes to find and kill Freeza, which was already the plan before (Elec mentioned previously that Gas is the only one capable of killing Freeza one day). He doesn't really know what else to do with himself.

• Granolah will follow so that he can get his revenge before Gas kills Freeza. The story will roughly turn into Goku/Vegeta vs Gas vs Granolah. Goku and Vegeta will ultimately win in some manner based on their desire for self improvement.

• There will be a surprise in store once Freeza is finally in the picture. I have already theorised previously that Freeza has already been killed by something else, as even though he is mentioned multiple times a chapter: he hasn't been seen at all, Elec doesn't know where he is, Granolah can't sense him even with his new powers.

I'll be happy if even one or 2 of these is true

Things I am not sure about:

• What will oatmeel have to do with anything?

• What are Gas's bad memories about planet Cereal and how will they play into the story? How has he "changed a lot since last time"?

[TheSaiyanGod]

The fight between Vegeta and Granolah is a situation where it doesn't seem to make much sense to be a straight loss for Vegeta considering the circumstances, but it's also too early for a clean win, so it's likely that the Heeters will interfere in some way. I'm mostly expecting for

- More backstory for the Cerealians (I thought that would happen in this chapter so it was kind of a disappointment, since Vegeta only revealed what we already knew, despite having served him to understand the Heeters' scheme). The interactions between the two can be a good opportunity to throw some information about it.

- Hakai and how exactly Vegeta will fight using this. The direction in which Goku was going during training was clear and since they arrived at Cereal, Ultra Instinct has been emphasized, but whatever the results of Vegeta's training have been, it is being kept a mystery (on purpose or not), we just saw some montages of him using the basic application of the technique. He was also saved to face the real Granolah so it also looks like a good opportunity to show what he has now, especially since he's already seen how Granolah fights.

- What exactly are the Heeters planning. Oil says there is no turning back for Goku and Vegeta now, Gas has a past with Granolah's home planet and he is heading to Cereal with Elec. Maki is also gathering the Dragon Balls. I'm not sure what the wish will be but it's likely to involve Gas, and as a way to make him an adversary strong enough to face Granolah and Goku/Vegeta.

If I recall correctly, there was a statement back when the arc was starting out that claimed that all the Z-Fighters would get involved in the fight. Obviously there's no way for that to happen as things are now, so the story is bound to evolve and twist in like ten different ways before we get to the final fight, and by then it might not be so outlandish anymore. We'll see.

It was in the preview of chapter 69

Spoiler:

Although this is just promotional stuff, it does imply the Z fighters' participation and Earth's involvement in some way. Considering that the Heeters already know the planet and have used it in previous chapters, it's a possibility.

[DiscountDabi]

Huh...

A Thought Occurs. If Granloah has the technique's of all the strongest people and best warriors...Does he know how to use the Devilmite Beam?

[BWri]

Huh...

A Thought Occurs. If Granloah has the technique's of all the strongest people and best warriors...Does he know how to use the Devilmite Beam?

He should, otherwise where do we draw the line? What's on and off the table here?

[DiscountDabi]

Huh...

A Thought Occurs. If Granloah has the technique's of all the strongest people and best warriors...Does he know how to use the Devilmite Beam?

He should, otherwise where do we draw the line? What's on and off the table here?

Given it works for Moro even though he wasn't alive at the time of the wish, then that means that any character who has set foot in Universe 7 in the Manga's Continuity so long as they are not a God their technique's can be used by Granolah. I'd hate for this to be some No Limits Fallacy so hopefully Toyo puts some limits on this but who knows.

I think its fair to say that he can only use techniques that Mortals know so he can't do anything like make blocks of Katchin like Zamasu or the other Kai's. However he probrably can heal because Dende could and so could Trunks and he was in Universe 7 multiple times.

And yes. He can probrably use the most powerfull attack in the series..."CLOTHES BEAM"

[Jack Bz]

If Granolah doesn't turn Vegeta into candy in the next chapter then I'm starting a riot

[ZodiacBeast]

If Granolah doesn't turn Vegeta into candy in the next chapter then I'm starting a riot

Vegeta gains a Hakai aura that keeps Granollah from touching him, but gets turned into candy anyways.
To be honest, I wouldn't even be mad.

[Yuji]

For the sake of pacing, I hope the Vegeta fight begins and concludes next chapter with the hook leading into something else. It would be unbearable to go through the whole chapter just to be treated with "Now they're both going all out!" at the final page.

[kemuri07]

So what's everyones prediction for the next chapter? I think Goku will save Granolah from getting destroyed by Vegeta, but before any dialouge can happen between them Granolah learns of Freeza's location and leaves. Then Elec sends Gas to fight Goku and Vegeta since things didn't go as planned.

Like many, I don't get the impression that Vegeta is actually planning on killing Granolah. Whether or not he's taunting him, or this is some kind of tactic remains to be seen. I'd argue it's a way to get Granolah to go all out and get into a blind rage which might make it easier to take him down.

I do think there' s a miss opportunity here for some interesting character development; I would have like to see some schism between Vegeta and Goku based on there training styles with Whis and Beerus. Namely, that Vegeta becomes a bit too comfortable as a "God of Destruction," gets over any and all guilt of his past, and sees his ability to destroy as something beyond that of morality; something that unnerves Goku. Unfortunately it doesn't see like Super wants to explore any of this, so it's simply more power ups and transformations. If there's anything that's keeping me interested, it's seeing whether or not there's a twist here as well as the fight choreography being consistently fantastic.

Concerning Freeza: He's been mentioned constantly during this arc,and yet has not made a single appearance. Considering where he was where we left him, there's no way he'd be a threat to any of the characters here at this point. So he has to be making moves behind the scene. I personally think that the end game for Super should be that Freeza once again takes his place as Goku's most dangerous foe, so maybe this is where we're headed.

[TobyS]

For the sake of pacing, I hope the Vegeta fight begins and concludes next chapter with the hook leading into something else. It would be unbearable to go through the whole chapter just to be treated with "Now they're both going all out!" at the final page.

Yeah it will be fine on re-reads but annoying as hell for a monthly book.

[TheSaiyanGod]

I do think there' s a miss opportunity here for some interesting character development; I would have like to see some schism between Vegeta and Goku based on there training styles with Whis and Beerus. Namely, that Vegeta becomes a bit too comfortable as a "God of Destruction," gets over any and all guilt of his past, and sees his ability to destroy as something beyond that of morality; something that unnerves Goku. Unfortunately it doesn't see like Super wants to explore any of this, so it's simply more power ups and transformations. If there's anything that's keeping me interested, it's seeing whether or not there's a twist here as well as the fight choreography being consistently fantastic.

One of my earlier predictions looked like this. Contrary to what most people seem to believe, instead of Vegeta just purposely insulting Granolah, he's being serious. Training with Beerus, rather than just allowing Vegeta to let go of his past, also made him more like Beerus himself as a less empathetic being compared to what he was before (with a mindset more like his own). And somehow Goku would call out Vegeta for these attitudes later.

It would be an interesting development, but it really feels like the complete opposite of what Vegeta showed in the Moro arc, so I'm not sure to what extent this change would be well-received overall.

[Koitsukai]

I do think there' s a miss opportunity here for some interesting character development; I would have like to see some schism between Vegeta and Goku based on there training styles with Whis and Beerus. Namely, that Vegeta becomes a bit too comfortable as a "God of Destruction," gets over any and all guilt of his past, and sees his ability to destroy as something beyond that of morality; something that unnerves Goku. Unfortunately it doesn't see like Super wants to explore any of this, so it's simply more power ups and transformations. If there's anything that's keeping me interested, it's seeing whether or not there's a twist here as well as the fight choreography being consistently fantastic.

One of my earlier predictions looked like this. Contrary to what most people seem to believe, instead of Vegeta just purposely insulting Granolah, he's being serious. Training with Beerus, rather than just allowing Vegeta to let go of his past, also made him more like Beerus himself as a less empathetic being compared to what he was before (with a mindset more like his own). And somehow Goku would cal out Vegeta for these attitudes later.

It would be an interesting development, but it really feels like the complete opposite of what Vegeta showed in the Moro arc, so I'm not sure to what extent this change would be well-received overall.

Well, he is being called to do something completely opposite to his most recent development. So, that route has already been set, we have to see just how far along is he willing to go.

[Kinokima]

I do think there' s a miss opportunity here for some interesting character development; I would have like to see some schism between Vegeta and Goku based on there training styles with Whis and Beerus. Namely, that Vegeta becomes a bit too comfortable as a "God of Destruction," gets over any and all guilt of his past, and sees his ability to destroy as something beyond that of morality; something that unnerves Goku. Unfortunately it doesn't see like Super wants to explore any of this, so it's simply more power ups and transformations. If there's anything that's keeping me interested, it's seeing whether or not there's a twist here as well as the fight choreography being consistently fantastic.

One of my earlier predictions looked like this. Contrary to what most people seem to believe, instead of Vegeta just purposely insulting Granolah, he's being serious. Training with Beerus, rather than just allowing Vegeta to let go of his past, also made him more like Beerus himself as a less empathetic being compared to what he was before (with a mindset more like his own). And somehow Goku would call out Vegeta for these attitudes later.

It would be an interesting development, but it really feels like the complete opposite of what Vegeta showed in the Moro arc, so I'm not sure to what extent this change would be well-received overall.

I personally would hate this type of development. So I hope they don’t go that route

I’d rather see a Vegeta who has grown as person help Granolah out. Than have Vegeta be the one going down the wrong path once again. We’ve been there done that already.

Also why should Whis’s path be inherently better than Beerus’? I don’t really like that either because again it means Goku is on the right path but Vegeta is not. I think “destruction” to us sounds negative but instead I would like fo see the series explore how it can lead to something positive instead.