Is Bulma immoral

[MyVisionity]

She invited him into her house that same day and flirted with him. She just learned he wiped out a village. It's clear cut that she was acting on her attraction. That's not the past.

Inviting someone to live with them and flirting does not automatically equal hooking up or a relationship. And it wasn't about any serious attraction. Bulma will flirt with anyone and the Namekians were all going to stay at Capsule Corp as well.

Him wiping out the village was over and done with. It's not out of the question to move on.

Bulma’s shown doing a number of questionable things to get what she wants at the start of the series, including being willing to bribe a younger kid with her panties.

Even if Vegeta wasn’t actively murdering innocent people anymore, there’s never any indication that he feels the least bit remorseful over his actions. He’s also clearly shown to not give a crap about Bulma or Trunks initially. Trunks was conceived because of a one night stand, not because Bulma and Vegeta had some kind of budding romance as part of his ongoing redemption arc. The fact that the Cell saga tries to paint Bulma as the voice of reason among the Dragon Team only serves to make her getting in bed with Vegeta all the more jarring.

They were both juveniles at the time, so the panties stuff isn't *too* out of line, at least on the basis of age.

A one night stand is all the more reason why it's not such a big deal. Who cares about remorseful feelings if you're just hooking up?

[BWri]

Inviting someone to live with them and flirting does not automatically equal hooking up or a relationship.

Yes, but the intention is clearly there. She is clearly attracted to him, which the immediate flirting (about sex, mind you) confirms. If not, as someone who was just outed as a killer -- someone she knows is associated with the deaths of her friends (even if not directly), why else would she invite someone like that to stay at her place?

And it wasn't about any serious attraction. Bulma will flirt with anyone

Not true. She only flirts when she wants something. Vegeta, at the time, had one thing that interested her.

and the Namekians were all going to stay at Capsule Corp as well.

Yeah, and they also hadn't just been outed as vicious killers who slaughtered a village only a few days prior. With no remorse I might add.

Him wiping out the village was over and done with. It's not out of the question to move on.

Tell that to his victims. Do I have to invoke the cliche and overused Hitler card? Moving on is fine, but 2 days after his slaughter?

To be honest, I think we share the same opinion overall. I don't necessarily think it's immoral that she sleeps with an unrepentant killer, I just think its amoral and selfish, but it is closer to immoral than moral on the sliding scale. And I overall just don't think it casts her in a favorable light.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Come to think of it, is it even established that the Dragon World has an energy crisis, or are we just assuming it does since we have one in real life? For all we know, electricity could already be perfectly clean and affordable in their world.

[WittyUsername]

They were both juveniles at the time, so the panties stuff isn't *too* out of line, at least on the basis of age.

A one night stand is all the more reason why it's not such a big deal. Who cares about remorseful feelings if you're just hooking up?

Bulma seemed to consider Goku to be a little kid, so regardless of the fact that she wasn’t an adult yet, that’s still a questionable thing to do.

Anyway, the fact that Bulma was perfectly fine having a one night stand with a remorseless killer who was responsible for her ex-boyfriend’s death doesn’t paint her in the best light, especially when she heard him openly brag about how the village of Namekians he slaughtered didn’t get brought back to life. Toriyama seemed to try and mitigate that by having a throwaway line about Yamcha being unfaithful, thus giving Bulma a reason to dump him, but it doesn’t help much. At best, it makes her seem incredibly shallow.

[Cipher]

Are there major characters in the series besides Gohan and Trunks* who aren’t...?

*also includes other Trunkses like Shin and Merus

[precita]

Vegeta never killed Yamcha and the others, Saibamen and Nappa did. He's not held responsible and that wouldn't hold up in a court of law. He was just an onlooker.

[jjgp1112]

There's an abundant amount of blatant bad faith logic flying around in this thread

[precita]

The worst thing Bulma did was being a horny 16-17 year old at the beginning of the series, and most of it is likely Toriyama not knowing how real life teenagers act and probably based it on how he thought American women in the 80's behaved based on what he saw in teen movies.

[Jack Bz]

Vegeta never killed Yamcha and the others, Saibamen and Nappa did. He's not held responsible and that wouldn't hold up in a court of law. He was just an onlooker.

Is this a troll or do you legit think Vegeta has no culpability for the deaths of Yamcha/Tien/Chiaotzu and that ordering someone to kill people is legal.

[precita]

Vegeta did nothing but sit on that rock and smirk. He had no role in the deaths of Piccolo and the humans. He was a lookie-loo.

Sure if Piccolo and the others managed to defeat Nappa before Goku arrived and Vegeta started killing them off one by one, you'd have a point, but that's not how the series played out. It's like saying 17 and 18 killed Goku just because Perfect Cell self-destructed after he absorbed them.

[Jack Bz]

Vegeta did nothing but sit on that rock and smirk. He had no role in the deaths of Piccolo and the humans. He was a lookie-loo.

Sure if Piccolo and the others managed to defeat Nappa before Goku arrived and Vegeta started killing them off one by one, you'd have a point, but that's not how the series played out. It's like saying 17 and 18 killed Goku just because Perfect Cell self-destructed after he absorbed them.

That comparison is so wildly off base. 17 and 18 were passive prisoners in a monster's body. They had no control. Vegeta was the ring leader of the Saiyan invasion. He told Nappa to plant the saibamen in order to kill the earthlings. It's like saying a mafia boss who orders people to kill isn't committing any crimes or doing anything wrong.

You'd have a better argument saying that Nappa and the Saibamen did nothing wrong because Vegeta would demonstrably have killed them if they didn't obey, and lo and behold he ends up killing both when they fail. Forcing someone to shoot the gun isn't more moral than shooting the gun yourself.

[WittyUsername]

If Vegeta can’t be held responsible for the deaths of Yamcha, Chaozu, Tenshinhan, and Piccolo, then I guess Charles Manson wasn’t responsible for the murders his followers committed.

[precita]

The narrative is, "Bulma married a man who killed her ex-boyfriend," which is not what happened in the anime. Vegeta didn't lay a hand on Yamcha in the Saiyan arc.

[Jack Bz]

The narrative is, "Bulma married a man who killed her ex-boyfriend," which is not what happened in the anime. Vegeta didn't lay a hand on Yamcha in the Saiyan arc.

He didn't kill him with his own hands, but he had him intentionally killed by an alien monster he brought along. That's a microscopic difference that doesn't matter to the subject of Bulma's morals.

[WittyUsername]

The narrative is, "Bulma married a man who killed her ex-boyfriend," which is not what happened in the anime. Vegeta didn't lay a hand on Yamcha in the Saiyan arc.

I never said Vegeta killed Yamcha with his own hands (or Ki, I suppose). I said that Vegeta was responsible for his death.

[jjgp1112]

The narrative is, "Bulma married a man who killed her ex-boyfriend," which is not what happened in the anime. Vegeta didn't lay a hand on Yamcha in the Saiyan arc.

Osama Bin Laden didn't fly those planes!

[Cipher]

It’s absolutely horrible that Bulma left her upstanding murderous bandit for another one, quite frankly.

[omaro34]

If I was Yamcha I would have never spoken to Bulma again, especially since she married the guy who was indirectly responsible for his death.

It’s a miracle they even have a friendly relationship.

[omaro34]

It’s absolutely horrible that Bulma left her upstanding murderous bandit for another one, quite frankly.

Vegeta was far worse. Killed civilizations without a second thought

[precita]

I guess Piccolo is guilty for killing Krillin, Chioatzu and Roshi because King Piccolo or his henchmen Tambourine killed them and Piccolo has his fathers memories. But nobody considers Piccolo their killer, not even Krillin or Roshi themselves think that.

Bejita-sama did nothing wrong.