I understand your concerns about the narrative progress with Vegetas character that's been building since The Moro arc(maybe earlier)LoganForkHands73 wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:27 pm I can see Ultra Instinct Granola happening, though I hope it doesn't for the reasons Charlie listed. It would pretty much invalidate the entire climax of the Moro arc and everything established about Ultra Instinct, namely that it definitely isn't something any scrub can use willy-nilly. Now Granola has some understanding of how it works from Goku, perhaps he will be able to adapt himself to it, which may be somewhat more acceptable. I guess one thing worth adding is that Granola, so far, seems only able to use similar techniques to Hakai, Moro's magma eruption, etc, but it's left ambiguous whether they truly are the real deal. Though if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
Anyway, it's oddly cathartic to see Vegeta absolutely curbstomp Granola. Granola lost some sympathy points when he made it clear he was aiming for complete Saiyan genocide with no room for reasoning. Even though Vegeta is the invading party in this situation and a battle-crazed asshole, the choreography sells the current power differential wonderfully, as Cipher eloquently put it. I guess it's nice to see the protagonists take an enemy seriously from the start. Although the arc is obviously far from done, it would be great to see a decisive victory rather than a predictable "snatch victory from the jaws of defeat" twisteroony, another Moro specialty.
By all appearances, it seems there's little doubt that Vegeta has surpassed Goku and I'm here for it. His decision to walk a different path actually paid off. I'd wager that Hakaishin power is easier to master than Ultra Instinct, but Ultra Instinct has a much higher ceiling.
Vegeta has reached a special kind of Buddhist-Daoist state of being, focused solely on the thought of destruction.
While it's important for Vegeta to get his moment(just like against Moro).
The most important driving force this arc, for tension especially, is the Cerealiean Dragon Balls.
It's important for tension, that they remain the biggest threat, especially when the Heeters or Frieza get involved with them.
Goku or Vegeta defeating Granolah (and basically the wish) this early would undermine the upcoming twist and setup for the Heeters.
It's also important for the wish to give you things to contend with Gokus and Vegeta power(which is why I think Granolah got those god techniques).
It's poetic really, the only reason Granolah achieved this level of power is because of how strong Goku and Vegeta are. Their lust for power and being the best, raised the mortal bar for the kind of power you can get from a wish lol
So when Toronbo made the wish, he was referencing the strongest mortals (Goku, Vegeta, Moro(or 73) and possibly Merus).
The wish giving you the god Techniques would be great, because then you get to see how the Heeters use that kind of power or even better....Frieza!
Imagine Ultra Instinct and Hakai Frieza!?
We could get the whole "Frieza vs the Gods" that was alluded in the anime T.O.P
Frieza knows he can't beat Goku and Vegeta by himself and especially Ultra Instinct and Hakai.
He also knows they have Beerus and Whis, who play favorites with them and Earth.
It's a great way for Frieza to get a massive power boast, and to resolve his fate before End of Z.
Does he get Hakied and removed permanently, or does he become a good guy?
