"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

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Post by Gt91 » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:08 pm

theherodjl wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:25 am So what are the predictions for the next chapter? IIRC, there is still a senzu left so will Vegeta take it and try another whack at Granolah? Or will Goku go for a round 2 with UI? Maybe Granolah will figure out UI after Goku blabs about how to obtain it in dire circumstances? What about Oatmeel? Is it actually a double agent for the Heaters?
What might we be looking at?
Vegeta takes a senzu > he uses forced spirit fission > he becomes OP (healing/draining with damages) > he wins.







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Gt91 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:08 pm
theherodjl wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:25 am So what are the predictions for the next chapter? IIRC, there is still a senzu left so will Vegeta take it and try another whack at Granolah? Or will Goku go for a round 2 with UI? Maybe Granolah will figure out UI after Goku blabs about how to obtain it in dire circumstances? What about Oatmeel? Is it actually a double agent for the Heaters?
What might we be looking at?
Vegeta takes a senzu > he uses forced spirit fission > he becomes OP (healing/draining with damages) > he wins.

...Right?
Hopefully, But Vegeta might be too prideful to take the Senzu bean. It might be more raw to see Vegeta keep fighting Granolah without the bean and still keep up. Rememeber Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga was resilient. It took a Kaioken x4 Kamehameha, a Spirit Bomb, and a Oozaru Gohan to put him down for good. Mans could take a beating, I hope we see that here.

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Post by Jack Bz » Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:18 pm

I think what Elec said will happen will happen. The Heeters have spoken to Zuno, so they probably already know how the fight will go. Goku, Vegeta, and Granolah are going to fight to a stalemate, and Goku and Vegeta will probably split the senzu before then (so both will be fighting Granolah together, but not at their max capacities). The Heeters will get their wish from the Dragon Balls.

I feel like Oatmeel is going to be something they didn't bother asking Zuno about, so maybe it will be the unpredictable element and interrupt the Heeters plans to kill Granolah and rescue him (and maybe even rescue Goku and Vegeta too).

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Post by Trouser » Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:25 pm

Predictions? Vegeta is beaten again and Saiyans are escaping/are rescued from the battlefield. The Bojack Gang rip offs are making something shady that will end with cliffhanger.
Oatmeel probably is not JUST an AI as Trolotarou said and he'll have bigger role in the story than being "talking scouter".
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Post by Magnificent Ponta » Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:15 pm

A quick translation question, for anyone who may be inclined to answer it: In Chapter 69, Beerus says to Vegeta, "Your own crimes aside, you're feeling guilty for the sins of all Saiyans. That's awfully self-centred of you, mortal."

Is the wording used for 'self-centred' here similar to/the same as in Wagamama no Goku'i (and so a possible instance of a kind of pun foreshadowing what we've seen from Vegeta in the last Chapter and a bit), or is this a completely different phrasing that just happens to be translated this way?

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Post by Cipher » Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:29 pm

Magnificent Ponta wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:15 pm A quick translation question, for anyone who may be inclined to answer it: In Chapter 69, Beerus says to Vegeta, "Your own crimes aside, you're feeling guilty for the sins of all Saiyans. That's awfully self-centred of you, mortal."

Is the wording used for 'self-centred' here similar to/the same as in Wagamama no Goku'i (and so a possible instance of a kind of pun foreshadowing what we've seen from Vegeta in the last Chapter and a bit), or is this a completely different phrasing that just happens to be translated this way?

Thanks for any answers!
「思い上がるにもいいかげんにしろ」(Omoiagaru ni mo iikagen ni shiro)

Basically “Don’t be so full of yourself.”

“Why don’t you come back down to Earth, mortal?” That kind of vibe. No verbiage connections to UE. What Beerus is prodding at (Vegeta essentially overstepping in how much he feels he can bear blame for as one mortal) wouldn’t really fit with usage of “wagamama” in Japanese anyway—rather than thinking too highly of yourself, that’s about just being demanding and burdensome on others in your requests for what you want.

(Which is part of why I’ve argued for “Ego” in the—imo very good—English translation choice pointing to “ego” as in “vs. id” rather than as in “boastful,” though there’s some serendipitous overlap.)

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Post by Magnificent Ponta » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:11 pm

Cipher wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:29 pm「思い上がるにもいいかげんにしろ」(Omoiagaru ni mo iikagen ni shiro)

Basically “Don’t be so full of yourself.”

“Why don’t you come back down to Earth, mortal?” That kind of vibe. No verbiage connections to UE. What Beerus is prodding at (Vegeta essentially overstepping in how much he feels he can bear blame for as one mortal) wouldn’t really fit with usage of “wagamama” in Japanese anyway—rather than thinking too highly of yourself, that’s about just being demanding and burdensome on others in your requests for what you want.
Ah, okay. Thanks very much for taking the time!

Basically, I'd been wondering whether we'd received an early instance of 'wagamama' here because it would've shown Beerus expressing a quality that's limiting Vegeta right now (that is, being unreasonably demanding of himself, as relates to his own standards and goals - is that even a thing that can be expressed with 'wagamama', or would a different expression be used for something like that?), while at the same time paradoxically providing an opening for him to awaken the Divine Power that would be his new way forward later in the arc.

Ah, well. Not to be, I guess. Anyhow, thanks again!

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Post by UpFromTheSkies » Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:22 pm

I predict Vegeta will awaken his mastered ultra ego form soon, him and Granolah will beat each other to a stand still, then the Heeters make a wish that makes them the most powerful and Granolah finally realizes Vegeta was right. Vegeta then splits his senzu with Granolah and they team up against the Heeters.

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Post by The Accountant » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:08 am

I wonder what part Goku will play in all of this. Cause Toyotaro made an effort to show that he is still in the fray.

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Post by UpFromTheSkies » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:27 am

The Accountant wrote: Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:08 am I wonder what part Goku will play in all of this. Cause Toyotaro made an effort to show that he is still in the fray.
He'll probably heal up just in time to team up with Granolah and Vegeta against the Heeters.

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Post by MCDaveG » Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:48 am

theherodjl wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:25 am So what are the predictions for the next chapter? IIRC, there is still a senzu left so will Vegeta take it and try another whack at Granolah? Or will Goku go for a round 2 with UI? Maybe Granolah will figure out UI after Goku blabs about how to obtain it in dire circumstances? What about Oatmeel? Is it actually a double agent for the Heaters?
What might we be looking at?
Oatmeal is just AI in his goggle. Confirmed in interview… no surprises or WTF twists in this arc as well I guess.
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Post by LightBing » Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:05 pm

Granolah doesn't seem like a programmer or a scientist. Who could have made him an AI? I assume it was made for him since it provides assist snipping.

It might throw a wrench in the arc.

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Post by caire » Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:09 pm

LightBing wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:05 pm Granolah doesn't seem like a programmer or a scientist. Who could have made him an AI? I assume it was made for him since it provides assist snipping.

It might throw a wrench in the arc.
Maybe the Heeters provided it? They seem to be good with tech and intel, and probably have scientists of some sort working for them developing stuff like that. Or, perhaps (although much less likely) Oatmeel-type scouters are being developed directly by the Freeza force, and distributed to their various soldiers and business partners when needed? It would be quite an ironic twist if one of Granolah's closest allies turned out to be linked to his worst enemy. I just have a feeling that there's more than one "Oatmeel" out there.

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Post by LightBing » Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:30 pm

caire wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:09 pm
LightBing wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:05 pm Granolah doesn't seem like a programmer or a scientist. Who could have made him an AI? I assume it was made for him since it provides assist snipping.

It might throw a wrench in the arc.
Maybe the Heeters provided it? They seem to be good with tech and intel, and probably have scientists of some sort working for them developing stuff like that. Or, perhaps (although much less likely) Oatmeel-type scouters are being developed directly by the Freeza force, and distributed to their various soldiers and business partners when needed? It would be quite an ironic twist if one of Granolah's closest allies turned out to be linked to his worst enemy. I just have a feeling that there's more than one "Oatmeel" out there.
The Heeters is the most likely scenario. Granolah doesn't have any other connections that would make sense.
Unless we get a surprise.

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Post by Berserker1921 » Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:55 pm

I have a theory. Instead of the Heeta’s wishing for more power or whatever. Something Elec seemingly cares very little about. He claimed that knowledge is the most powerful weapon in the universe. Perhaps, after learning from Zuno. What if the wish is to make all warriors weaker than Gas?

Probably won’t go that way. But it would be interesting. Instead of asking for more power. They instead wished for all those who can oppose them be weaker than their strongest warrior.

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Post by Nistarkail » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:04 am

From this Leak, it seems that:

“All of them are giving their all in the fight against Granolah! What will happen to Goku and Vegeta?!"

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https://twitter.com/DbsHype1/status/1433282160694157312

Now I have a doubt about this "All". Maybe the Heaters together are facing Granolah in order to trap him somehow or probably he went already to Earth and faces all the Z-Warriors. Now I'm really curious because this spoiler raises a lot of curiosity.

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Post by caire » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:17 am

Nistarkail wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:04 am From this Leak, it seems that:

“All of them are giving their all in the fight against Granolah! What will happen to Goku and Vegeta?!"

Source:
https://twitter.com/DbsHype1/status/1433282160694157312

Now I have a doubt about this "All". Maybe the Heaters together are facing Granolah in order to trap him somehow or probably he went already to Earth and faces all the Z-Warriors. Now I'm really curious because this spoiler raises a lot of curiosity.
Maybe so? I'm pretty curious as to how/if Elec fights - he strikes me as the type who doesn't want to get his hands dirty, but would be pretty formidable and calculating in an actual fight if needed. I'm not reading too much into that line though, since afaik it's just the usual generic promotional tagline.

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Post by Nistarkail » Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:11 pm

caire wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:17 am
Nistarkail wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:04 am From this Leak, it seems that:

“All of them are giving their all in the fight against Granolah! What will happen to Goku and Vegeta?!"

Source:
https://twitter.com/DbsHype1/status/1433282160694157312

Now I have a doubt about this "All". Maybe the Heaters together are facing Granolah in order to trap him somehow or probably he went already to Earth and faces all the Z-Warriors. Now I'm really curious because this spoiler raises a lot of curiosity.
Maybe so? I'm pretty curious as to how/if Elec fights - he strikes me as the type who doesn't want to get his hands dirty, but would be pretty formidable and calculating in an actual fight if needed. I'm not reading too much into that line though, since afaik it's just the usual generic promotional tagline.
Well, we will see Elec fighting one day. And yes, I agree with you because it will be ridiculous if he will be the weakest among the quartet.

From what I saw, I think that:

- Oil is slightly stronger that earthlings but not as Piccolo.
- Maki is stronger than Oil but not than Piccolo, again.
- Gas is strong at least as Gohan, and I say this because it seems that his joy for fights and tremendous speed are the perfect data to make a preview of an amazing fighter.
- Elec: well, I don't know how he is strong, but maybe he's the second best among the other siblings.

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Post by UpFromTheSkies » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:11 pm

If the heeters use knowledge as their weapon, they'll probably ask who is most important to each person and take them hostage, so maybe they'll capture Monaito, Chichi and Bulma, or Bra and Pan. I don't know what they would do from there, but it's a possibility.

They could also capture Kaioshin and have Beerus at their command.

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Post by omaro34 » Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:14 pm

DiscountDabi wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:17 pm
TKA wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:10 pm
omaro34 wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:13 am There's 12 universes out there, and yet the story still keeps revolving around the 7th with a random alien wishing to make himself the strongest.
I always see people bringing this up.

There's functionally no difference between going to another universe and the characters going to any new place in universe 7. If it's not the story the creators want to tell, why force it?
Exactly this. Why do you think the flawed writing is going to become better by going to another Universe? What motivation would they have to just up and leave their family in another universe and go venture off into another one just for shits and giggles?
Not for shits and giggles, the concept of a multiverse war would be very interesting, with a plot that justifies it.
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