Dragon Ball Z, Vol. 1 (VIZBIG Edition) Information + Vol 2.

shotkeeper · Post by **shotkeeper** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:40 am

So is the ' Rock on' supposed to be the original? Or is that fan stuff lol.

Death-T · Post by **Death-T** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:00 pm

In the original and the unedited English version, she's flipping Pilaf off.

Brad Redfield · Post by **Brad Redfield** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:16 pm

shotkeeper wrote:So is the ' Rock on' supposed to be the original? Or is that fan stuff lol.

Its a joke.

Anyways, I got DBZ Vol. 1. (DB Vol. 1 was sold out.) Scanning through it, cursing seems to be gone (which makes it consistent with the later volumes now.) but hell is still in. Piccolo's attack is still,"Light of Death" and thats about all I've seen so far.

The spine image has Goku standing from the panel where him and Piccolo just land and face Raditz. The back has Raditz with his armor colored yellow.

And yes, its very stupid that the Goku VS Vegeta chapter isn't in color. Poor choice on Viz's part.

Artificial Human #887 · Post by **Artificial Human #887** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:34 pm

For those holding out on the VIZBIG editions for the hardcovers or the box sets... I have information on those releases. Diamond Previews is soliciting the Naruto, Death Note and Yu-Gi-Oh! Ones this month, and they all feature this description:

"Color art available for the first time! Premium packaging: larger than trim size and hardcover with dust jacket. New cover art on the dust jacket and the original cover art on the hardcover. Printed endpapers and higher quality paper stock for better image quality."

The box sets offer no additional information, and therefore I think they're really nothing more than just the tankobans as previously printed.

I have no idea if this will really pertain to the Dragon Ball ones, but since the solicits for the other SJ books are identical, I figure this is what we have to expect.

Previews also has an SJ ad soliciting DBZ VizBig vol 2, with this note on the side:

"A Dragon Ball Z and 17 feature films have been produced in Japan"

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:37 pm

Artificial Human #887 wrote: "A Dragon Ball Z and 17 feature films have been produced in Japan"

It's almost engrish.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:38 pm

Strange... anyway! If these are the old tankobons, maybe they'll be the close-to unedited ones! One can hope, at least...

Brad Redfield · Post by **Brad Redfield** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:55 pm

...damn it.

The question I want to ask is: are these going to last more than one volume? I've heard about hardcover editions of some other manga but were only done for the first volume.

I'll have to pick up that Death Note boxset.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:09 pm

"Color art available for the first time! Premium packaging: larger than trim size and hardcover with dust jacket. New cover art on the dust jacket and the original cover art on the hardcover. Printed endpapers and higher quality paper stock for better image quality."

Man, nothing about it being un-edited. Gah!

MagicBox · Post by **MagicBox** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:28 pm

Color pages, hardcovers, better paper quality...

Man, and I just bought the frikkin VizBigs.

I presume these will be just as edited as the new VizBig releases, so unless these new hardcover versions feature all of the intended color pages, I see no reason to rebuy the manga.

Might pick up the Yu-Gi-Oh hardcovers sometime, though. Well, only the first few volumes, back when the Shadow Games were actually cool and not centered around the dumb card game.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:12 pm

Good news about the Hardcovers. Provided, like Brad mentioned, that they're ongoing releases, they sound better than the VizBigs.

I'll see how those turn out, but in the meantime, I'll still probably pick up the First VizBig DragonBall.

Deep Thought · Post by **Deep Thought** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:49 pm

Wait a second, the VIZBIGs are rated Teen? Oh, that's just great.

After reading Naruto, which is released by Viz and rated Teen, I have to say that the shit that Viz kept in Naruto is far worse then any "nipples", "guns" or "swears" in Dragon Ball Z. How violent are they? You make the call!

Keep in mind that it's totally possible to do that to someone in real life.

I much rather say "fuck" in front of my 9 year old, or let him see nipples on TV or, like, 2 seconds then let him see a gruesome act done on TV that wouldn't end for a while. Admittedly, I wouldn't want him/her to see nipples on TV, but let's ask a question:

Which is going to affect your 6 to 11 year old in a more negative way; nipples or gruesome acts of violence? The absolute worst thing that can happen if a kid sees nipples, and this is almost exaggerated, is that they'll become a whore/pimp. The absolute worst that can happen if a kid sees a gruesome at of violence is that they'll become a mass murder. While I wouldn't want my child to become a whore, I certainly wouldn't want him to become a murderer.

It's not like DB is even that bad, either. The worst things that they say is "Ass", the puff-puff is probably the worst sexually related thing and that wasn't cut, and the violence isn't anywhere near as bad as those scans I showed you.

Naruto is just as much intended for kids as Dragon Ball is, too.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:57 pm

Man, I remember when VIZ used honorifics.

Brad Redfield · Post by **Brad Redfield** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:48 am

Deep Thought wrote:Wait a second, the VIZBIGs are rated Teen? Oh, that's just great.

Actually DBZ is, yet again, rated "A for All Ages". Certainly conflicts with the earlier ratings we saw.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:54 am

bkev wrote:Man, I remember when VIZ used honorifics.

None of the scans he posted were from Viz releases, they are just scanlations done by fans, so they aren't really indicative of anything.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:18 am

Captain Awesome wrote:
bkev wrote:Man, I remember when VIZ used honorifics.
None of the scans he posted were from Viz releases, they are just scanlations done by fans, so they aren't really indicative of anything.

Ack, missed that disclaimer at the bottom. And that last part looked very similar if not exactly alike to the real translation, so...

Anyway, they did call Kami Kami-sama, so honorifics were once a part of DBZ. I can scan later to prove it.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:24 am

Yep, Haku's death was much more violent in the manga. As for the name-suffixes, with many series, keeping isn't as big a deal. They kept them with Kenshin because it's a period piece, and really shows.

mrkaizoku · Post by **mrkaizoku** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:38 am

Deep Thought wrote: I much rather say "fuck" in front of my 9 year old, or let him see nipples on TV or, like, 2 seconds then let him see a gruesome act done on TV that wouldn't end for a while. Admittedly, I wouldn't want him/her to see nipples on TV, but let's ask a question:

Which is going to affect your 6 to 11 year old in a more negative way; nipples or gruesome acts of violence? The absolute worst thing that can happen if a kid sees nipples, and this is almost exaggerated, is that they'll become a whore/pimp. The absolute worst that can happen if a kid sees a gruesome act of violence is that they'll become a mass murder. While I wouldn't want my child to become a whore, I certainly wouldn't want him to become a murderer.

What if seeing nipples turned your child into a serial rapist. It's just as plausible as your theory about your child seeing fictional murder. Children in the United States are much too sheltered. Most children can easily distinguish reality from fiction. As a child I didn't have limits on what I could and could not see, and I grew up just fine. I've been watching R rated movies since I could talk, and I've certainly never killed, raped, tortured, or dismembered anyone. Granted, in today's media children are more easily exposed to foul language, sex, and violence, BUT we can't place the blame on the media. If you don't want your child to see or have something the solution is a simple one. DON'T LET THEM SEE OR HAVE IT. There is absolutely no reason that adults and mature children shouldn't be able to enjoy uncensored media. Sorry for the rant. I'm not singling you out Deep Thought just your idea.

On Topic (or at least I think it is):

How can people still expect VIZ to do a series proper justice? I learned my lesson many years ago with their editions of Ranma 1/2. At first I thought that their volumes were a fair representation of the material, then I started learning Japanese. I started comparing text bubbles from the Japanese volumes to the English, and started seeing that they didn't match up very well. I don't think that it is the translators fault. I think that they probably did a very good job with a very accurate direct translation, but (and this has always been VIZ's biggest problem) the person who localized it for a U.S. market screwed things up.

Since that time things have gone pretty steadily down hill with VIZ. Things were looking bright for awhile when they started releasing "Dragonball", and "Dragonball Z" (god I hate that) monthly. The translations they used were very accurate, barring some small issues (Piccolo's weird Yoda speech), and were actually worth purchasing. Then some parent started looking through an issue of "Dragonball" in Toys R Us (I think it was Toys R Us), and threw a fit. Soon after that VIZ gave up whatever integrity they had left, and catered to every whim of every over protective moron on the planet. Now American audiences will never get to see an accurate representation of many different Manga. It's really too bad.

Sorry for the text wall. I got a little carried away.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:36 am

Now that I've spent some time with my DB Vizbig volume, I have mixed feelings.

My first thought upon reading it, was just how fucking big and heavy it is, not to mention cumbersome, I'm afraid that if I drop it by accident, it will collapse then explode under it's own immense weight, possibly taking some of my furniture with it, it just isn't comfortable to read.

However, that said, it certainly is a lot of bang for your buck, even if it as at the expense of ergonomics and a lovely wicker chair I used to enjoy reading in.

Anyway, the pros and cons concerning editing and colour pages have been covered by everyone already, so I wont bother.

In conclusion, I guess it's alright, and I'll continue to purchase them, unless these hardcover books everyone is confused about, end up being uncut.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:41 am

**sorry for the bump**

I don't think VIZ edits violence too much/at all.

But that's not what I wanted to ask.

I was at my local "Books-a-million" yesterday, and decided to pick up the VIZBIG's for a quick peek. I noticed something. Why would VIZ edit out Bulma's bare chest, yet keep young Goku's little piece of manhood? I'm guessing its probably because Goku isn't drawn too realisticaly.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:51 pm

mrkaizoku wrote:What if seeing nipples turned your child into a serial rapist.

Then I would hope for everyone's sake that that kid never has sex.