Dragon Ball GT Confusion

[Pain]

Where do I start? GT brought an orgy of confusion into the DragonBall world, as we all know. It brought us some good things, such as "Supa Saiya-Jin 4 Son Goku and Vegeta and another fusion. But also a jar full of bad/useless things, such as Pilaf's return, and the list can go on for years.

But with the good and the bad, it has created a topic that I'd like to call, "ドラゴンボールの混乱". Or for you guys who don't have Google's translator, "Dragon Ball Confusion". With this topic, I have a lot of questions, and I hope the wise old members of this forum can answer my questions.

1) Whatever happened to Vegeta saying that Saiya-Jins don't grow hair after birth? He gets a stereotypical 90's mustache and ugly box cut like my uncle has.

2) What?! Is it just me or does everyone look older in the last episodes of Dragon Ball Z than they do in Dragon Ball GT? Just look at Videl and Chi Chi.

3) After shaving his "Mr.T resembling" mustache, it seems that the hair goes with it. I doubt that Vegeta magically got his short spiky hair without a haircut, but can a Saiya-Jin's hair be cut?

4) After becoming Supa Saiya-Jin 4s, Son Goku and Vegeta lose their shirts. Instead they have red fur, which is appropriate, because they are in fact "Monkey Men". But, the problems start here. After reverting back to normal, what do they have on them? Shirts. Why is this?

5) Piccolo owned Cell and Freeza in Hell? Am I remembering that right?

6) And the most confusing. In GT, Son Goku's skin color is darkened. This creative change is one of the things I liked about GT. But for what reason was it done? Was it a mistake or did Toriyama have something to do with this? It was also used in the "10th Anniversary Special", so they MUST have had a reason. I feel that it makes Son Goku resemble his father, Burdock even more so than he already does. But that's just me so whatever.

7) And wait! The biggest question. A lot of movie villains were crammed into GT as well. But, a lot of them don't even exist in the the main story!


Well those were my questions, so please answer them.

[mrkaizoku]

4) After becoming Supa Saiya-Jin 4s, Son Goku and Vegeta lose their shirts. Instead they have red fur, which is appropriate, because they are in fact "Monkey Men". But, the problems start here. After reverting back to normal, what do they have on them? Shirts. Why is this?

For the same reason Kenshiro can burst out of a red shirt and leather jacket multiple times an episode.

[caejones]

King Kai gave them clothes that regenerate.
Pilaf was in a mental hospital when Buu blew up the earth, and wasn't evil until he recovered and got ideas.
Saiyan hair oddities... a sign of aging? (*points to Kaboom's GT rewrite*)
Movie villains... *passes*
Goku's skin... maybe the red Shenron gave him a tan because of its awesome power?
Or maybe since all of Goku's adult energy was in his child body it had to go somewhere, so his skin got more pigmeny as a result? (*pulling explanations out like GT Goku's tail*)

... ... ...

[Shin Moonwalker]

After reverting back to normal, what do they have on them? Shirts. Why is this?

In order not to turn Dragon Ball into a hentai show.

5) Piccolo owned Cell and Freeza in Hell? Am I remembering that right?

Actually that one's in Toyble's manga :

7) And wait! The biggest question. A lot of movie villains were crammed into GT as well. But, a lot of them don't even exist in the the main story!

Aside from Cooler's second lasting and non-moving appearance, I don't really see any. [/quote]

[Victator Supreme]

7) And wait! The biggest question. A lot of movie villains were crammed into GT as well. But, a lot of them don't even exist in the the main story!

Who is to say they never showed up in the main timeline. The events just happened differently than in the movies.

[SSj_Rambo]

1) Whatever happened to Vegeta saying that Saiya-Jins don't grow hair after birth? He gets a stereotypical 90's mustache and ugly box cut like my uncle has.

2) What?! Is it just me or does everyone look older in the last episodes of Dragon Ball Z than they do in Dragon Ball GT? Just look at Videl and Chi Chi.

3) After shaving his "Mr.T resembling" mustache, it seems that the hair goes with it. I doubt that Vegeta magically got his short spiky hair without a haircut, but can a Saiya-Jin's hair be cut?

4) After becoming Supa Saiya-Jin 4s, Son Goku and Vegeta lose their shirts. Instead they have red fur, which is appropriate, because they are in fact "Monkey Men". But, the problems start here. After reverting back to normal, what do they have on them? Shirts. Why is this?

5) Piccolo owned Cell and Freeza in Hell? Am I remembering that right?

6) And the most confusing. In GT, Son Goku's skin color is darkened. This creative change is one of the things I liked about GT. But for what reason was it done? Was it a mistake or did Toriyama have something to do with this? It was also used in the "10th Anniversary Special", so they MUST have had a reason. I feel that it makes Son Goku resemble his father, Burdock even more so than he already does. But that's just me so whatever.

7) And wait! The biggest question. A lot of movie villains were crammed into GT as well. But, a lot of them don't even exist in the the main story!


Well those were my questions, so please answer them.

The only explanation for those is that they are pathetic attempts by Toei to create a longer series with more changes from DBZ. Akira Toryama (creator of Dragonball) did not come up with any of the stuff in DBGT so it is all made up and mostly pure inconsistencies. Basically, everything in DBGT creates confusing plot holes so don't regard it as cannon, just more Dragonball to pass the time.

[Herms]

Akira Toryama (creator of Dragonball) did not come up with any of the stuff in DBGT so it is all made up and mostly pure inconsistencies.

Toriyama actually did some character designs for GT, including young Goku, Pan, Trunks, Gil, the giants from that one episode, and Goku and co.'s spaceship. There was a whole thread on it awhile back.

[Rocketman]

Saiyan hair can indeed be cut, as the tips of Goku's hair get sliced off by Tao Pai Pai's sword.

Saiyan hair also grows, since Goku's hair got larger as he grew up.

[Coola Yagami]

Vegeta just cut the tips off of his hair making it a 'box cut'. Since a year passed with all the Bebi stuff, Vegeta's spikes were starting to grow back.

Have no idea why Goku is tanned in GT, but the series itself aknowledges it. Aside from clips from the actual DB/DBZ in which of course Goku is paler, GT also showed GT-drawn flashbacks (Pan and the others at the beach) that also had Goku paler. So I guess he just got tanned while training Uub...?

[SSj_Rambo]

Saiyan hair also grows, since Goku's hair got larger as he grew up.

Yes, Saiyan hair does grow, but only in proportion to the persons body (or so it would seem in the manga).

[AleezaChocolat]

6) And the most confusing. In GT, Son Goku's skin color is darkened. This creative change is one of the things I liked about GT. But for what reason was it done? Was it a mistake or did Toriyama have something to do with this? It was also used in the "10th Anniversary Special", so they MUST have had a reason. I feel that it makes Son Goku resemble his father, Burdock even more so than he already does. But that's just me so whatever.

Well, I was looking back at some of the colored art Toriyama did for Dragonball, and though his colors vary from picture to picture (for example, Bulma early on has blue hair in the manga, but then, for the rest of the series, she's given purple hair), Toriyama did give Goku a darker skin color than others in the main cast sometimes (here and here). So maybe that was Toei's way of trying to be slightly more faithful to Toriyama? Similar to how they made Bulma's hair purple (rather than the anime's blue) in the DB anime special, I suppose.

Or maybe, like Coola Yagami said, Goku just tanned from training with Oob for all of those years. Dunno.

[AleezaChocolat]

Saiyan hair can indeed be cut, as the tips of Goku's hair get sliced off by Tao Pai Pai's sword.

Saiyan hair also grows, since Goku's hair got larger as he grew up.

But I think in both the manga and anime, Vegeta mentioned that for full-blooded Saiyans, they're born with their hair style, and it simply grows with them until they are "full grown," and then it stops. It will, though, if cut, grow back to its original length and style.

Assuming my memory's serving me well (and you never know with my memory, heh), then GT made a slight boo-boo.

[Kid Trunks]

It will, though, if cut, grow back to its original length and style.

I agree with that. And since Vegeta's hair is always shorter in GT than in Z, Toei didn't make a mistake since his hair stays within its growth limits.

[Kaboom]

I sincerely doubt the hair would somehow grow back instantly, like... *snip* WHOOSH. With a cut like GT Vegeta's it would probably take a few days to regrow. He could keep a haircut like that, but he'd probably have to trim it back down literally every day.

[Shin Moonwalker]

The only explanation for those is that they are pathetic attempts by Toei to create a longer series with more changes from DBZ. Akira Toryama (creator of Dragonball) did not come up with any of the stuff in DBGT so it is all made up and mostly pure inconsistencies. Basically, everything in DBGT creates confusing plot holes so don't regard it as cannon, just more Dragonball to pass the time.

Wow, talk about a GT hater...
You do realize everything you just said can apply to the movies ?

[Terra-jin]

Actually, Toriyama was more involved with GT than you think. To my knowledge, he did the designs for a few characters and worked as a sort of advisor for it in general.

[Catterix2006]

Dragonball has always had inconsistencies. Things like Saiyan hair not growing after birth can just be ignored in many ways.

What I like however, is that if there's an inconsistency in Dragonball canon, fans just go "oh, it's just Toriyama being forgetful " but if its an inconsistency created in filler or GT it's suddenly; "Damn Toei ruining DB and trying to make it a cashcow!!".

Ahh, the rose tint of Fans' eyes.

[SSj_Rambo]

The only explanation for those is that they are pathetic attempts by Toei to create a longer series with more changes from DBZ. Akira Toryama (creator of Dragonball) did not come up with any of the stuff in DBGT so it is all made up and mostly pure inconsistencies. Basically, everything in DBGT creates confusing plot holes so don't regard it as cannon, just more Dragonball to pass the time.

Wow, talk about a GT hater...
You do realize everything you just said can apply to the movies ?

I am not a GT hater, but I can see how you would think that after reading my post. I simply accept GT as completely filler and not having a bit of relevance to the original story and I like it as that. I like the movies for the same reasons, they don't really contribute or even coincide with the real storyline but I love them as awesome bonus's throughout the whole series.

[DominatorLost]

I don't know why everyone bitched about Pilaf... Seriously, do you consider him to be a competent villain? He doesn't give off any sinister vibes in the slightest and at least GT remembered who he was. As for Goku's tan, he was living up on the Tenka for years, which is directly below the sun, so I don't see any reason why he wouldn't get darkened skin. I've never seen anyone ask about why eyebrows disappear for Super Saiyan 3.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about with the movie villains, Cooler got a tiny cameo, I wouldn't even class that as a real appearance, and as for Gogeta, couldn't it happen anyway? If Vegeta had not seen the fusion dance in the Buu saga, wouldn't he have seen Trunks do it sometime in his life?

4) After becoming Supa Saiya-Jin 4s, Son Goku and Vegeta lose their shirts. Instead they have red fur, which is appropriate, because they are in fact "Monkey Men". But, the problems start here. After reverting back to normal, what do they have on them? Shirts. Why is this?

For the same reason Kenshiro can burst out of a red shirt and leather jacket multiple times an episode.

ATATATATATATATATA!

[SSJmole]

6) And the most confusing. In GT, Son Goku's skin color is darkened. This creative change is one of the things I liked about GT. But for what reason was it done? Was it a mistake or did Toriyama have something to do with this? It was also used in the "10th Anniversary Special", so they MUST have had a reason. I feel that it makes Son Goku resemble his father, Burdock even more so than he already does. But that's just me so whatever.

Maybe it's because Goku spent 10 years at the look out training with Uub. As we know it's higher up and closer to the sun. Maybe he got a tan from been that close.

Look at Mr Popo. He use to be white before working for Kami and Nameks as we know don't get tans. but nah I like the tan idea that could work