Muten Roshi And Jinzo'ningen #18 Die Of Old Age?!

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:45 pm

I once read that Roshi himself drank from the fountain of youth or immortality once. Doesn't that mean he should be immortal? Meaning that old age won't kill him. But at the end of GT, he is said to have died of old age, just like everyone else. That's impossible, unless he is killed. And what about Jinzō'ningen #18?! She's a....Jinzō'ningen! She doesn't age! But why did she die? Was she killed? Or is this just another GT plot hole?

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:55 pm

My assumption is that since #18 is a cyborg, part robot, part living tissue, the human tissue part of her would eventually degrade and she would die. Kinda like the terminator who would die after 150 years or whatever.

Post by **Herms** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:01 pm

When Goku and Chi Chi go to get the Bansho Fan from Kame-sennin, Sea Turtle mentions that Kame-sennin has drank the "Medicine of Immortality". Later in the series, when Kame-sennin is about to confront Piccolo Daimao, he tell Tenshinhan not to worry about him, since he has drank the "Water of Immortality" and can't die. But after he drugs Tenshinhan, he says "The Water of Immortality doesn't exist. It's a lie." So it's not really certain why he lived that long.

For No.18, do we have any way of knowing she doesn't age, other than her looking the same in Trunks' future as she does in the present? She is after all human based, so I don't see any reason why she couldn't age and/or eventually die of old age.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:03 pm

I thought Kame just said that he was lying about the water being able to keep him from dying at all.

Post by **Herms** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:11 pm

Thanos6 wrote:I thought Kame just said that he was lying about the water being able to keep him from dying at all.

No, he says it doesn't exist (or literally "the water of immortality and the like don't exist"). Viz might have changed the wording a little, but the Japanese is pretty clear. Or at least the "the water of immortality doesn't exist part" is clear; it's a little ambigious just what he means by "it's a lie", though.

ultimateemail5000 · Post by **ultimateemail5000** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:23 pm

Did Android 18 really die in GT? That would be really lousy. I saw the saga where I thought she was killed, but I just assummed she was wished back with the Dragonballs or something. If she did die, I guess that would explain why Krillin was at Master Roshi's on the last episode.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:25 pm

18 (past Cell Saga) is someone I would see willing to deactivate herself to be with Kuririn after he died, or after Maron died too. Just another theory along with the one that the human part of her degrades to the point of her not being able to live.

Post by **Herms** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:46 pm

ultimateemail5000 wrote:Did Android 18 really die in GT? That would be really lousy. I saw the saga where I thought she was killed, but I just assummed she was wished back with the Dragonballs or something. If she did die, I guess that would explain why Krillin was at Master Roshi's on the last episode.

She was never killed during the course of GT, at least not in anything that's shown. It's just implied that she died in some way during the 100-year gap between Goku's departure with Shenlong and his appearence at the Tenkaichi Budoukai.

StarrDust · Post by **StarrDust** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:31 pm

But didn't 17 and 18 mention in the Trunks special that their bodies don't age or something like that?

Post by **Herms** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:45 am

StarrDust wrote:But didn't 17 and 18 mention in the Trunks special that their bodies don't age or something like that?

Not that I can remember. I know they don't say anything like that in the "Trunks: the Story" manga chapter.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:59 am

Herms wrote:
Thanos6 wrote:I thought Kame just said that he was lying about the water being able to keep him from dying at all.
No, he says it doesn't exist (or literally "the water of immortality and the like don't exist"). Viz might have changed the wording a little, but the Japanese is pretty clear. Or at least the "the water of immortality doesn't exist part" is clear; it's a little ambigious just what he means by "it's a lie", though.

Muten Roshi: "Don't worry. I wont die. For I've drunk the elixir of immortality."

"And I'm afraid I lied about the elixir of immortality."

From VIZ.

Jackal puFF · Post by **Jackal puFF** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:28 am

didnt the bird of immortality die?

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:27 am

Jackal puFF wrote:didnt the bird of immortality die?

Wasn't it a Phoenix? And aren't Phoenixes Immortal?

What? Confusing thread is evolving... Confusing thread turned into Even more confusing thread.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:39 am

The Time Traveller wrote:
Jackal puFF wrote:didnt the bird of immortality die?
Wasn't it a Phoenix? And aren't Phoenixes Immortal?

It was a phoenix; the Japanese word for phoenix, fushichou, literally means "immortal bird". Their exact traits vary between different stories, but phoenixs are usually immortal, though they have to periodically be reborn from their own ashes.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:47 am

The Time Traveller wrote:
Jackal puFF wrote:didnt the bird of immortality die?
Wasn't it a Phoenix? And aren't Phoenixes Immortal?

What? Confusing thread is evolving... Confusing thread turned into Even more confusing thread.

That was the joke, that the "Immortal Phoenix" had suddenly died.

djkalteraphine · Post by **djkalteraphine** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:38 am

Toriyama once said the last person to die would be Kame Sen'nin. Therefore, GT is lying to you.

Kak · Post by **Kak** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:15 am

Wait, when in GT does it say Roshi died of old age? I don't remember that being stated, but I might have forgotten.

StarrDust · Post by **StarrDust** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:33 pm

I always thought it was weird that Pan lived into her 100s and is only a quarter Saiya-jin. Shouldn't the half saiya-jins still be alive since it seems that full blooded Saiya-jins age slowly/have long lives? Or were they all killed?

Post by **Herms** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:42 pm

StarrDust wrote:I always thought it was weird that Pan lived into her 100s and is only a quarter Saiya-jin. Shouldn't the half saiya-jins still be alive since it seems that full blooded Saiya-jins age slowly/have long lives? Or were they all killed?

Saiyans simply have a longer period of youth (as per Vegeta in the second-to-last chapter). It's never said that their overall lifespan is longer than humans.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:34 pm

omegacwa wrote:My assumption is that since #18 is a cyborg, part robot, part living tissue, the human tissue part of her would eventually degrade and she would die. Kinda like the terminator who would die after 150 years or whatever.

That was because of his power cell, wasn't it?

And it was established that #17 and #18 had eternal energy.

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