Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[KentMan]

Oh I get it you guys are talking about fan reactions of this site. That’s why you don’t know the reactions outside. Well this is a good time to speculate if Goku will get stronger or not.

I'm also on DB twitter and As of right now i haven't seen any strength related reactions from this panel. For the most part i'm seeing people talking about Goku bleeding from Gas's kick and some complaining about this arc not ending already. I think we're gonna see those speculations until more pages are leaked

I don’t think we are talking about the same thing here. I was about to mention a site and YouTube channel form yesterday but I don’t think it’s a good idea. No db twitter isn’t just complaining about wanting the arc to end. I’m not sure you saw everything or even some smaller YouTube channels that covered it. But yes there are some that had seen the preview and are complaining about Goku Blue doing well compared to UE Vegeta.

[Hugo Boss]

What’s the purpose of mentioning this, then? If we don’t even know the reason they are complaining. What kind of discussion are we supposed to have about it? I’m confused.

[ZombieVito]

I'm thinking Ultimate Piccolo will be a bit below Ultimate Gohan, in the same realm but a hair behind. If they do take the manga into account, they'll be stronger than Saganbo. If they follow the anime, probably mid to high-end ToP SSB. I'm more interested in how Piccolo will unlock his potential, though.

I also don't think Vegeta fans might be upset with a panel of Goku doing what he has been doing already, Goku is using SSB + UI and doing a much better job than before, he's climbing up the UI ladder with both hands.

My bet is he is climbing it like a boss, moving in such a way and receiving the minimal amount of damage possible(UI makes the body sturdier, that might explain how he is taking Gas' blows), in a fodder form that his performance is allowing him to tangle with guys much stronger, and when he'll activate the silver form, it'll be much stronger than when he fought Granola's clone.
Beatings taken and lack of energy, I guess, are the reasons why he can't yet go silver.

If vs Granola, SSB + UI = 10x boost, now he must be getting a bigger boost, I don't want to venture any numbers... but at least twice as before. His SSB+UI I feel is now stronger than what he be with Sign, or the boost he was getting from Sign in previous arcs, at least.
I guess this also applies to his lower forms, if base + UI was a bit below SS, now his base + UI could be relative to SS2, or at least above SS, but we'll see, I might be completely off the mark.

Gohan already rivaled Blue Goku in the ToP though. He should at least be equal to that Golu now in the movie.

I'm also very curious how Piccolo gets Ultimate. It will probably not be explained like Vegeta with SSG lol.

Gohan was outclassed by every big SSB fighter in the ToP. Golden Freeza and Toppo were way ahead of him. In any case, Goku was not that impressive in his blue form, if Gohan was at his level.
In the movie, Gohan should be a decent match for the likes of those iterations of Toppo and Freeza, if not stronger. That is if he also gets stronger, maybe only Pickle boy is getting a power boost, if the enemies aren't that strong.

This opens up a new type of discussion, though, about Piccolo. If Piccolo was as strong as Gohan in the Moro arc, with his new form, where would he be? it's soon to say, I know, we don't even know how much dormant power he has. Or could it be that Piccolo was not as strong as people thought, and now he is getting up there?

Well according to the DB manga, being 80% of someone is rivaling them (Raditz vs Saibaimen) so there's still plenty of room for Gohan to rival Goku but still lose to those 2.

I don't think the movie will take anything from the manga into account.

[Skar]

Any predictions on how powerful Ultimate Piccolo will be?

I'm thinking he will be on par with Ultimate Gohan.

I also assume close to Ultimate Gohan or maybe they won't go into much detail. Super Hero might be when we find out how strong Toriyama intended Ultimate Gohan to be Post-ToP since it seemed to vary in the manga and anime.

[ZombieVito]

I also assume close to Ultimate Gohan or maybe they won't go into much detail. Super Hero might be when we find out how strong Toriyama intended Ultimate Gohan to be Post-ToP since it seemed to vary in the manga and anime.

Huh? Gohan is the same in both mediums.

Blue level but weaker than Goku, Vegeta and Freeza.

[KentMan]

What’s the purpose of mentioning this, then? If we don’t even know the reason they are complaining. What kind of discussion are we supposed to have about it? I’m confused.

It’s okay as long as they willingly don’t show up here and start flooding the threads with anti Toriyama posts. I’m gonna assume Goku is dealing with Gas by himself if that’s the case him mastering UI in base might happen sooner than I thought. But who knows

[GatoF]

I hope that Ultimate Piccolo is on par with Ultimate Gohan or at least very close

[Koitsukai]

Piccolo getting his potential unlocked opens up the chance for the rest of the gang to get it, too.

Depends on how he got it and why, but Tenshinhan, Krilin and yeah, why not? Yamcha has a bigger fanbase than PSG, him as well could get it.


Maybe for DBS they should've gotten it, so they could've been more decent company to the god like saiyans, but hey, better late than never.

[KentMan]

Piccolo getting his potential unlocked opens up the chance for the rest of the gang to get it, too.

Depends on how he got it and why, but Tenshinhan, Krilin and yeah, why not? Yamcha has a bigger fanbase than PSG, him as well could get it.


Maybe for DBS they should've gotten it, so they could've been more decent company to the god like saiyans, but hey, better late than never.

Piccolo just got his power up outta nowhere the biggest thing here is that it took them this long just to give him something.

[Skar]

Huh? Gohan is the same in both mediums.

Blue level but weaker than Goku, Vegeta and Freeza.

I remember he put up a fight against SSJB Kaioken in the anime so I wasn't sure. I don't remember any fights in the ToP that placed him that high though.

[ZombieVito]

Huh? Gohan is the same in both mediums.

Blue level but weaker than Goku, Vegeta and Freeza.

I remember he put up a fight against SSJB Kaioken in the anime so I wasn't sure. I don't remember any fights in the ToP that placed him that high though.

He didn't put a fight against Blue Kaioken. He was beaten in one hit.

It wasn't even on the ToP, the narrator confirmed he rivaled Blue Goku during their fight.

[Hugo Boss]

My call is that (Ultimate) Piccolo will rival 17 again, which makes him relatively close to (Ultimate) Gohan’s strength as well. I’m not sure how they will compare to Super Saiyan Blue level though. (Ultimate) Gohan and 17 in the ToP were no match for Toppo, who was as strong as (SSB) Goku, (SSB) Vegeta and (Golden) Freeza.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

My call is that (Ultimate) Piccolo will rival 17 again, which makes him relatively close to (Ultimate) Gohan’s strength as well. I’m not sure how they will compare to Super Saiyan Blue level though. (Ultimate) Gohan and 17 in the ToP were no match for Toppo, who was as strong as (SSB) Goku, (SSB) Vegeta and (Golden) Freeza.

I've always liked to put Ultimate Gohan and 17 around SSG as a starting baseline, and move them up if need be.

Strong enough to be approaching SSB, still low enough to be fodderized by someone on that level actually using the full extent of that power level against them.

[Cipher]

Piccolo up to or newly above #17 would track for me as well. I know some people already had him up there based on his team-ups with Gohan in the Moro arc, but I still don't ascribe to it.

[KentMan]

So the biggest thing here is between Goku Vegeta Broly and Beerus. Since this came out a lot of doubt has been put on how strong these characters are to one another. This ain’t no canon debate and it’s implied that Moro 73 was never stronger than Jiren or Broly.

[picc]

I never saw Piccolo as matching Gohan in the Moro arc. Just because they were fighting along each other doesn't mean much. But def hoping he gets close to him after the powerup. Piccolo should be behind the saiyans but the next strongest fighter, so equal to or stronger than 17.

[dragonball0900]

Ultimate Piccolo should be around Ultimate Gohan level now, which means he is Blue tier.

They should also be stronger than Android 17 (Anime), since this Gohan should logically be far stronger than ToP Gohan, who was equal to Android 17 (Anime) (unless the Moro Saga gains for Gohan are not taken into account). Then we have Gamma 1 and Gamma 2 who are stated in official promo material to be the strongest androids ever, and we see in the poster that Ultimate Gohan and Ultimate Piccolo are fighting both androids around the same level.

So yeah, Ultimate Piccolo should now be the 4th strongest fighter on Earth (as it should be), only behind Gohan and, obviously, Goku and Vegeta.

[ZombieVito]

Ultimate Piccolo should be around Ultimate Gohan level now, which means he is Blue tier.

They should also be stronger than Android 17 (Anime), since this Gohan should logically be far stronger than ToP Gohan, who was equal to Android 17 (Anime) (unless the Moro Saga gains for Gohan are not taken into account). Then we have Gamma 1 and Gamma 2 who are stated in official promo material to be the strongest androids ever, and we see in the poster that Ultimate Gohan and Ultimate Piccolo are fighting both androids around the same level.

So yeah, Ultimate Piccolo should now be the 4th strongest fighter on Earth (as it should be), only behind Gohan and, obviously, Goku and Vegeta.

I have completely forgotten that the Gammas were said to be the strongest androids ever, that puts them ahead of 17. If Piccolo beats them then yeah Piccolo > 17.

I never in a million years thought that Piccolo would be relevant again in power. I just can't stop smiling.

[KentMan]

I have completely forgotten that the Gammas were said to be the strongest androids ever, that puts them ahead of 17. If Piccolo beats them then yeah Piccolo > 17.

I never in a million years thought that Piccolo would be relevant again in power. I just can't stop smiling.

This didn’t age well I’m just messing with ya, I bet you thought I knew some spoilers. Yes it’s nice to see Piccolo get a power up if only it looked a little more different. They’re really isn’t much to go on how strong Gamma 1 and 2 is compared to previous foes like Moro Granolah and Gas. But it did look like SSJ Gohan whatever did managed something on Gamma 1.

[Hugo Boss]

So the biggest thing here is between Goku Vegeta Broly and Beerus. Since this came out a lot of doubt has been put on how strong these characters are to one another. This ain’t no canon debate and it’s implied that Moro 73 was never stronger than Jiren or Broly.

Actually, this just says that Goku is improving after his battles against Jiren and Broly. It’s not saying the enemies he fought in the manga are weaker than them. The only discussion that you could possibly have about it is the continuity relation between the movie and manga, that’s why this becomes a canon debate whenever it’s brought up.