Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[ZombieVito]

I always thought the consensus was that Magetta was stronger than SS Cabba.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

also, most likely his "raw" Power Level didn't increase, but he got BETTER at fighting.

Hit probably already had his ToP PL even during u6, but he was "bad" at fighting: the anime made a point of him improving during the battle both as pure fighter and at using his time technique.

Maybe. Goku says he’s stronger than before in both Ep 72 and the ToP, but it might be in the same way he said Dabra is stronger with his matic. In the ToP Hit just gets overwhemed by Dyspo’s speed and then gets stomped by Jiren, so it’s hard to tell.

I always thought the consensus was that Magetta was stronger than SS Cabba.

It’s a bit unclear in the manga since Vados says Frost is their ace fighter. This is before Cabba goes SSJ and Hit reveals his true power of course.

[ZombieVito]

also, most likely his "raw" Power Level didn't increase, but he got BETTER at fighting.

Hit probably already had his ToP PL even during u6, but he was "bad" at fighting: the anime made a point of him improving during the battle both as pure fighter and at using his time technique.

Maybe. Goku says he’s stronger than before in both Ep 72 and the ToP, but it might be in the same way he said Dabra is stronger with his matic. In the ToP Hit just gets overwhemed by Dyspo’s speed and then gets stomped by Jiren, so it’s hard to tell.

I always thought the consensus was that Magetta was stronger than SS Cabba.

It’s a bit unclear in the manga since Vados says Frost is their ace fighter. This is before Cabba goes SSJ and Hit reveals his true power of course.

I guess Magetta's endurance is what made him a match for SS Vegeta?

[Thani]

also, most likely his "raw" Power Level didn't increase, but he got BETTER at fighting.

Hit probably already had his ToP PL even during u6, but he was "bad" at fighting: the anime made a point of him improving during the battle both as pure fighter and at using his time technique.

Maybe. Goku says he’s stronger than before in both Ep 72 and the ToP, but it might be in the same way he said Dabra is stronger with his matic. In the ToP Hit just gets overwhemed by Dyspo’s speed and then gets stomped by Jiren, so it’s hard to tell.

I always thought the consensus was that Magetta was stronger than SS Cabba.

It’s a bit unclear in the manga since Vados says Frost is their ace fighter. This is before Cabba goes SSJ and Hit reveals his true power of course.

I guess Magetta's endurance is what made him a match for SS Vegeta?

Magetta was super heavy and tough, plus his steam was weakening Vegeta little by little.

That's what I took. He wasn't the best fighter, but he was still hard to fight against.

[Koitsukai]

The fight is a little longer in the anime, with the oxygen inside the dome diminishing and all, but in the manga Geets just attacks while insulting and wins.
If you know metalman, or if you speak your mind, you don't even need to lift a finger. But if not, they might be tougher to beat than every character from U6 except for Hit and Kale, yeah.

They are not that fast, though, U7's metalman couldn't even tag Tenshinhan, and I guess that might apply to U6's metalman. So, it's not as straightforward with these dudes.

I doubt they can take power above SS2, Kale rung it out and she was about to get beaten by the Pride Troopers, already coming down from her power trip.

[ZombieVito]

So new Waffle cards for Hero were revealed and interestingly Piccolo is stronger.

Ultimate Piccolo: 7,700.
Ultimate Gohan: 7,600.
Gammas: 7,500 each.

Anyone remember what was ToP Gohan's number?

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

So new Waffle cards for Hero were revealed and interestingly Piccolo is stronger.

Ultimate Piccolo: 7,700.
Ultimate Gohan: 7,600.
Gammas: 7,500 each.

Anyone remember what was ToP Gohan's number?

Those cards have never been wholly accurate, but they did at least give some general ideas.

I definitely think we have a case where we're meant to draw rough equivalences of power between characters in comparable forms.

What I'm wondering is how Piccolo in his base form compares to Gohan's non-Ultimate forms. Is he meant to be comparable to base or Super Saiyan?

[ZombieVito]

So new Waffle cards for Hero were revealed and interestingly Piccolo is stronger.

Ultimate Piccolo: 7,700.
Ultimate Gohan: 7,600.
Gammas: 7,500 each.

Anyone remember what was ToP Gohan's number?

Those cards have never been wholly accurate, but they did at least give some general ideas.

I definitely think we have a case where we're meant to draw rough equivalences of power between characters in comparable forms.

What I'm wondering is how Piccolo in his base form compares to Gohan's non-Ultimate forms. Is he meant to be comparable to base or Super Saiyan?

Hard to say since we only have seen a few seconds of their fight and he didn't even take his weighted clothes yet.

If they take from the anime then he would be base tier. Maybe with his training to become Ultimate he reached SS tier?

At the very least we now know that Ultimate Piccolo is indeed Blue tier.

[Yuji]

If they take it from the anime, then Piccolo was already clowning on SS2 Gohan.

[Koitsukai]

Don't know about the cards, but the movie most definitely will be following RoF only, so I'd say Piccolo will be below SS Gohan, who even when rusty was above Piccolo.

[Yuji]

Don't know about the cards, but the movie most definitely will be following RoF only, so I'd say Piccolo will be below SS Gohan, who even when rusty was above Piccolo.

Yes I believe this will be the case too. Toriyama is working under his own continuity and the trailers seem to confirm Piccolo having a harder time than SS Gohan.

[ZombieVito]

If they take it from the anime, then Piccolo was already clowning on SS2 Gohan.

Base tier. He was only Boo arc SS2 tier in episode 88.

[Yuji]

If they take it from the anime, then Piccolo was already clowning on SS2 Gohan.

Base tier. He was only Boo arc SS2 tier in episode 88.

What? Just because Goku tanked one attack in a friendly spar?

It's pretty obvious Piccolo and Gohan have been portrayed as comparable both in the anime and the manga.

[ZombieVito]

If they take it from the anime, then Piccolo was already clowning on SS2 Gohan.

Base tier. He was only Boo arc SS2 tier in episode 88.

What? Just because Goku tanked one attack in a friendly spar?

It's pretty obvious Piccolo and Gohan have been portrayed as comparable both in the anime and the manga.

Yeah and in the ToP when Piccolo and base Gohan were on par.

There's also the thing with Gohan being described in episode 88 to be as strong as he was in the Boo arc.

[Yuji]

Base tier. He was only Boo arc SS2 tier in episode 88.

What? Just because Goku tanked one attack in a friendly spar?

It's pretty obvious Piccolo and Gohan have been portrayed as comparable both in the anime and the manga.

Yeah and in the ToP when Piccolo and base Gohan were on par.

There's also the thing with Gohan being described in episode 88 to be as strong as he was in the Boo arc.

Ultimate Gohan and Piccolo were on par in their battle against the Namekians.

[ZombieVito]

Ultimate Gohan and Piccolo were on par in their battle against the Namekians.

No, they weren't.

Once their Namekian fusions stabilized and Gohan went Ultimate, Piccolo was helpless and was reduced to charging his Makankosappo.

[dragonball0900]

So new Waffle cards for Hero were revealed and interestingly Piccolo is stronger.

Ultimate Piccolo: 7,700.
Ultimate Gohan: 7,600.
Gammas: 7,500 each.

Anyone remember what was ToP Gohan's number?

ToP Gohan was 7,400.

However, these cards also have SSG Goku (BoG and ToP) around 7,700 to 7,800, so they don't really have Ultimate Gohan and Piccolo around SSB tier (SSB in the cards is usually around 8,200 to 8,300).

That's why I take them with a grain of salt. But it does interest me that Ultimate Piccolo is stronger than Ultimate Gohan in these cards.

[Koitsukai]

It makes sense for Piccolo to have a higher potential than Gohan, though. He is two people in one (and different type of namekians, too, one of them extreeeeemely powerful) while Gohan is just one little soul.

I guess that speaks volumes of Gohan's potential, being pretty much the same as two incredible namekians put together.

[dragonball0900]

What I'm wondering is how Piccolo in his base form compares to Gohan's non-Ultimate forms. Is he meant to be comparable to base or Super Saiyan?

The card for SSJ Gohan (or SSJ2 Gohan, not sure which form Gohan uses in the trailer) places him at 5,500, with Piccolo's base form being 5,000.

The only thing unknown for now is Gohan's base form (with his glasses).

[ZombieVito]

So new Waffle cards for Hero were revealed and interestingly Piccolo is stronger.

Ultimate Piccolo: 7,700.
Ultimate Gohan: 7,600.
Gammas: 7,500 each.

Anyone remember what was ToP Gohan's number?

ToP Gohan was 7,400.

However, these cards also have SSG Goku (BoG and ToP) around 7,700 to 7,800, so they don't really have Ultimate Gohan and Piccolo around SSB tier (SSB in the cards is usually around 8,200 to 8,300).

That's why I take them with a grain of salt. But it does interest me that Ultimate Piccolo is stronger than Ultimate Gohan in these cards.

Thanks.

The cards are only good to know who is stronger between people on the same tier so Piccolo is likely stronger than Gohan and the Gammas in the movie but not by much.