Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

[Miracles]

Galactic Patrol arc is clearly before Superhero, check Goten and Trunks age in that arc. And by extension, Granolah is after Moro.

My point is; will Toriyama acknowledge those arcs tho?

Why wouldn't he? He helped create them.

Because Toriyama wrote Dragonball Super: Super Hero during the production of Dragonball Super: Broly. This was before Galactic Patrol/Granolah arcs.

Galactic Patrol arc is clearly before Superhero, check Goten and Trunks age in that arc. And by extension, Granolah is after Moro.

My point is; will Toriyama acknowledge those arcs tho?

It's over mangabro. Activate Doomsday protocol, we lost

lol wut up OLK!

I am team Toriyama. TOEI and Toyotaro are just side dishes.

[YamiGoku]

I get not liking the manga but people are so antagonistic towards it and it's weird. It's so easy to ignore

Yeah this weirds me out, too. But, when I think about it, I sometimes have similarly hostile feelings toward the anime... but then, when I think about it more, I remember that's because of the anime's extraordinarily poor quality most of the time! The manga may not be perfect, but it's a lot less frustrating and heartbreaking, at least to me.

Well thats your opinion and thats fine, but for me (and others) is the opposite, for me the manga keeps disappointing me, and not even the resurrection F arc of the anime is compared to the shitfest that was the TOP manga arc, at last the F arc was decent until Goku nad Vegeta arrive, the TOP manga arc is awful from start to the very end.
I wish Toyotaro was replaced with someone more calificated, I can't believe this multi-billion franchise keeps him on the manga after all his misteps.

[SupremeKai25]

I get not liking the manga but people are so antagonistic towards it and it's weird. It's so easy to ignore

Yeah this weirds me out, too. But, when I think about it, I sometimes have similarly hostile feelings toward the anime... but then, when I think about it more, I remember that's because of the anime's extraordinarily poor quality most of the time! The manga may not be perfect, but it's a lot less frustrating and heartbreaking, at least to me.

at least I prefer the top anime fights to the scam we had in the manga tournament ... where 80 fighters hardly even fought ....

Many came topic anime just to criticize the anime when it was broadcast just to say that the manga was better it is not surprising that the matter has been reversed

What I noticed from the Discussion threads on this forum from back then is that the matter was more of "Super vs. GT" than "Super Anime vs. Manga". I don't think most people cared about the manga or even knew that there was a manga concurrent with the anime (since it was always behind the anime), but I definitely saw plenty of debates on whether the ongoing anime was better or worse than GT... even down to the animation levels. For example I remember seeing people claiming that Goku vs. Kefla was a rip-off of GT just because some shots are similar to Goku vs. Super 17.

[Yuji]

Well this should confirm the manga as a separate continuity

https://twitter.com/DbsHype/status/1515526660610699267

He wasn't exactly in-training when Moro showed up.

They're deliberately keeping things as vague as possible to adapt the manga arcs in the future if need be.

If I'm not mistaken... it is made clear that Gohan and Piccolo in addition to the earthlings prepared for the second arrival of moro... (the time they waited for goku and vegeta to finish training)

Yes, he did train when required to, but the statement wasn't "Gohan never trained again after the Tournament of Power" but "Gohan focused on his studies again" which is still true regardless of whether you count the Moro arc training or not.

[Tai Lung]

He wasn't exactly in-training when Moro showed up.

They're deliberately keeping things as vague as possible to adapt the manga arcs in the future if need be.

If I'm not mistaken... it is made clear that Gohan and Piccolo in addition to the earthlings prepared for the second arrival of moro... (the time they waited for goku and vegeta to finish training)

Yes, he did train when required to, but the statement wasn't "Gohan never trained again after the Tournament of Power" but "Gohan focused on his studies again" which is still true regardless of whether you count the Moro arc training or not.

Maybe .. no, but it would be like playing down the Moor arc when it is supposed to was

[UpFromTheSkies]

My point is; will Toriyama acknowledge those arcs tho?

Why wouldn't he? He helped create them.

Because Toriyama wrote Dragonball Super: Super Hero during the production of Dragonball Super: Broly. This was before Galactic Patrol/Granolah arcs.

Toriyama and Toyotarou work on the stories long before we know about them. They probably have outlines for the next five arcs already.

[Miracles]

Why wouldn't he? He helped create them.

Because Toriyama wrote Dragonball Super: Super Hero during the production of Dragonball Super: Broly. This was before Galactic Patrol/Granolah arcs.

Toriyama and Toyotarou work on the stories long before we know about them. They probably have outlines for the next five arcs already.

That's possibly true. Is it for this situation tho? How do we know that Toriyama is going to allow Goku to access Ultra Instinct in the Super Hero Movie, like in the manga? What about Vegeta's Ultra Ego form?

It's still up in the air until we see the movie.

[ZeroNeonix]

So Gohan stopped training after the ToP confirmed which makes Toyo's nonsense non canon to the movie.

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Gohan state in the anime that he would train so he can protect his family? Then in the anime I am sure that he said he would try and gain a Ultimate power that no one has ever seen.

The movie also ignores the anime.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_I'm ... AADJFl.jpg
Credit to Scotty. This is anime.

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Credit to Scotty. This is manga.

Oh, thank god. The movie ignores the MESS that is the anime. The anime is non-canon, confirmed![/sarcasm]

Some of the people here are so obnoxious. If you don't like the manga, that's your prerogative. But when you're cheering for it to be ignored, you're just being a jerk.

[TheMikado]

I get not liking the manga but people are so antagonistic towards it and it's weird. It's so easy to ignore

Yeah this weirds me out, too. But, when I think about it, I sometimes have similarly hostile feelings toward the anime... but then, when I think about it more, I remember that's because of the anime's extraordinarily poor quality most of the time! The manga may not be perfect, but it's a lot less frustrating and heartbreaking, at least to me.

Well thats your opinion and thats fine, but for me (and others) is the opposite, for me the manga keeps disappointing me, and not even the resurrection F arc of the anime is compared to the shitfest that was the TOP manga arc, at last the F arc was decent until Goku nad Vegeta arrive, the TOP manga arc is awful from start to the very end.
I wish Toyotaro was replaced with someone more calificated, I can't believe this multi-billion franchise keeps him on the manga after all his misteps.

My opinion is that Toyotaro is fine. Toriyama just doesn’t have any good ideas left and both the anime and the manga suck (but I like the manga better).

[super michael]

Personally I prefer the manga over the anime for DBS. Some episode of DBS can reach TTG level of it being bad.

[Skar]

Gohan getting his groove back was a plot done twice in the DBS anime, in fact (post-RoF and for the ToP).

I think this is an example of Toriyama ignoring details from both continuities if he didn't write it himself. It seems like he only intended for Gohan to train again for the ToP. I recall Piccolo telling Future Trunks that Gohan no longer trained which means his anime-only training after the RoF arc was ignored.

The result is that Gohan gets his groove back a comical number of times across the various mediums for Super, and we kind of just have to shrug and roll with it. The kind of larger audiences a film like this is intended for have never been in the nitty gritty of either serialized version of Super and won't notice. Hope the film is fun!

That's what I was thinking. Broly didn't acknowledge the three arcs since RoF aside from there being a tournament with other universes which is probably only to explain why Freeza was resurrected. If Super Hero was written shortly after Broly, there wouldn't be any details relevant from the manga to acknowledge.

[Mr Baggins]

Co-signing the above sentiments.

Both this Gohan reveal and DBS Broly's exclusion of certain ideas from the anime and manga should, I think, make it obvious by now that Toriyama's Super movies comprise their own transcendent "master" continuity that supersedes all others. It's not that the films don't occur in those mediums, but they do practically ignore them for the moviegoing audience's sake.

Dunno what to think about it in this case. Like with everything else, I'll see how I feel after watching.

[Goku9001]

I'm not sure if this was posted yet but this was brought to my attention recently.

https://twitter.com/DBSChronicles/statu ... %2Fpage-12

I'm not really sure what to make of this. It implies that the Moro arc never occurred since the most recent battle that occurred on Earth was against Broly and yet Pan, Goten, and Trunks have clearly aged. Though I suppose DBS Super Hero could be the reason for Gohan training prior to the Moro arc presumably.

[Cipher]

I'm not sure if this was posted yet but this was brought to my attention recently.

https://twitter.com/DBSChronicles/statu ... %2Fpage-12

I'm not really sure what to make of this. It implies that the Moro arc never occurred since the most recent battle that occurred on Earth was against Broly and yet Pan, Goten, and Trunks have clearly aged. Though I suppose DBS Super Hero could be the reason for Gohan training prior to the Moro arc presumably.

The video simply says the movie is set on Earth “after the fierce battle with Broly. However, the peace suddenly comes to an end!”

Sure, the implication is that Broly was the last fight prior to said peace, but it’s not quite the same as doubling down on a continuity statement. I don’t think anyone reasonably expected the movie to make heavy or even any reference to manga-only arcs—both for its reaching a broader audience as the follow-up to Broly (to which it is a sequel), and because of the timeframe for it beginning production (pre- post-Broly manga arcs).

The movies are certainly doing their own thing alongside the manga, but I don’t think there’s specific intent for them to run roughshod over it.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

People need to realise that they haven't even acknowledged the manga at all for any of the promotion for this film. The one time it was mentioned was during a question at NY Comic Con regarding if this movie was set after the events of the Granolah arc, and Iyoku pretty much said "Oh... it seems you've been reading the manga! Thanks for the support!" and that was it. Just because they said the movie is set after Broly doesn't mean that they're disregarding the last couple of manga arcs. They're keeping the manga stuff super vague because they're probably planning on adapting those arcs later on for the anime.

Most fans that kept up with the anime and watched Broly don't even read the manga. I know people that watched DBS as it came out and they didn't even know that there was also a manga alongside it. Imagine promoting the sequel to the blockbuster DBS: Broly and then writing in the official synopsis "Set after the events of the Granolah the Survivor arc..." Most fans would be like "what the fuck is that?" It just sounds a whole lot better connecting back to that last film that everyone saw, rather than trying to connect to events from the manga that most people that watched Broly haven't even read.

[super michael]

Gohan was written better during the Saiyan Saga-Cell Game, that Gohan was able to balance both training and studying. Then Gohan got carried away during the peace time after Cell defeat and got weak in the Buu Saga.

Gohan can see how not training affects his ability to protect others in the Buu Saga, BoG, RoF and ToP, but somehow he quit and return. Now Toriyama believes Gohan quit training after the ToP, even though Gohan trained in the Moro chapter.

Gohan can see how useless he is at protecting other, but nope he must quit training, even though there is the ROSAT which turns 1 year into 1 day outside.

Gohan as a kid dared to train with the best and actually trained with the best. That is something we won't see from Gohan when he became a teenager and adult.

[LightBing]

Gohan was written better during the Saiyan Saga-Cell Game, that Gohan was able to balance both training and studying. Then Gohan got carried away during the peace time after Cell defeat and got weak in the Buu Saga.

Gohan can see how not training affects his ability to protect others in the Buu Saga, BoG, RoF and ToP, but somehow he quit and return. Now Toriyama believes Gohan quit training after the ToP, even though Gohan trained in the Moro chapter.

Gohan can see how useless he is at protecting other, but nope he must quit training, even though there is the ROSAT which turns 1 year into 1 day outside.

Gohan as a kid dared to train with the best and actually trained with the best. That is something we won't see from Gohan when he became a teenager and adult.

I agree it's just bad writing.

At the very least Gohan would do maintenance for the reasons you mentioned.

I wonder if Toriyama even remembers at this point how he's repeating the same plot point over and over again.

[kemuri07]

People need to realise that they haven't even acknowledged the manga at all for any of the promotion for this film. The one time it was mentioned was during a question at NY Comic Con regarding if this movie was set after the events of the Granolah arc, and Iyoku pretty much said "Oh... it seems you've been reading the manga! Thanks for the support!" and that was it. Just because they said the movie is set after Broly doesn't mean that they're disregarding the last couple of manga arcs. They're keeping the manga stuff super vague because they're probably planning on adapting those arcs later on for the anime.

Most fans that kept up with the anime and watched Broly don't even read the manga. I know people that watched DBS as it came out and they didn't even know that there was also a manga alongside it. Imagine promoting the sequel to the blockbuster DBS: Broly and then writing in the official synopsis "Set after the events of the Granolah the Survivor arc..." Most fans would be like "what the fuck is that?" It just sounds a whole lot better connecting back to that last film that everyone saw, rather than trying to connect to events from the manga that most people that watched Broly haven't even read.

The actual reason probably comes down to the scheduling of when these movies are being created. It's just easier to be vague about "when" these stories take place as oppose to trying to link up to canon when the manga/anime itself is still being played out. It's probably why Goku didn't defeat Broly using UI but instead combines with Vegeta to form Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta.

[Piccolo_Daima]

Can't wait to see Piccolo's new form, hopefully this time we won't have Goku and Vegeta getting involved. Let Piccolo and Gohan be the heroes this time

[Jiren The Alpha]

They could mention the manga just to promote it and get people to read it, but they don't even wanna do that. Did Toyo piss someone off?