Draconic wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 1:03 am
I'd say that the God forms are stronger than Super Saiyan 4 and it's fusions, but the GT characters are much stronger in base form than Super characters that they'd be able to match the God forms. In this case, SSJ4 Gogeta would be competitive in Super at least until the ToP.
I have my multipliers as such:
Base - 1
Great Ape - 10
SSJ - 50
SSJ2 - 100
SSJ3 - 400
SSJ4 - 500 (Great Ape x Super Saiyan)
SSG - 600
SSB - 1200
As you can see, a base Saiyan with a base of 2 would be competitive with a Blue in SSJ4 and above a God, even though God is above 4 as a transformation. And this isn't taking into account things like techniques, combat experience or rage boosts.
I agree that SS4, the form, is comparable to the SSG form, and that SS4 Goku is comparable to SSB Goku due to the stronger base form.
SS4 was said to have a similar boost to a SS fusion, and SSG was implied to be beyond that, so 500 and 600 for each seems fine to me, at least the difference between the forms. SS fusion = SS4 = SSG, also works for me.
I'm not sure about the multipliers, though, because SSG has done stuff proving to be more than 2x SS3, like effortlessly oneshotting Trunks.
SS4 was also much stronger than SS3. With Baby needing a 10x boost to fight SS4, while being stronger than SS3.
I think SS4 Gogeta meets his match by the end of the FT arc, with the potara fusions. If Goku with SSB and SS4 is equally strong, then a SS4 and a SSB fusion should be similar, so Gogeta being a big player in the FT arc sounds plausible. By the ToP, I think he is part of that nebulous group of fighters way above SSB tier but below Jiren (Zamasu, Vegito, Kefla, Toppo, SS Broly)
Noah wrote: ↑Wed May 18, 2022 10:27 pmIgnoring the fact that Heroes tries to push SSJ4 and Blue as equals... How would you guys think Super Saiyan God stands if was put to compare with battle powers in GT?
SS4 and SSG were compared to potara fusion. Let's not delve into who gets the shorter end of the stick, it's not crystal clear anyway, so let's have them as equals.
SSG would be probably below SS4 Goku, because his base form, at least in the manga, isn't as strong as in GT.
The form should be above SS4, but Goku in GT was stronger, so I guess SSG would be doing a little worse than SS4 Goku. Struggling to beat Ohzaru VB, but smart enough to not feed Super 17 so much ki. Dead in the water against Ih Shenron.
If GT Goku would've gotten SSG, then, he'd be stronger than Baby, would not need to use ki attacks on Super 17, and might be on par with Ih Shenron. And need SSB to fight Omega evenly, he said he was 10x stronger than before, and that's the SSB boost.