miguelnuva1 wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:20 pm
To touch on this
Goku and Vegeta can't defeat Frieza I'm base
Bra is a good match for perfect Cell in base
Vegito can defeat Fat Buu and Kid Buu in base
Where is it shown that Vegetto can defeat Fat Boo and Kid Boo on base form? I know that the anime showed base Vegetto smacking Boohan around, but Salagir insists that he only really follows the manga, and Vegetto never fought with base form at all, and in DBM itself I only remember him casually defeating Freeza and Cooler.
I do remember someone telling me that Vegetto's base form is stronger than even Gohan in the fanfiction version, but power levels in that is iffy, I remember U18 Vegeta's SS2 being stronger than U13 Vegeta's SS3...
Jack Bz wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:28 pm
Bra's strength isn't really clear cut as this implies, as her transformations aren't one-to-one with Vegetto.
Super saiyan Vegetto wiped the floor with super saiyan Bra, and he says that she's not even 1/10 of his level. Then she transforms into super saiyan 2, and suddenly the gap has closed significantly ("It looks like at this level...our forces aren't so far apart!"). It seems Bra's super saiyan 2 has a significantly larger power boost than Vegetto's super saiyan 2 if she almost managed to close a 10x gap. By my calculations she should be almost 20x stronger than her super saiyan self.
Huh, I double checked and you're right, it's weird her SS2 made the gap close enough... He's still above her considering he casually blocked a punch, but he was briefly thrown into the defensive there.
He did use SS3 to defeat Ginyu Bra, but I think that was him wanting to end the fight quick and he ran out of patience, not necessarily something he needed to do.
Still weird the SS2 gap seemed closer... Kinda weird Bra broke the numbers without an explanation, unless maybe Vegetto only pretended to be around her level to pretend to get hit to do a surprise punch lol.
If Vegetto is normally more than 10x Bra's strength, that means that his base form is over 10x stronger than Perfect Cell - which competes with GT levels of strength in my opinion.
Well, do we know how base Vegetto measures up to Boo? GT Goku says Rildo's power is even greater than Boo's before Rildo got the other robots' pieces, and Goku fought him in base form and kept up with him too rather casually (Although, neither one were fighting seriously, but Goku seemed to be the stronger one).
Super 17 fight can also be used as an indication over how much stronger Goku became after the Baby shit, Goku managed to surpass even Oob with his SS, which's aburd 'cause Oob after "fusing" with Boo seemed to be stronger than SS3 Goku, so if Vegetto is comparable to early GT Goku, then at least by Super 17, GT Goku should be stronger.
Man, thinking of it, discussing this with the difference in multipliers would make this an even bigger headache, 'cause comparing DB's 50-100-400 SS multipliers with DBM's 50-500-5000 multipliers, yeah, basically if a DBM saiyan has the same power level in base form as a DB saiyan, then the SS forms after 2 would give a ridiculously wide gap lol.
