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Post by Captain Awesome » Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:11 pm

Storm wrote: As long as Goku didn't go Super Saiyan. :P
Piccolo's strength pre-fusing with Kami, was somewhat equivalent to that of a Super Saiya-jin.

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Post by Magica » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:35 pm

When Season 3 first came out on TV. Words can't express how disappointed my friend and I were hearing the new voice acting for the first time, especially Vegeta.

Eventually got used to it, though.

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Post by Sophos » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:48 pm

I first got into it around Season 3, so it's actually very weird for me to go back and watch the first two seasons. Rob Schemmel's Goku is still essentially the vocal standard for me.

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Post by NeptuneKai » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:44 pm

Sophos wrote: Rob Schemmel's Goku
Erm, I think you mean Sean Schemmel.
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Post by Kendamu » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:51 pm

Magica wrote:When Season 3 first came out on TV. Words can't express how disappointed my friend and I were hearing the new voice acting for the first time, especially Vegeta.

Eventually got used to it, though.
Vegeta, like the rest at the beginning of Season 3, were very disappointing. However, I actually cringed the worst over Kuririn.

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Post by Sophos » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:52 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Sophos wrote: Rob Schemmel's Goku
Erm, I think you mean Sean Schemmel.
My apologies, I'm very bad with names. Either way, that's the one I'm used to, so that's the voice that always comes to mind for Goku.

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Post by NeptuneKai » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:53 pm

Sophos wrote:
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Sophos wrote: Rob Schemmel's Goku
Erm, I think you mean Sean Schemmel.
My apologies, I'm very bad with names. Either way, that's the one I'm used to, so that's the voice that always comes to mind for Goku.
:lol: It's no problem, I love the Japanese voice actors but I have a rough time remembering their names aswell.
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Post by Sophos » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:58 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Sophos wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote: Erm, I think you mean Sean Schemmel.
My apologies, I'm very bad with names. Either way, that's the one I'm used to, so that's the voice that always comes to mind for Goku.
:lol: It's no problem, I love the Japanese voice actors but I have a rough time remembering their names aswell.
The one thing I enjoy most about the original Japanese versus the FUNimation dub is that the soundtrack I feel is much better. I noticed it when I watched the original DBZ Movie 12, and I REALLY noticed it when I started watching DBGT online and compared it to the VHS tapes I had of DBGT. (Just so you guys know, the soundtrack for DBGT was absolutely atrocious in the American dub.)

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Post by djkalteraphine » Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:26 am

Kendamu wrote:
Magica wrote:When Season 3 first came out on TV. Words can't express how disappointed my friend and I were hearing the new voice acting for the first time, especially Vegeta.

Eventually got used to it, though.
Vegeta, like the rest at the beginning of Season 3, were very disappointing. However, I actually cringed the worst over Kuririn.
Kuririn was the first voice I got used to when I bought my Ginyu VHS tapes. Then it was Ginyu, and the rest of the Tokusentai. Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta took me quite awhile, almost the whole volume.

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Post by Kendamu » Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:47 am

djkalteraphine wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
Magica wrote:When Season 3 first came out on TV. Words can't express how disappointed my friend and I were hearing the new voice acting for the first time, especially Vegeta.

Eventually got used to it, though.
Vegeta, like the rest at the beginning of Season 3, were very disappointing. However, I actually cringed the worst over Kuririn.
Kuririn was the first voice I got used to when I bought my Ginyu VHS tapes. Then it was Ginyu, and the rest of the Tokusentai. Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta took me quite awhile, almost the whole volume.
I'm still a fogey that prefers the Canadian cast over the Texas cast, but I'm not going to be a dick just for the sake of being a dick. Once the current "Kuririn voice" started to develop more into what you hear today, I started liking it more.

Personally, I remember getting used to Gohan's voice the fastest.

I'm still disappointed that the Canadian DBZ dub's best projects only consist of the first three DBZ movies, though. I would've liked them to at least gotten far enough that I would've been able to hear Drummond's Vegeta with Japanese BGM.

Oh, and I'm also disappointed because I don't have a Japanese PlayStation or PlayStation 2. This means I can't play the best DBZ game in the history of ever.

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Post by djkalteraphine » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:09 am

Kendamu wrote:I'm still a fogey that prefers the Canadian cast over the Texas cast, but I'm not going to be a dick just for the sake of being a dick. Once the current "Kuririn voice" started to develop more into what you hear today, I started liking it more.
Ah, I got into it with the Canadian cast (obviously), and then started watching the Japanese version. In fact, with the exception of the first two "seasons", and some of "season" three, I saw everything in Japanese first. So, when the Texas cast took over, I wasn't new to the concept of different voices for the characters I loved. Because of this, I don't really prefer one cast over any other; Stephanie Nadolny is my favorite Goku, Ryo Horikawa is my favorite Vegeta, and Scott McNeil is my favorite Piccolo, for example.

That being said, my favorite version is the Japanese. But that's being of script, not cast. I think both Canadian and Texas casts have their great voices, their okay ones, and their duds.

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Post by Sn4tcH » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:50 am

I think them dropping the ball on Gohan after Cell is my biggest disappointment. It's so bothersome that even though I've been a fan of Dragonball for 13 years, and I've never completely watched the Majin Buu arc or any of GT.

The story just kind of ends with the Cell games for me. Goku dies, passes on the torch to his son, it's perfect ending.
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Post by Rocketman » Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:10 am

AnzuMazaki wrote:Yeah, Bulma was made into yet another housewife :cry: Which was ironic as when she was created she wasn't a love interest for Vegeta.

and the whole "Earth Faries are boring maybe I should just give up drawing them completly and spend more time on the saiyans :x " thing pisses me off too. :evil:

I WANTED THE EARTH FAIRIES TO HAVE A MAJOR ROLE TOO!!! AND SAME WITH THE KIDS. :cry:
What the hell is an 'Earth fairy'?

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Post by Kendamu » Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:55 am

djkalteraphine wrote:
Kendamu wrote:I'm still a fogey that prefers the Canadian cast over the Texas cast, but I'm not going to be a dick just for the sake of being a dick. Once the current "Kuririn voice" started to develop more into what you hear today, I started liking it more.
Ah, I got into it with the Canadian cast (obviously), and then started watching the Japanese version. In fact, with the exception of the first two "seasons", and some of "season" three, I saw everything in Japanese first. So, when the Texas cast took over, I wasn't new to the concept of different voices for the characters I loved. Because of this, I don't really prefer one cast over any other; Stephanie Nadolny is my favorite Goku, Ryo Horikawa is my favorite Vegeta, and Scott McNeil is my favorite Piccolo, for example.

That being said, my favorite version is the Japanese. But that's being of script, not cast. I think both Canadian and Texas casts have their great voices, their okay ones, and their duds.
I would've probably gotten used to the Texas cast a whole lot faster had they started out sounding a little more similar to how they sound today.

What I mean by that is that Sabat started out trying to impersonate Drummond and then it eventually kind of became its own thing over the years with very little Drummond influence. If the voices were to have started out more as their own interpretations and less like imitations, I would've seen the new cast as "another version" a lot sooner and accepted that cast a lot quicker.

Nowadays, with the exception of a few voices, the Texas cast is alright. They're not the Canadian cast that I like better, they're definitely not the Japanese cast that I like best, but I'm not gonna be a douche and put them in the same category as the Final Bout cast (for the American release, obviously). Hell, I can even imagine the Texas cast saying the lines from the VIZ manga while I read it and be satisfied.

Its the script that I'm disappointed with. Well, Dragonball through the end of Season 2 of Dragonball Z is pretty good, but after that we start getting into a lot of "pop goes the weasel" stuff.

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Post by saiyanprincess » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:19 pm

I found the training with King Kai and the journey along Snake Way quite dissapointing.

It was quite comedic I give Akira that, however it started to drag along when Goku was chasing Bubbles and then Gregory with the huge hammer.

I think if we actually saw him being trained a little more, and also saw how he learned his new techniques I.E the spirit bomb, it would have made those few episodes REALLY great!

I also thought the movie featuring Janemba was a bit of a let down :(
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Post by DemonKingPiccolo » Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:37 pm

With the canon series, I was always disappointed with the lack of creativity in the series past the Freeza arc. What I felt when I watched or read the series pre Cell arc, it was total and pure randomness, with a constant sense of adventure, giving you the sense that you never knew what Toriyama was going to throw at you next.

The Cell arc failed miserably at this. Not so much the plot, but the Cell arc itself was essentially a recycled idea. Androids had already been a major part in the series during the Red Ribbon arc, the Super Saiyan was nothing more than modified, and even Cell himself was simply a composite of all the series' memorable villians. The only original concept that came out of the Cell arc was the idea that Goku felt that he had achieved everything that he wanted to, and that there would need to be a replacement, and the first and only choice was obviously Gohan.

Then the Boo arc rolls around, which was a disaster. The entire arc was nothing more than a huge power display, with an unoriginal plot and no adventure. Even the first stage of Super Saiyan was essentially made into a joke when Goten and Trunks were able to use it. Gohan, again, was the choice as the sucessor, but Toriyama allowed himself to succomb to the demands of the fans, and essentially let the fans write the story. This is why the series fell apart after the Freeza arc.

Also there's the fact that the actual Dragon Balls serve almost no purpose past the Freeza arc, which makes the title "Dragon Ball" seem a bit inappropriate for the later series.

Movies 4-13 I was disappointed with. The first three (although they presented major plotholes) were at least half way decent because there were long, strung out fights. The fights in the later movies were terrible. With a single hit, some of the characters were out.

The TV specials weren't too bad. I actually liked Burdock one.
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Post by Freeza93 » Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:54 pm

DemonKingPiccolo wrote:
Movies 4-13 I was disappointed with. The first three (although they presented major plotholes) were at least half way decent because there were long, strung out fights. The fights in the later movies were terrible. With a single hit, some of the characters were out.
I would think that that was a good thing.
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Post by Sophos » Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:32 pm

DemonKingPiccolo wrote:With the canon series, I was always disappointed with the lack of creativity in the series past the Freeza arc. What I felt when I watched or read the series pre Cell arc, it was total and pure randomness, with a constant sense of adventure, giving you the sense that you never knew what Toriyama was going to throw at you next.

The Cell arc failed miserably at this. Not so much the plot, but the Cell arc itself was essentially a recycled idea. Androids had already been a major part in the series during the Red Ribbon arc, the Super Saiyan was nothing more than modified, and even Cell himself was simply a composite of all the series' memorable villians. The only original concept that came out of the Cell arc was the idea that Goku felt that he had achieved everything that he wanted to, and that there would need to be a replacement, and the first and only choice was obviously Gohan.

Then the Boo arc rolls around, which was a disaster. The entire arc was nothing more than a huge power display, with an unoriginal plot and no adventure. Even the first stage of Super Saiyan was essentially made into a joke when Goten and Trunks were able to use it. Gohan, again, was the choice as the sucessor, but Toriyama allowed himself to succomb to the demands of the fans, and essentially let the fans write the story. This is why the series fell apart after the Freeza arc.

Also there's the fact that the actual Dragon Balls serve almost no purpose past the Freeza arc, which makes the title "Dragon Ball" seem a bit inappropriate for the later series.

Movies 4-13 I was disappointed with. The first three (although they presented major plotholes) were at least half way decent because there were long, strung out fights. The fights in the later movies were terrible. With a single hit, some of the characters were out.

The TV specials weren't too bad. I actually liked Burdock one.
Well, he didn't seem to want to keep writing it after about the Frieza arc, so can we really blame him? It should come as no surprise that the canon series began to become so mechanical, and losing the organic flavor it had earlier on.

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Re: Disappointments/let-downs?

Post by Big Momma » Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:45 pm

mAcChaos wrote:it's just that after Goku died he lost the confidence he had and went back to the scared kid that didn't know how to use his power, that made it a close fight.
Yeah, I can see how your father dying can get to you.



There were a few dissapointments for me in dragonball.

The Entire Boo arc. The final fight with Kid Boo was great, but the ending wasn't. I was hyped up for Goku letting the next generation take over, but that didn't happen.

And Dragonball GT....mainly the Cell and Furiza/Freeza/Freeza fight. It sucked, a lot.
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Post by Raki » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:57 pm

Another letdown for me is the lack of build in the Cell Arc for Gohan to be the main hero. Wouldn't have been better to have him fight the Androids with the others?
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