Why does Vegeta still insist on using Goku's original Saiyan name?

[DBZAOTA482]

Gokuu is also not particularly educated on things like gender, either. His character doesn't come across as if his gender matters to him at all.

"Don't talk so pathetically Ha-Chan, men can't give up."

Between lines like that and telling Bulma that Grandpa Gohan taught him to be polite to girls and that time he complained about girls having it easy when he's carrying an unconscious Bulma on his back I feel like Goku probably does have some concepts of gender.

Yeah, he just couldn't tell the difference by appearance since he never met a female before Bulma.

He also has no qualms hitting women seeing how he handle Blonde Lunch and Caulifla / Kale.

[ATA]

All right... In any event...

I think it's a lot stranger for fans to call Goku "Kakarrot" than Vegeta doing it. With Vegeta, it's like a nickname. It's like when a coach calls you by a name you don't want to be called by, but you ignore it and roll with it. Or someone creates a nickname/pet name that you don't like.

But when the fans do it, it's a like eye-rolling. People are free to enjoy the series however and I guess in return can call him whatever they want, but it's like: why? For what purpose? It comes off as trying to be disruptive and inviting conflict when someone goes, "Why the hell are you calling him that?" Because he is presented 100% as "Son Goku" and not "Kakarrot."

This how I feel when fans call 17 and 18, Lapis and Lazuli. They are never called that in the series. It's a fun fact sure but...it's just cringe in my opinion and reeks of "I'm a real fan that know their true names!!"

[Grimlock]

Whatever implication you get from that (which I'd argue it's just you projecting things that might not exist at all), it is unfortunate that they still haven't been called by their actual names in the series. It's incredibly stupid and cringe for her husband and brother to still call her "android 18".

It's high time their names were once spoken out loud at least once. Needless to say, this goes to Mark as well (MiStEr SaTaN!1!11!1! You know, a lot of "problems" kids may have had could have been avoided if they called him "Mark" since the beginning. Try to picture parents catching their kids watching a cartoon where people are yelling "Satan" ).

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Whatever implication you get from that (which I'd argue it's just you projecting things that might not exist at all), it is unfortunate that they still haven't been called by their actual names in the series. It's incredibly stupid and cringe for her husband and brother to still call her "android 18".

It's high time their names were once spoken out loud at least once. Needless to say, this goes to Mark as well (MiStEr SaTaN!1!11!1! You know, a lot of "problems" kids may have had could have been avoided if they called him "Mark" since the beginning. Try to picture parents catching their kids watching a cartoon where people are yelling "Satan" ).

I would't call it projection. More-so generalizing. Most likely 18 and 17 don't go by their real names in the show for consistency and marketing reasons. Everyone knows 18 and 17 as 18 and 17. In-Universe you can chalk it up to them not identifing with being (full) humans so why use their human names. That's my headcanon at least.

[Ten na nGael]

You'll see this in Western fiction as well, say novels set in the 19th Century where a character might have been born in Cherokee culture but now goes by "John" until somebody from his tribe shows up and calls him by his Cherokee name. Like Kryptonians often call Superman Kal-El. It's just supposed to be who he is in their culture and is meant to confront the character with their heritage.

[DiloVortexx]

This how I feel when fans call 17 and 18, Lapis and Lazuli. They are never called that in the series. It's a fun fact sure but...it's just cringe in my opinion and reeks of "I'm a real fan that know their true names!!"

i mean i dont personally see the issue in using their names if its in the canon lore (now if it was a deadname that would be a different story for obvious reasons)

again we have already established gokû doesnt mind being called and using his saiyan name kakarrotto/kakarrot, so i doubt 17 and 18 would mind being called lapis and lazuli either? : o
and maybe.. they would finally feel some joy at being called their real names again? idk thats just my take tho jskdjkfjg

You'll see this in Western fiction as well, say novels set in the 19th Century where a character might have been born in Cherokee culture but now goes by "John" until somebody from his tribe shows up and calls him by his Cherokee name. Like Kryptonians often call Superman Kal-El. It's just supposed to be who he is in their culture and is meant to confront the character with their heritage.

YEAH thats a good take
and tbh its a good trope too (as long as it aint revolving around being a deadname thing and ofc if the character being called their original name doesnt mind being called it )

gives more of an excuse to explore indigenous culture in fictional media which hell yea gimme that tea

[TheGreatness25]

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All right... In any event...

I think it's a lot stranger for fans to call Goku "Kakarrot" than Vegeta doing it. With Vegeta, it's like a nickname. It's like when a coach calls you by a name you don't want to be called by, but you ignore it and roll with it. Or someone creates a nickname/pet name that you don't like.

But when the fans do it, it's a like eye-rolling. People are free to enjoy the series however and I guess in return can call him whatever they want, but it's like: why? For what purpose? It comes off as trying to be disruptive and inviting conflict when someone goes, "Why the hell are you calling him that?" Because he is presented 100% as "Son Goku" and not "Kakarrot."

This how I feel when fans call 17 and 18, Lapis and Lazuli. They are never called that in the series. It's a fun fact sure but...it's just cringe in my opinion and reeks of "I'm a real fan that know their true names!!"

I totally agree.

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This how I feel when fans call 17 and 18, Lapis and Lazuli. They are never called that in the series. It's a fun fact sure but...it's just cringe in my opinion and reeks of "I'm a real fan that know their true names!!"

i mean i dont personally see the issue in using their names if its in the canon lore (now if it was a deadname that would be a different story for obvious reasons)

again we have already established gokû doesnt mind being called and using his saiyan name kakarrotto/kakarrot, so i doubt 17 and 18 would mind being called lapis and lazuli either? : o
and maybe.. they would finally feel some joy at being called their real names again? idk thats just my take tho jskdjkfjg

We're venturing into head canon territory honestly. However I can't agree that just because Goku doesn't mind Saiyans calling him Kakarot doesn't mean that same works 17 & 18. As they're 3 different characters. It's also not outside the realm of possibility they don't have recollection of their human lives beyond the fact that they are siblings.

[Grimlock]

More-so generalizing.

Something you should seriously avoid doing it. It's dangerous.

Most likely 18 and 17 don't go by their real names in the show for consistency and marketing reasons. Everyone knows 18 and 17 as 18 and 17.

That's correct. But still not a strong enough excuse to not use their real names.

[super michael]

C18 signed up to the tournament as Number 18, seems she prefers her number for a name than her actual name.

As for C17 he never said what his real name is.

Basically I doubt C17 and C17 revealed their real names to anyone. If no one knows their real name, how can anyone call them anything other than C17 and C18.

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More-so generalizing.

Something you should seriously avoid doing it. It's dangerous.

In this situation it's not that deep. All I said it was cringe. Not a big deal as you're making it seem.

[Grimlock]

That and...

and reeks of "I'm a real fan that know their true names!!"

Don't jump to this conclusion unless you are certain the person you are talking to is one of those. Although the best thing to do is to always ask the person why they are using the real names. Things (however stupid they can be) can easily escalate into a big deal in a blink of an eye.

[ATA]

That and...

and reeks of "I'm a real fan that know their true names!!"

Don't come to this conclusion unless you are certain the person you are talking to is one of those. Although the best thing to do is to always ask the person why they are using the real names. Things (however stupid they can be) can easily and quickly escalate into a big deal in a blink of an eye.

In every instance I've encountered it was this. Does that mean literally every person is like that no. Once again the subject of 18 and 17 name isn't that big of a deal. We're at a deadend here lol.

[dva_raza]

However I can't agree that just because Goku doesn't mind Saiyans calling him Kakarot doesn't mean that same works 17 & 18.
As they're 3 different characters.

Lol that’s a confusing phrasing but if what you’re suggesting is that unlike Goku the androids maybe do mind being called 18 and 17, I think the most obvious indication that they don’t is that they call each other and themselves that.
Goku only did it once and it seemed more a formality.

It's dangerous.

Anyway I kinda thought people who use Lazuli just do because it's a nice name, not to be pretentious as in the case of calling Goku Kakarot.

[Kamiccolo9]

You'll see this in Western fiction as well, say novels set in the 19th Century where a character might have been born in Cherokee culture but now goes by "John" until somebody from his tribe shows up and calls him by his Cherokee name. Like Kryptonians often call Superman Kal-El. It's just supposed to be who he is in their culture and is meant to confront the character with their heritage.

Actually, I think the Native American experience is an excellent example of "deadnaming" outside of the transgender community. Native children were taken and forced into western schools where their cultural identity was stifled and replaced, including their names. The use of westernized names for native children was an attempt to show disdain for, and strike down their culture and identity, much as it is in the transgender community today. "Deadnaming" is part of a larger phenomenon of weaponizing names to strike in a cultural war that is seen countless times throughout history. Not just for people, even, see the Kyiv/Kiev situation for an example of how the name of a place affects cultural identity.

Kinda went off topic there, sorry

[Ten na nGael]

Kinda went off topic there, sorry

No worries, I know what you mean. We had a somewhat similar thing in Ireland where people had to switch to Anglophone names from Gaelic originals to survive economically. It's a complicated issue.

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However I can't agree that just because Goku doesn't mind Saiyans calling him Kakarot doesn't mean that same works 17 & 18.
As they're 3 different characters.

Lol that’s a confusing phrasing but if what you’re suggesting is that unlike Goku the androids maybe do mind being called 18 and 17, I think the most obvious indication that they don’t is that they call each other and themselves that.
Goku only did it once and it seemed more a formality.

It's dangerous.

Anyway I kinda thought people who use Lazuli just do because it's a nice name, not to be pretentious as in the case of calling Goku Kakarot.

My apologies for the typo. I was trying to say that just because Goku is okay with Kakarot doesn't mean 18 and 17 are okay with people calling them their original names. As they are 3 different characters. Does that help?

[dva_raza]

My apologies for the typo. I was trying to say that just because Goku is okay with Kakarot doesn't mean 18 and 17 are okay with people calling them their original names. As they are 3 different characters. Does that help?

if what you’re suggesting is that unlike Goku the androids maybe do mind being called 18 and 17, I think the most obvious indication that they don’t is that they call each other and themselves that.
Goku only did it once and it seemed more a formality.

Does this help? ^

[ATA]

My apologies for the typo. I was trying to say that just because Goku is okay with Kakarot doesn't mean 18 and 17 are okay with people calling them their original names. As they are 3 different characters. Does that help?

if what you’re suggesting is that unlike Goku the androids maybe do mind being called 18 and 17, I think the most obvious indication that they don’t is that they call each other and themselves that.
Goku only did it once and it seemed more a formality.

Does this help? ^

I wasn't suggesting 18 and 17 don't like being called 18 and 17 lol. I'm saying that's what they want.

[dva_raza]

I wasn't suggesting 18 and 17 don't like being called 18 and 17 lol. I'm saying that's what they want.

???...

Lol how in the world is that what you said here?

doesn't mean 18 and 17 are okay with people calling them their original names.