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Personally, I think "re-arrangement" might be more fitting to use. But there probably weren't any if you can't recall them.DB1984 wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:36 pm Besides the title card, eyecatches, and NEPs, what other Yamamoto tracks were leitmotifs of others? The ones I mentioned were leitmotifs of Dragon Soul and both 1.0 ending themes.
There was a way, and that was Ocean Kai. Not surprising Hulu didn't go that route though, since Canada isn't included.GhostEmperorX wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 5:04 pm Already knew that this would be a botched release somehow, there was just no way around that massive scandal during the broadcast.
They also could have just released all of Home Video Kai or all of Nicktoons Kai instead of electing to randomly mix the two inDragon Ball Ireland wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 7:45 amThere was a way, and that was Ocean Kai. Not surprising Hulu didn't go that route though, since Canada isn't included.GhostEmperorX wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 5:04 pm Already knew that this would be a botched release somehow, there was just no way around that massive scandal during the broadcast.
Hmm, it still hasn't seen the light of day until now, pretty much given up on it ever being a thing.Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 7:45 amThere was a way, and that was Ocean Kai. Not surprising Hulu didn't go that route though, since Canada isn't included.
It would take more than the 0 percent effort Toei wants to put in it. I doubt it would cost much to pay their music editor to insert pre-existing Sumitomo tracks into Kai 1.0 but why would they bother?DB1984 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:57 pm Here's a question I don't think has been asked before: Why don't they re-score Kai 1.0 with Sumitomo's compositions? Or would that have been a budget-buster?
A bit late seeing this post, but just wanted to say thanks for the keen eye and detective work on this! I genuinely facepalmed and laughed when I read the part about Nicktoons footage being used.OmegaRockman wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 5:07 pm Things I noticed:
- The audio in the opening and NEP in Episode 1 sound kinda funky, like something went wrong while re-editing/re-encoding the episode for streaming. And the episode is indeed slightly re-edited; they corrected the opening in Episode 1 using the Japanese logo (Dragon Ball Kai without the Z) to be the US logo. That was something a lot of people noted when the home release came out back in 2010.
- They used the Nicktoons TV masters for some episodes. I looked through them all because I'm a crazy person, so I can tell you it affects the following episodes: 2, 3, 5, 6, 9, 27, 54, 59, 60, 61, 65, 67, 71, 73, 76, 80, 82, 88, and 97.
- While checking for which episodes used the Nicktoons masters, I noticed that the Closed Captions on Episode 37 are a subtitle translation for the Japanese track and not proper CCs for the dub (I assume the Simmons subs). There may be more examples of this; this is just the one I caught.
How long has the franchise been cursed? I'd say ever since the Ultimate Uncut Edition DVDs were suddenly and unexpectedly cancelled by Funimation.
The day it was licensed through nepotism
I'd be inclined to agree but then Harmony Gold of all people got their hands on the series license even before that.
Harmony Gold never really got anywhere with it so I can't really called it cursed. That's more of a narrowly avoided train wreckGhostEmperorX wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:02 pmI'd be inclined to agree but then Harmony Gold of all people got their hands on the series license even before that.
Guess that was just a preview though, since amid all their more ridiculous changes, the soundtrack somehow remained as it was (far as I've seen, what with the OP's instrumental stem being dubbed over like the "Star Blazers" days).
Good point. They dropped it as soon as it didn't go anywhere, meanwhile FUNimation just kept on poisoning the well, one bad decision and release after the other.MasenkoHA wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2023 12:53 pmHarmony Gold never really got anywhere with it so I can't really called it cursed. That's more of a narrowly avoided train wreck
Howdy. Do you mind explaining how nepotism plays a role in this? I generally don't know the history of Dragon Ball's releases. I always rewatched Dragon Ball via Youtube("Full Fight No Filler" was the good ole days), Hulu, and now CrunchyRoll.
Funimation was able to secure the license for Dragon Ball despite being a brand new start up company with no experience with anime simply because Gen Fukanaga (Funimation founder and former CEO) was the nephew of a higher up at Toei, despite other more seasoned and deserving companies expressing interest in licensing Dragon Ball, including U.S Renditions, who were all set to get the license until Funimation swiped it from under themATA wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:30 pmHowdy. Do you mind explaining how nepotism plays a role in this? I generally don't know the history of Dragon Ball's releases. I always rewatched Dragon Ball via Youtube("Full Fight No Filler" was the good ole days), Hulu, and now CrunchyRoll.
And given that the (presently deceased) Nagafumi Hori was a producer at the main company, in particular on the Tokusatsu side of things rather than the animation division, one has to wonder if people like him there were also responsible for other instances of approving of Toei IP's getting remade and imported into the US (Super Sentai, initially Kamen Rider, etc). Since apparently he was in on the Funimation plot (basically what it was) from the beginning, just what is it exactly that he was thinking when he proposed this idea to his nephew? Guess we'll never know.MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:47 pm Funimation was able to secure the license for Dragon Ball despite being a brand new start up company with no experience with anime simply because Gen Fukanaga (Funimation founder and former CEO) was the nephew of a higher up at Toei
Pretty sure he was thinking he was doing his nephew solid by helping his nephew's start-up company acquired Toei's then number 1 property.GhostEmperorX wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:01 pm , just what is it exactly that he was thinking when he proposed this idea to his nephew? Guess we'll never know.
That's certainly true, although it was generally the same deal for other such companies like HG, they got it the professional way (not entirely sure how legal it was for certain cases though).MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:36 pmSay what you will about Saban (the company and the person) but at least Super Sentai wasn't acquired by nepotism and the concept of dubbing over the masked action footage and refilming civilian footage with American actors dates back to 1982 when Stan Lee attempted it with Sun Vulcan before being shot down by tv networks because the show was "too violent and dumb"
No it didnt, what Stan Lee and his boss Margaret Loesch did was that they DUBBED the footage, they didnt add any new anything other than dubbing the footage and according to her removing the more controversial bits of violent footage such as human characters hitting each other instead of just the monsters. The series she tried to work with was Sun Vulcan.MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:36 pmPretty sure he was thinking he was doing his nephew solid by helping his nephew's start-up company acquired Toei's then number 1 property.GhostEmperorX wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:01 pm , just what is it exactly that he was thinking when he proposed this idea to his nephew? Guess we'll never know.
Say what you will about Saban (the company and the person) but at least Super Sentai wasn't acquired by nepotism and the concept of dubbing over the masked action footage and refilming civilian footage with American actors dates back to 1982 when Stan Lee attempted it with Sun Vulcan before being shot down by tv networks because the show was "too violent and dumb"
