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by Dragon Ball Ireland » Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:18 am
90sDBZ wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:51 amWhat's interesting is the Westwood dub always had the exact same dialogue in this scene, meaning it must have been part of an earlier print of Funi's dub that was removed and then added back in for the remastered dub.
The prevailing hypothesis is that when Ocean began distributing Funimation's inhouse dub to YTV they received the raw materials like voice tracks, the original masters with the Faulconer Productions score (before the placement was changed for Toonami in the US) and of course Funimation's video. The fact Ocean had their own edit of Funimation's dub, which exclusively aired on YTV indicates that they had these materials and used them to assemble their own cut. If Ocean had a copy of Funimation's scripts, and Funimation later cut Goku's monologue from it would explain why the Westwood dub had Kirby Morrow read those lines. If Ocean's editors weren't informed about the changes made to the Faulconer score it stands to reason they wouldn't have been told about any revisions Funimation later made to their scripts for the original dub. We know this is the case because the YTV placement mirrors what you hear on the orange bricks whereas the original Funimation dub has a different placement of the score.
Maybe Funimation reincluded the monologue for the orange bricks because they wanted to make them more "uncut" by containing the line about how Boo would now know what its like to have his life taken away against his will? As a kid that line stood out to me, it was very poignant for a dub that shyed away from references to death for much of its run.
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by MasenkoHA » Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:45 am
Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:18 am
Maybe Funimation reincluded the monologue for the orange bricks because they wanted to make them more "uncut" by containing the line about how Boo would now know what its like to have his life taken away against his will? As a kid that line stood out to me, it was very poignant for a dub that shyed away from references to death for much of its run.
It was probably re-included for the same reason all the other lines were; because it was part of the rough cut Funimation was using and they didn't think to take it out
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by WittyUsername » Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:53 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:14 pm
90sDBZ wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 8:03 pm
I know a common complaint is Sean not redubbing Season 3 Goku, while Sabat redubbed Vegeta. Personally it didn't bother me too much, because while Sabat's Vegeta had a totally different voice, Sean's actual Goku voice hadn't changed much despite his acting/delivery being much improved.
That seemed to be Funimation's logic too. It was less about improving past performances (otherwise Sabat would he redubbing all his characters in season 3) and more about making sure the characters at least sound like its the same person from the first 67 episodes.
People always single out Schemmel's Goku, but seriously, listen to how bad Moron Piccolo sounds in the Frieza saga coming off the first 67 episodes, or Valley Girl Bulma
For me the biggest downside is the loss of Dale Kelly's performances. His narrator really fit Funimation's approach, and I enjoyed his Ginyu too.
I dunno, with the remastered dub defaulting to the Kikuchi score I think Dale Kelly's over the top big ham Monster Truck announcer narration would have clashed horribly with the music. Much less dissonance with Hebert's generic action movie of the week announcer voice.
And also the missing voice filters for certain characters. I loved the way Super Buu sounded originally, with his voice suddenly going high-pitched during screams.
Also without the filter Justin Cook's Super Buu is just his Raditz voice, which is just an evil version of his angry Yusuke voice.
Obviously the missing voice filters were an oversight from using a rough cut of the dub as a basis, but the only improvement was Frieza's third form no longer sounding like a fusion of his first and second form. That was such a weird decision and he sounds better just having the same voice as his pitched down second form.
FUNimation also redubbed a number of background characters in season 3, as well as a few characters in the Garlic Jr. episodes, so it seems like there were a number of things from season 3 they were embarrassed by. In terms of why Piccolo wasn’t redubbed, maybe it would’ve been too much of a hassle for Chris Sabat, since he was already redubbing all of Vegeta’s lines?
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by Codarik » Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:55 am
DB1984 wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:10 pmthey made some line flubs (i.e. King Kai suddenly talking about Planet Vegeta in episode 36, when he was supposed to be talking about Planet Namek), removed vocal effects, made unnecessary music changes (when they remember Goku after he decides to stay dead), made unnecessary changes to the dub like Piccolo's "At least you're not as dumb as I am" (what was wrong with the original "You're not as dumb as you look"?)
The line where King Kai is talking about Namek was fixed in the Blu-ray release, though Piccolo's "dumb" line wasn't. There were many line flubs that were present in the DVD season sets that were fixed in the 2014 Blu-ray season sets.