Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga(Kid Buu, Gotenks and Gohan).

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Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga(Kid Buu, Gotenks and Gohan).

Post by Eu sou Perfeito » Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:58 pm

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Re: Comparing the European versions of The Legendary Manga (Spanish, French and Greek).

Post by sangofe » Fri Jan 12, 2024 7:35 am

How is this comparing the european version of the manga? For example, the manga had many different releases in France and are getting full color releases now.

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Re: Comparing the European versions of The Legendary Manga (Spanish, French and Greek).

Post by Magnificent Ponta » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:38 pm

sangofe wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 7:35 am How is this comparing the european version of the manga? For example, the manga had many different releases in France and are getting full color releases now.
The OP isn't comparing European localisations of the original Manga; they're referring to a supplementary booklet series published in four different languages: Le Manga de Légende (French), El Manga Legendario (Spanish), Il Manga Leggendario (Italian), and Το θρυλικό Manga (Greek). The booklet series accompanies a line of figurines; the whole product was commissioned by French publisher Hachette, which approached Shueisha for the figurine sculpting and the text that went into the accompanying 50-issue booklet series. This seems to have been composed by, among others, some of the individuals who had input into the Daizenshuu.

Although the first-published line seems to have been in French, the Spanish version is the best-known in internet circles. The booklet series as a whole has attracted interest because of its tendency to give statements about power levels that aren't found in the Manga, Daizenshuu, or other Guidebooks (e.g., Trunks being 10 times stronger in his SSj Grade III form; Kaioshin being probably around the strength of SSJ Cell Games Goku; Kid Buu not being the strongest form of Buu), and its unusual provenance as apparently being composed in Japanese from official sources, but never published in Japanese but rather in these four languages, thus only existing in translation - moreover, there are occasionally some quite significant differences between the versions.

I did a survey of the French Version to see what it had to say, and gave some basic comparisons with what was said in the same passages in the Spanish Version (apologies for any error introduced by my rusty schoolboy command of French...); it seems the OP wants to do something similar with 3 of the versions (French, Spanish, and Greek - but not Italian...), looking at a couple of the pages from issue 49 of the series to highlight some of the differences. It would be nice to have more information on the extent of the differences that may be in the Italian and Greek Versions.

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Re: Comparing the European versions of The Legendary Manga (Spanish, French and Greek).

Post by Saiya6Cit » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:37 pm

Magnificent Ponta wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:38 pm
sangofe wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 7:35 am How is this comparing the european version of the manga? For example, the manga had many different releases in France and are getting full color releases now.
The OP isn't comparing European localisations of the original Manga; they're referring to a supplementary booklet series published in four different languages: Le Manga de Légende (French), El Manga Legendario (Spanish), Il Manga Leggendario (Italian), and Το θρυλικό Manga (Greek). The booklet series accompanies a line of figurines; the whole product was commissioned by French publisher Hachette, which approached Shueisha for the figurine sculpting and the text that went into the accompanying 50-issue booklet series. This seems to have been composed by, among others, some of the individuals who had input into the Daizenshuu.

Although the first-published line seems to have been in French, the Spanish version is the best-known in internet circles. The booklet series as a whole has attracted interest because of its tendency to give statements about power levels that aren't found in the Manga, Daizenshuu, or other Guidebooks (e.g., Trunks being 10 times stronger in his SSj Grade III form; Kaioshin being probably around the strength of SSJ Cell Games Goku; Kid Buu not being the strongest form of Buu), and its unusual provenance as apparently being composed in Japanese from official sources, but never published in Japanese but rather in these four languages, thus only existing in translation - moreover, there are occasionally some quite significant differences between the versions.

I did a survey of the French Version to see what it had to say, and gave some basic comparisons with what was said in the same passages in the Spanish Version (apologies for any error introduced by my rusty schoolboy command of French...); it seems the OP wants to do something similar with 3 of the versions (French, Spanish, and Greek - but not Italian...), looking at a couple of the pages from issue 49 of the series to highlight some of the differences. It would be nice to have more information on the extent of the differences that may be in the Italian and Greek Versions.
is it the version that they say it comes from an American DB fan who was living in Japan at the time that DB was being aired and he would write a description of the episodes, then he put it all together?

If that is the case in Mexico we used to have the Spanish version from Spain that some guy uploaded as text for a Hispanic forum called DOMO (I am talking of year 1997 here). Then people would print it and sell photocopies outside of elementary schools and middle school/highschol too.

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Re: Comparing the European versions of The Legendary Manga (Spanish, French and Greek).

Post by Magnificent Ponta » Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:48 pm

Saiya6Cit wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:37 pmis it the version that they say it comes from an American DB fan who was living in Japan at the time that DB was being aired and he would write a description of the episodes, then he put it all together?

If that is the case in Mexico we used to have the Spanish version from Spain that some guy uploaded as text for a Hispanic forum called DOMO (I am talking of year 1997 here). Then people would print it and sell photocopies outside of elementary schools and middle school/highschol too.
That's an interesting reminiscence of early global fandom.

But Le Manga de Légende/El Manga Legendario/etc. is an officially licensed publication (composed in 2007 and published through 2008-2010) that closely covers the Dragon Ball manga only; there's no apparent fan input, and no interaction with details from the Dragon Ball Anime. The articles and items are about manga scenes (the publications are very image-heavy, all of which comes either directly from the Manga or else from related artwork by Toriyama) and factoids (sometimes made into simple kids' puzzles and games for the readership), interviews and QA with Akira Toriyama, and interviews with the model sculptor(s) in the associated figurine line (also officially licensed, and also directly inspired by the Manga artwork).

It's quite a slick and professional product, overall, as would be expected of a proper publishing house.

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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by diraf78 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:41 am

Except in the Spanish version of this databook, there is absolutely no indication that Kid Buu has lost any power.

It is stated that Gohan, Gotenks and Goku should have fought together in order to defeat Kid Buu.

Moreover, they explained also that Buu has become stronger each time he transformed. Kid Buu would be the strongest one.

Finally, it id stated that the Super Genkidama gathered the whole ki of everyone.

It means that the whole ki of Gohan was not enough to kill Kid Buu.

Kid Buu > Gohan

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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by diraf78 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:02 am

In the Greek version, it is even stated that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu ever.

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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by TheRed259 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:06 pm

diraf78 wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:02 am In the Greek version, it is even stated that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu ever.
It actually says that "Buu has returned to his original stage, when he was stronger than ever". Elsewhere in issue 49, it also says that
"even though Buu came back more violent, if Gotenks and Gohan were around they could defeat him".

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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by diraf78 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 6:22 pm

No, you are wrong.

It is Said that they could beat him together, with the help of Goku.

Goku + Gohan + Gotenks are needed to defeat Kid Buu.
I will share you the French version which tell the same thing.

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It’s also the case for the italian one.

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It means that none of them should have been able to defeat Kid Buu in a 1 vs 1 fight.

You should look at the image : Goku , Gohan and Gotenks together. They had to fight together to defeat Kid Buu.

It is confirmed by the fact that the whole ki of Gohan was not enough to defeat Kid Buu during thé Super Genkidama.

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And it confirms that :

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It’s a mistranslation of the spanish version which led to all this.

This databook is from Hachette France.

The most reliable version is the french one and not the spanish one.

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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by TheRed259 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:08 pm

Well, neither in the Italian nor in the Greek version Goku is referred in that specific sentence as opposed to French one but I guess he is implied. Okay, maybe you're right.

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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by diraf78 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:13 am

TheRed259 wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:08 pm Well, neither in the Italian nor in the Greek version Goku is referred in that specific sentence as opposed to French one but I guess he is implied. Okay, maybe you're right.
Thank you !

It’s implied that Kid Buu is the strongest one of all Buu forms.

It’s time for everyone to admit it.

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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by p-hyvo » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:05 am

diraf78 wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:02 am In the Greek version, it is even stated that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu ever.

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Can you check the french version too? I'm curious since it is the original one

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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by Kaboom » Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:02 am

diraf78 wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:13 amIt’s implied that Kid Buu is the strongest one of all Buu forms.

It’s time for everyone to admit it.
Just because whoever compiled this book lacks basic reading comprehension doesn't mean I have to sacrifice mine.
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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:12 pm

Kaboom wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:02 am Just because whoever compiled this book lacks basic reading comprehension doesn't mean I have to sacrifice mine.
It's not even the book, these people are just desperate for evidence. The page is explicitly saying Gohan and Gotenks can defeat Kid Boo (Which is also said by Goku in the manga) and people want to interpret as Gohan and Gotenks together...
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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by p-hyvo » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:06 am

GreatSaiyaman123 wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:12 pm
Kaboom wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:02 am Just because whoever compiled this book lacks basic reading comprehension doesn't mean I have to sacrifice mine.
It's not even the book, these people are just desperate for evidence. The page is explicitly saying Gohan and Gotenks can defeat Kid Boo (Which is also said by Goku in the manga) and people want to interpret as Gohan and Gotenks together...
Well, really even in the manga Goku proposes to bring them there TOGETHER. It's never implied that any of them alone would have been enough.

If anything, there are many sources between daizenshuu, anime, and interviews with Toriyama and his coworkers that point to kid Buu being the strongest Buu and Goku being the strongest good guy respectively . Even the manga implies that really.

But it's ok, I get that maybe acting arrogantly and decide arbitrarily what to ignore and what not to match your pre existing idea is absolutely the best thing to do

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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by p-hyvo » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:18 am

diraf78 wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:13 am
TheRed259 wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:08 pm Well, neither in the Italian nor in the Greek version Goku is referred in that specific sentence as opposed to French one but I guess he is implied. Okay, maybe you're right.
Thank you !

It’s implied that Kid Buu is the strongest one of all Buu forms.

It’s time for everyone to admit it.
I think that the comments after yours really show how hard is for people to change their minds after decades of thinking something, even when faced with evidences of it, choosing arrogance and bias just to not admit to themselves that they've been wrong for all that time

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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by Shintoki » Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:16 am

Eu sou Perfeito wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:58 pm
salut à tous, je suis courant avec le francais. i made a thread in regards to this in an other place', ''EL manga legendario is not a canon dragon ball guidebook''


the tldr, this is exactly what i've been talking about elsewhere in how this booklet is being mistranslated cuz the original JP version wasn't released.

your interpretation of what the french text said is wrong btw, don't use google translate to satisfy your cognitive bias!
meme si boo est revenu à son état le plus agressif, c'est un adversaire que goku pouvait vaincre avec l'aide de gotenks et gohan
here is a proper TL of what was said: ''even though boo has returned in their most aggressive state, it's an adversary that goku can win against with the help of gotenks and gohan.

there u go, as explicitly stated as it goes on how if gohan and gotenks were there, boo would have been beaten, so i've got no idea how u come to that interpretation of yours other than maybe using some wonky goolge translations.
p-hyvo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:18 am
diraf78 wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:13 am
TheRed259 wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:08 pm Well, neither in the Italian nor in the Greek version Goku is referred in that specific sentence as opposed to French one but I guess he is implied. Okay, maybe you're right.
Thank you !

It’s implied that Kid Buu is the strongest one of all Buu forms.

It’s time for everyone to admit it.
I think that the comments after yours really show how hard is for people to change their minds after decades of thinking something, even when faced with evidences of it, choosing arrogance and bias just to not admit to themselves that they've been wrong for all that time
exactly, peopel would rather be wrong than admit they were mistaken, it's like as if they've committed a crime or something and can't confess lol.
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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by p-hyvo » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:43 am

Shintoki wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:16 am
Eu sou Perfeito wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:58 pm
salut à tous, je suis courant avec le francais. i made a thread in regards to this in an other place', ''EL manga legendario is not a canon dragon ball guidebook''


the tldr, this is exactly what i've been talking about elsewhere in how this booklet is being mistranslated cuz the original JP version wasn't released.

your interpretation of what the french text said is wrong btw, don't use google translate to satisfy your cognitive bias!
meme si boo est revenu à son état le plus agressif, c'est un adversaire que goku pouvait vaincre avec l'aide de gotenks et gohan
here is a proper TL of what was said: ''even though boo has returned in their most aggressive state, it's an adversary that goku can win against with the help of gotenks and gohan.

there u go, as explicitly stated as it goes on how if gohan and gotenks were there, boo would have been beaten, so i've got no idea how u come to that interpretation of yours other than maybe using some wonky goolge translations.
p-hyvo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:18 am
diraf78 wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:13 am

Thank you !

It’s implied that Kid Buu is the strongest one of all Buu forms.

It’s time for everyone to admit it.
I think that the comments after yours really show how hard is for people to change their minds after decades of thinking something, even when faced with evidences of it, choosing arrogance and bias just to not admit to themselves that they've been wrong for all that time
exactly, peopel would rather be wrong than admit they were mistaken, it's like as if they've committed a crime or something and can't confess lol.
Sometimes it's hard to exit your comfort zone and evolve past it. But at least, as time goes on I see more and more people accepting these new things and interpretations coming out so eventually people like those who choose to ignore things arbitrarily will eventually die out and disappear one day, crushed by evolutionary pressure like it happens with animals that don't adapt to their environment

And btw it's implied that Goku needed both Goten and Gotenks, so it's time to accept that Gohan alone wouldn't had been enough even remotely. Goku needed both of them to stall for something else

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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by Grimlock » Fri Jun 28, 2024 10:04 am

diraf78 wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:41 amMoreover, they explained also that Buu has become stronger each time he transformed. Kid Buu would be the strongest one.
You do realize how contradictory that is, right? If Buu becomes stronger each time he transformed, how can he be the strongest if he is the original one? Super Buu transforming into Buu is not your conventional transformation, it is reverting back to the original form.

(On a similar note: do people understand Freeza's transformations, or do they think his "first form" is his "base form" too? :think:).

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Re: Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga.

Post by Koitsukai » Fri Jun 28, 2024 10:24 am

It's nuts this is still on going.
We've seen Kid Buu fight, we know on what tier he belongs to, SS3 Goku put up a good fight and they were pretty even, Fat Buu wasn't that far off. I guess Super Vegito = Fat Buu > Buuhan.

Also, Grimlock just poked a huge hole on this non-sensical logic. Kid Buu is base Buu, and the other Buus are improvements on Base Buu. There's no way you are stronger in base than transformed. Why transform at all, if that's the case?? why fuse vs Buuhan then? why try to fuse vs Buutenks? lol
But we know DB fandom can't read.

But if critical thinking isn't your cup of tea, then take a look at what Takao Koyama had to say about Buuhan and BASE Buu
https://x.com/EmperorBigD/status/146497 ... 64?lang=es

I guess it's true what they say: it is hard for people to change their minds after decades of thinking something, even when faced with evidences of it.

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