Whats Nappa's power level?

KingBroly · Post by **KingBroly** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:39 pm

Was it 10,000? I thought Vegeta was 11,000 and Nappa was 10,000. It would make sense since Goku was 5,000 and he beat Nappa with Kaioken and could not keep up with Vegeta until kaioken time 3.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:21 pm

Nappa's power level was around 4000, when fully power up it was around 8000, hence the whole "It's over 8000" shock.

Vegeta's was somewhere around 18,000, and somewhere around 180,000 when oozaru, although most likely less do to fatigue and using his power to make the false moon.

KingBroly · Post by **KingBroly** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:22 pm

wow! So Vegeta got stronger than Ginyu Force.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:31 pm

Yeah, in Oozaru form (Full power) he was roughly equal to Captain Ginyu, but Ginyu was most likely faster, plus what are the odds of Captain Ginyu allowing Vegeta to turn oozaru, and not knowing about the whole tail thing.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:35 pm

omegacwa wrote:Yeah, in Oozaru form (Full power) he was roughly equal to Captain Ginyu, but Ginyu was most likely faster, plus what are the odds of Captain Ginyu allowing Vegeta to turn oozaru, and not knowing about the whole tail thing.

Actually, Oozaru Vegeta at full strength could likely kill Ginyu before Ginyu could remove his tail. Ginyu's power was 120,000 and he freaked out when Goku used the Kaioken to jump to 180,000.

But yeah, Vegeta was the second most powerful being in the universe, before he lost his tail. Hence 1) his ego and 2) his being so pissed when he lost it.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:40 pm

Yeah you are right, For some reason I thought Ginyu's power was 180,000. Eh, it's hard to remember.

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:47 pm

omegacwa already pointed out that Vegeta probably wasn't at 180,000 during his Ôzaru form. But yeah, normally, Vegeta's Ôzaru should be at 180,000, thus far outclassing Ginyu. It's easy to see why Freeza took the trouble to maintain Vegeta as his servant, because he was actually the second-strongest warrior in the empire. This goes for Raditz and Nappa, as well, who could reach powers of 15,000 and 80,000 respectively.
I mean, the Saiyans were extremely useful to Freeza, what with their incredible power as ôzarus. It's a shame for Freeza that the Saiyans weren't really the perfect, submissive henchmen...

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:49 pm

It's sad that Vegeta base form could kill oozaru Raditz.

KingBroly · Post by **KingBroly** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:22 pm

Could ape Nappa beat the Ginyu Force?

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:25 pm

Theoretically he could beat everyone except Ginyu himself. If I am thinking that the Ginyu forces levels were all around the 50,000 mark.

Fossilgojir · Post by **Fossilgojir** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:45 pm

Where did it say that the oozaru transformation multipiles a saiyan's power by ten? Was it something added to the anime for "dramatic" purposes or was it mentioned in the Daizenshuu?

djkalteraphine · Post by **djkalteraphine** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:19 pm

Fossilgojir wrote:Where did it say that the oozaru transformation multipiles a saiyan's power by ten? Was it something added to the anime for "dramatic" purposes or was it mentioned in the Daizenshuu?

Uh, I'm not really sure where it's mentioned, but I always remember the early Dragon Ball power levels putting Goku at 10 and his Oozaru at 100, pre-Turtle training.

And I doubt Oozaru Vegeta could kill Captain Ginyu. The numbers are arbitrary, at best. If Vegeta had the power to kill Freeza's greatest soldier, I'm pretty sure Freeza would've had him killed, seeing how he didn't trust Saiyajins.

Post by **Herms** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:24 pm

Fossilgojir wrote:Where did it say that the oozaru transformation multipiles a saiyan's power by ten? Was it something added to the anime for "dramatic" purposes or was it mentioned in the Daizenshuu?

It's from the manga. Vegeta mentions it to Goku when he turns into an Oozaru. However, Viz drastically changed this line in their translation.

djkalteraphine wrote:
Fossilgojir wrote:Where did it say that the oozaru transformation multipiles a saiyan's power by ten? Was it something added to the anime for "dramatic" purposes or was it mentioned in the Daizenshuu?
Uh, I'm not really sure where it's mentioned, but I always remember the early Dragon Ball power levels putting Goku at 10 and his Oozaru at 100, pre-Turtle training.

Those numbers both appear in Daizenshuu 7's battle power chart, and are reprinted in DragonBall Forever.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:24 pm

Fossilgojir wrote:Where did it say that the oozaru transformation multipiles a saiyan's power by ten? Was it something added to the anime for "dramatic" purposes or was it mentioned in the Daizenshuu?

Vegeta says it when he transforms in the manga.

djkalteraphine · Post by **djkalteraphine** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:26 pm

Herms wrote:
djkalteraphine wrote:
Fossilgojir wrote:Where did it say that the oozaru transformation multipiles a saiyan's power by ten? Was it something added to the anime for "dramatic" purposes or was it mentioned in the Daizenshuu?
Uh, I'm not really sure where it's mentioned, but I always remember the early Dragon Ball power levels putting Goku at 10 and his Oozaru at 100, pre-Turtle training.
Those numbers both appear in Daizenshuu 7's battle power chart, and are reprinted in DragonBall Forever.

Ah, thanks Herms. I saw them on old power level lists, kinda figured they might be from Daizenshuu.

Fossilgojir · Post by **Fossilgojir** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:31 pm

Herms wrote: Viz drastically changed this line in their translation.

Figures, so how bad was the change?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:46 pm

Fossilgojir wrote:
Herms wrote: Viz drastically changed this line in their translation.
Figures, so how bad was the change?

They turned it into a mockery of the old dubline where Goku says Vegeta killed his grandpa.

*Vegeta finishes transforming*
Goku: "I've..I've heard of apes like you!"
(page)
Goku: "My grandpa! You killed my grandpa!"
Oozaru Vegeta: "HAHA! Now that is a good one! A Saiyan is most powerful in its ape form...a Saiyan that still has its tail!"
*Goku flashes back and realizes he was the monster that smashed up the tournament and squished Grandpa Gohan*

Fossilgojir · Post by **Fossilgojir** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:55 pm

Sweet Dende I remeber that line!

No offence to the fans, but the Ocean group dub was a nightmare for me, even back then! Shame that Goku's realization was never touched apon again, it would have been interesting for him to meet his grandfather again after the Cell games.

djkalteraphine · Post by **djkalteraphine** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:03 pm

Fossilgojir wrote:Sweet Dende I remeber that line! No offence to the fans, but the Ocean group dub was a nightmare for me, even back then! Shame that Goku's realization was never touched apon again, it would have been interesting for him to meet his grandfather again after the Cell games.

Oh, totally. Gohan and Goku reunited was a really missed opportunity.

Post by **Herms** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:20 pm

To compare, the original goes like this:

Goku: Ho-how did you turn into that?!!!
*next page*
Goku: A g...giant monkey [Oozaru]...!!! A giant monkey monster!!!
Vegeta: I'll tell you something good...With a Saiyan that has become Oozaru, their battle power becomes ten times what is was as a human!!!!

Kanzenshuu

Whats Nappa's power level?

Whats Nappa's power level?

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