Toonami Rewind Block On Fridays.

[MasenkoHA]

Sadly Naruto and DBZKai ratings wont be revealed until they actually figure in the top 200 reruns. Sure DBZKai is pretty popular and HAS appeared on that list even now, but it is Sailor Moon that will be counted as a new show due to the new dub. Its like an entirely new show, different cast, different media ratings different everything. I think this will be a success for Toonami. There is certainly word of mouth hype.

The dub is also 10 years old and has been on Hulu and physical media for quite some time. It's not exactly new.


The Studiopolis dub is also trash but that's a whole other conversation

[Cure Dragon 255]

I meant new as in these are premieres to TV despite the shows and even the new dubs age.

And I really liked the Viz dub. It takes a while to fully gel and get great.

[MasenkoHA]

And I really liked the Viz dub. It takes a while to fully gel and get great.

To each their own, I guess. I'm happy that you like the Viz dub. For me even trying to watch episodes in the S season it amazed me that it still sounds like a fandub. It is impressive they managed to get mediocre performances out of Veronica Taylor and Wendee Lee.

[Cure Dragon 255]

And I really liked the Viz dub. It takes a while to fully gel and get great.

To each their own, I guess. I'm happy that you like the Viz dub. For me even trying to watch episodes in the S season it amazed me that it still sounds like a fandub. It is impressive they managed to get mediocre performances out of Veronica Taylor and Wendee Lee.

I dont exactly love the viz dub to death but I really liked it anyway. What is, according to you, a GOOD dub? As in you enjoy it fully and unironically. I dont think I know what would be dub that would appeal to you.

[MasenkoHA]

And I really liked the Viz dub. It takes a while to fully gel and get great.

To each their own, I guess. I'm happy that you like the Viz dub. For me even trying to watch episodes in the S season it amazed me that it still sounds like a fandub. It is impressive they managed to get mediocre performances out of Veronica Taylor and Wendee Lee.

I dont exactly love the viz dub to death but I really liked it anyway. What is, according to you, a GOOD dub? As in you enjoy it fully and unironically. I dont think I know what would be dub that would appeal to you.

In English? I think Funimation's dub of Dragon Ball Z Kai and Super are pretty good. Unfortunately I don't like Kai and I'm lukewarm toward Super. I enjoy the 3 Pioneer Z movies even though I'm not a big fan of Kelamis.Goku and hate Don Brown Roshi (but thankfully Roshi is only prominent in World's Strongest)

For non-Dragon Ball dubs I like most Studio Ghibli dubs, Pioneer/Animaze's dub of Akira, the Pioneer dub of Tenchi Muyo, the dub of Perfect Blue is pretty decent even though they screwed up the ending, and Funimation's dub of YuYu Hakusho is pretty solid.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I think most fans probably have the same criteria for a genuine, unironically good dub:

• Appropriate casting based on characters, not voices
• Good voice acting
• Faithful scripts that sound natural in English
• Not replacing the score
• Produced uncut

I love the Westwood dub but hesitate to say it's not an ironic love conditioned by my own nostalgic bias, although for anyone that wants to watch Dragon Ball Z in English it's the way to go. While you might miss the original score the voice actors are still more seasoned and there's some examples of better pronunciations (sometimes you hear a Go-Koo, and Videl is "Vih-Dell") as well as lines from Funimation's dub slightly smartened up, like Vegeta saying he does a lot of push-ups and drinks a lot of milk (in the Funimation dub it's juice).

Funimation's dub of YuYu Hakusho is pretty solid.

I think that dub is overrated, people like it for much the same reason as the Funi Z Boo arc and original Dragon Ball dubs. Slight improvements across the board but still has the growing pains of all Funimation's early dubs.

The Ocean Group's uncut dubs are some of the best. Death Note, Black Lagoon, Sword of the Stranger and such are all highly regarded.

[Cure Dragon 255]

To each their own, I guess. I'm happy that you like the Viz dub. For me even trying to watch episodes in the S season it amazed me that it still sounds like a fandub. It is impressive they managed to get mediocre performances out of Veronica Taylor and Wendee Lee.

I dont exactly love the viz dub to death but I really liked it anyway. What is, according to you, a GOOD dub? As in you enjoy it fully and unironically. I dont think I know what would be dub that would appeal to you.

In English? I think Funimation's dub of Dragon Ball Z Kai and Super are pretty good. Unfortunately I don't like Kai and I'm lukewarm toward Super. I enjoy the 3 Pioneer Z movies even though I'm not a big fan of Kelamis.Goku and hate Don Brown Roshi (but thankfully Roshi is only prominent in World's Strongest)

For non-Dragon Ball dubs I like most Studio Ghibli dubs, Pioneer/Animaze's dub of Akira, the Pioneer dub of Tenchi Muyo, the dub of Perfect Blue is pretty decent even though they screwed up the ending, and Funimation's dub of YuYu Hakusho is pretty solid.

I dont wanna be but this has to be nostalgia talking. I sorta like the cheesiness of the Yu Yu Hakusho dub AT NO POINT would I ever consider it a GOOD DUB. I dont think ANY DUB is any sort of outstanding achievement to someone without nostalgia for it anyway. I think the Viz dub has its fans that grew to love it to death. But it was never going to pass scrutiny with anyone without Nostalgia. Dubs are meant to introduce new people who wouldnt watch it in any other way, just like subs do.

I think my favorite scene in the Viz dub is Koan going insane with grief and trying to kill the Sailor Guardians.

[mecha3000]

I wonder if a Toonami channel would work in the US, like what the UK and Ireland had from 2003 to 2007? I know historically Cartoon Network has liked the perk of royalties that come with their original programming, but does anyone watch the main channel anymore? Might be better at this point to just have a 24/7 Adult Swim or Toonami channel and move all the original content to Boomerang.

I think this is a logical move because most of Cartoon Network's ratings might come from Adult Swim now. Not sure if that's true though. Also, watching Kai yesterday on Rewind made me realize just how old that dub is now. The Kai dub is now 14 years old and like someone else said is now older than the original dub was by the time Kai first aired in 2010. For comparison, if Kai came out in 1996 (like the Ocean dub did), it would definitely be old by 2010. So, Kai coming out in 2010 is definitely old by 2024 standards.

Kind of a bittersweet thing because it makes me realize just how much older I am now at 27 from where I was at 13. Anyway, I don't think I'll be following Rewind every week after giving it some thought. It's nice and all, but the shows they're airing are reruns once you get past the novelty of the nostalgia of the block. Also, seeing companies start to pivot towards Millennial nostalgia and even Gen Z in some cases, is something I'm a little wary of. So yeah, I'll check in every now and then.

On that point, I still believe Daima should be streamed first and foremost before worrying about a TV airing, but I definitely wouldn't mind it airing on Toonami's premiere Saturday block and doing reruns on weekday Toonami.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I wonder if a Toonami channel would work in the US, like what the UK and Ireland had from 2003 to 2007? I know historically Cartoon Network has liked the perk of royalties that come with their original programming, but does anyone watch the main channel anymore? Might be better at this point to just have a 24/7 Adult Swim or Toonami channel and move all the original content to Boomerang.

I think this is a logical move because most of Cartoon Network's ratings might come from Adult Swim now. Not sure if that's true though. Also, watching Kai yesterday on Rewind made me realize just how old that dub is now. The Kai dub is now 14 years old and like someone else said is now older than the original dub was by the time Kai first aired in 2010. For comparison, if Kai came out in 1996 (like the Ocean dub did), it would definitely be old by 2010. So, Kai coming out in 2010 is definitely old by 2024 standards.

Kind of a bittersweet thing because it makes me realize just how much older I am now at 27 from where I was at 13. Anyway, I don't think I'll be following Rewind every week after giving it some thought. It's nice and all, but the shows they're airing are reruns once you get past the novelty of the nostalgia of the block. Also, seeing companies start to pivot towards Millennial nostalgia and even Gen Z in some cases, is something I'm a little wary of. So yeah, I'll check in every now and then.

On that point, I still believe Daima should be streamed first and foremost before worrying about a TV airing, but I definitely wouldn't mind it airing on Toonami's premiere Saturday block and doing reruns on weekday Toonami.

Let me dispel any doubt about this

Highest rated Cartoon Network shows.



Top Adult Swim Shows

The eight highest-rated scheduled programs on Adult Swim by total viewership audience as of Sunday, May 26, 2024. See more Adult Swim shows.

Rank Program Audience Change
1 Smiling Friends 284,000 +60%
2 Bob's Burgers 244,000 -2%
3 American Dad 243,000 -13%
4 Rick & Morty 228,000 -31%
5 My Adventures with Superman 219,000 -8%
6 Royal Crackers 169,000 -7%
7 Naruto: Shippuden 133,000 +64%
8 One Piece 131,000 +10%


Now lets check CN...

Top Cartoon Network Shows

The three highest-rated scheduled programs on Cartoon Network by total viewership audience as of Wednesday, May 29, 2024. See more Cartoon Network shows.

Rank Program Audience Change
1 Batwheels 61,000
2 Valiant Prince Ivandoe 59,000 -40%
3 Jessica's Big Little World 53,000 +2%

Oh god. That cant be good.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

The Kai dub is now 14 years old and like someone else said is now older than the original dub was by the time Kai first aired in 2010. For comparison, if Kai came out in 1996 (like the Ocean dub did), it would definitely be old by 2010. So, Kai coming out in 2010 is definitely old by 2024 standards.

The real scary thing is Ocean's dub of Kai is as old as the Saban dub was in 1996. Remember it was recorded around the same time as Funimation's dub. I still hope it will be seen one day but if it is, damn, is it going to be hard trying to suspend disbelief in its age as it will ironically still be this fresh, new way of watching Kai.

[MasenkoHA]

, although for anyone that wants to watch Dragon Ball Z in English it's the way to go. While you might miss the original score the voice actors are still more seasoned and there's some examples of better pronunciations (sometimes you hear a Go-Koo, and Videl is "Vih-Dell") as well as lines from Funimation's dub slightly smartened up, like Vegeta saying he does a lot of push-ups and drinks a lot of milk (in the Funimation dub it's juice

Other than somewhat better voice acting there really isn't a whole lot of difference between the Westwood dub and the Funimation dub being the same script with some variations and all. "In the Funi dub Vegeta drinks juice BUT in the Ocean dub he drinks MILK isn't exactly an improvement or "smarter dialog"

And to be honest both the Funi dub and Westwood dub have their fair share of shit acting and "what was casting smoking?" I don't understand why people would call the Westwood dub bad while praising the Funimation dub but the Westwood dub definitely isn't "the way to go for Dragon
Ball Z in English"

I think that dub is overrated, people like it for much the same reason as the Funi Z Boo arc and original Dragon Ball dubs. Slight improvements across the board but still has the growing pains of all Funimation's early dubs.

The original Dragon Ball dub was held back by casting decisions made in late 1998 and somebody's (presumably Gen Fukanaga) need to keep Dragon Ball kid friendly by western standards when the uncensored footage didn't force them otherwise. Their YuYu Hakusho dub wasn't held back by castings from a prior dub and seemed much more lax on what was okay to keep. It's not a perfect dub but it's a definite improvement over their Dragon Ball work.

The Ocean Group's uncut dubs are some of the best. Death Note, Black Lagoon, Sword of the Stranger and such are all highly regarded.

I agree the Ocean Group does good work when they're not contracted to make broadcast friendly tv dubs. In an alternate universe where Viz or Pioneer licensed Dragon Ball I think Ocean would have done great under them (yes we sorta got that with the first 3 Z movies but those also had to stick to casting decisions informed by Funimation's idea of what the show should be) Hell, I WISH Viz had hired Ocean Group to do their Sailor Moon dub instead of Studiopolis

I think my favorite scene in the Viz dub is Koan going insane with grief and trying to kill the Sailor Guardians.

I will say it was a massive improvement over the scene in the DiC dub. The horrendous acting of that voice actress plus replacing a very dramatic music piece for a generic "be prepared for danger" music cue ruined one of the more emotionally effective scenes of the original. The Viz dub at least somewhat kept the original emotions intact (mostly from using the same score and not downplaying Koan's trauma like DiC did)

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

In the Funi dub Vegeta drinks juice BUT in the Ocean dub he drinks MILK isn't exactly an improvement or "smarter dialog"

Granted its not a HUGE improvement, but milk has calcium and is good for bone growth. "I drink plenty of juice" just felt like a cheap quip intended to make Vegeta sound badass.

I also liked Goku's final line to Kid Boo being "see you on the flip side Majin Boo" rather than "I'll be waiting for you Majin Boo" as it foreshadows the reincarnation a bit more rather than being more of a standard "till the next time, bring it", which is in-character for Goku but isn't as interesting.

the Westwood dub definitely isn't "the way to go for Dragon
Ball Z in English"

There aren't a whole lot of other options though, as far as English dubs go, Kai-aside. The Creative Corp Products dub only reached early Namek and is mostly lost. There was a Speedy dub of the first few episodes of Dragon Ball Z but no more than that, and the acting was atrocious. For some reason Animax dubbed all of Dragon Ball, but didn't dub Dragon Ball Z. I would have liked to have seen the latter dubbed although sadly it probably would have suffered the same fate as the former with seemingly NO ONE recording it.

The original Dragon Ball dub was held back by casting decisions made in late 1998 and somebody's (presumably Gen Fukanaga) need to keep Dragon Ball kid friendly by western standards when the uncensored footage didn't force them otherwise. Their YuYu Hakusho dub wasn't held back by castings from a prior dub and seemed much more lax on what was okay to keep. It's not a perfect dub but it's a definite improvement over their Dragon Ball work.

That's fair enough.

[Cure Dragon 255]

, although for anyone that wants to watch Dragon Ball Z in English it's the way to go. While you might miss the original score the voice actors are still more seasoned and there's some examples of better pronunciations (sometimes you hear a Go-Koo, and Videl is "Vih-Dell") as well as lines from Funimation's dub slightly smartened up, like Vegeta saying he does a lot of push-ups and drinks a lot of milk (in the Funimation dub it's juice

Other than somewhat better voice acting there really isn't a whole lot of difference between the Westwood dub and the Funimation dub being the same script with some variations and all. "In the Funi dub Vegeta drinks juice BUT in the Ocean dub he drinks MILK isn't exactly an improvement or "smarter dialog"

And to be honest both the Funi dub and Westwood dub have their fair share of shit acting and "what was casting smoking?" I don't understand why people would call the Westwood dub bad while praising the Funimation dub but the Westwood dub definitely isn't "the way to go for Dragon
Ball Z in English"

I think that dub is overrated, people like it for much the same reason as the Funi Z Boo arc and original Dragon Ball dubs. Slight improvements across the board but still has the growing pains of all Funimation's early dubs.

The original Dragon Ball dub was held back by casting decisions made in late 1998 and somebody's (presumably Gen Fukanaga) need to keep Dragon Ball kid friendly by western standards when the uncensored footage didn't force them otherwise. Their YuYu Hakusho dub wasn't held back by castings from a prior dub and seemed much more lax on what was okay to keep. It's not a perfect dub but it's a definite improvement over their Dragon Ball work.

The Ocean Group's uncut dubs are some of the best. Death Note, Black Lagoon, Sword of the Stranger and such are all highly regarded.

I agree the Ocean Group does good work when they're not contracted to make broadcast friendly tv dubs. In an alternate universe where Viz or Pioneer licensed Dragon Ball I think Ocean would have done great under them (yes we sorta got that with the first 3 Z movies but those also had to stick to casting decisions informed by Funimation's idea of what the show should be) Hell, I WISH Viz had hired Ocean Group to do their Sailor Moon dub instead of Studiopolis

I think my favorite scene in the Viz dub is Koan going insane with grief and trying to kill the Sailor Guardians.

I will say it was a massive improvement over the scene in the DiC dub. The horrendous acting of that voice actress plus replacing a very dramatic music piece for a generic "be prepared for danger" music cue ruined one of the more emotionally effective scenes of the original. The Viz dub at least somewhat kept the original emotions intact (mostly from using the same score and not downplaying Koan's trauma like DiC did)

I dont wanna be mean but why didnt you address my criticism of the Yu Yu Hakusho dub? I mean I do respect it because it was one of Funimation's early attempts to do an uncut and faithful dubm but holding up as BETTER THAN THE VIZ DUB!? HUH!? And that it might not be the acting that's wrong and just unfamiliarity and not growing up with the Viz dub. Sure, you do criticize the DiC dub so I dont think you have any love for it either.

[TechExpert2021]

The dub is also 10 years old and has been on Hulu and physical media for quite some time. It's not exactly new.


The Studiopolis dub is also trash but that's a whole other conversation

It may be or is absolutely trash but I think it is nowhere as trash as the original DiC and Cloverway English dubs. The DiC dub drastically "Americanized" Sailor Moon (in the same way as the 1999-2003 FUNimation dub of DBZ) and included educational "Sailor Says" segments (because the DiC dub was intended for broadcast via American syndication) at the end of each episode. The DiC dub is also heavily censored and completely replaced the original Japanese soundtrack with a generic one someone at DiC Entertainment had composed. The Cloverway English dub inherits the same issues as the DiC dub except it retains the original Japanese soundtrack and completely retired the use of "Sailor Says" segments (hence the fact that the Cloverway English dub was exclusively on Cartoon Network's Toonami instead of on American syndication).

To each their own, I guess. I'm happy that you like the Viz dub. For me even trying to watch episodes in the S season it amazed me that it still sounds like a fandub. It is impressive they managed to get mediocre performances out of Veronica Taylor and Wendee Lee.

Even the 1999 FUNimation dub of DBZ sounds like a fandub, because of the amateurish acting.

I may be wrong but the voice acting in the DiC and Cloverway English dubs is worse than the voice acting in the Viz/Studiopolis dub.

[Hellspawn28]

I see people that want a Toonami after noon block, but that's not going to happen. I don't think Gen Alpha (even the Gen Zers in the 2010s) watch cartoons after school anymore. They probably go on Yotube or play video games online.

[MasenkoHA]

I dont wanna be mean but why didnt you address my criticism of the Yu Yu Hakusho dub? I mean I do respect it because it was one of Funimation's early attempts to do an uncut and faithful dubm but holding up as BETTER THAN THE VIZ DUB!? HUH!? And that it might not be the acting that's wrong and just unfamiliarity and not growing up with the Viz dub. Sure, you do criticize the DiC dub so I dont think you have any love for it either.

I'm not sure what criticism there is too address? You just said it wasn't a good dub. What am I supposed to address?


And yes I hold it up to as a better dub than Viz's Sailor Moon dub because the acting in the ViZ dub is atrocious. If it came out the whole thing was recorded by AI replicas, I wouldn't bat an eye.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I dont wanna be mean but why didnt you address my criticism of the Yu Yu Hakusho dub? I mean I do respect it because it was one of Funimation's early attempts to do an uncut and faithful dubm but holding up as BETTER THAN THE VIZ DUB!? HUH!? And that it might not be the acting that's wrong and just unfamiliarity and not growing up with the Viz dub. Sure, you do criticize the DiC dub so I dont think you have any love for it either.

I'm not sure what criticism there is too address? You just said it wasn't a good dub. What am I supposed to address?


And yes I hold it up to as a better dub than Viz's Sailor Moon dub because the acting in the ViZ dub is atrocious. If it came out the whole thing was recorded by AI replicas, I wouldn't bat an eye.

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh... I am just going to agree to disagree then. The Yu Yu Hakusho dub is just hideously acted and I cant imagine anyone saying it has better acting than the Viz dub in good faith. It just doesnt make any sense. It's an upgrade from DBZ but still...

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I'm not sure what criticism there is too address? You just said it wasn't a good dub. What am I supposed to address?

I think the point was do you not think your being too kind to Funimation's Yu Yu Hakusho dub because of nostalgia? As it has a charming cheesiness to it, but is, by no means a good dub, at least not by today's standards.

I'd tend to agree, I watched about 40 episodes of the Yu Yu Hakusho dub but then switched to the Japanese as I found the rough voice acting too much to watch the whole series like that. From what I recall there was also a fair share of liberties taken with the original lines based on Steve Simmons' subs.

I'll admit it's a step up from not only Dragon Ball Z, but also Funimation's original Dragon Ball dub, and doesn't have the latter's problem of issues inherited from a previous 90s dub. I still don't think it holds up. Funimation's 2010s dubs like Kai blow it out of the water.

[Cure Dragon 255]

To be fair, it is OKAY to have nostalgia and biases, if Masenko Ha wants to like something there is nothing wrong. But seriously it ASTOUNDS me he thinks Yu Yu Hakusho of all things is better. Masenko, do you know Pluto IS NOT meant to be a DBZ character? There were some peopel in another website who went "Oh the screams on Sailor Moon arent that good in the Viz dub", Pluto's "Dead Scream" is not meant to be a scream. Sailor Moon is not DBZ. And the few screams the original had were emulated perfectly by the Viz dub.

The one thing I will concede is that the voice director for the Viz dub was a 4kids employee and they might not have put too much "Character" on the dub, Yu Gi Oh's uncut dub sounds awful because its just the voice actors saying the uncut lines without any heart or naturalism.

[MasenkoHA]

. Masenko, do you know Pluto IS NOT meant to be a DBZ character? There were some peopel in another website who went "Oh the screams on Sailor Moon arent that good in the Viz dub", Pluto's "Dead Scream" is not meant to be a scream. Sailor Moon is not DBZ. And the few screams the original had were emulated perfectly by the Viz dub..

When did I say anything about Pluto's screams?!?