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[Grimlock]

While you are right that is my own explanation, we do see characters in Dragon Ball that couldn't access their power or full power for their reason.

Goku even explains why Ginyu could use Goku body full power.

Okay, even if we apply that same idea here, I can say it's because Buu is a mindless beast that he should've used god Ki randomly, and at that moment, Goku and Vegeta would comment on the fact that they keep not sensing his Ki from time to time.

But it is as I say, god Ki was poorly introduced. We don't know if it's a "separate pool" from the normal Ki; if it replaces the normal Ki; if it can't be tapped under certain circumstances. In the very movie where this idea was introduced, Goku was about to teleport to Kaioshin realm. So who knows? But the thing is, Buu having god Ki was definitely not something implemented flawlessly, just like the concept of god Ki itself.

[QuakingStar]

Zamas could not use Goku's power properly either, he started out weaker than Trunks did he not? I think using anothers body simply comes with that problem.

[super michael]

While you are right that is my own explanation, we do see characters in Dragon Ball that couldn't access their power or full power for their reason.

Goku even explains why Ginyu could use Goku body full power.

Okay, even if we apply that same idea here, I can say it's because Buu is a mindless beast that he should've used god Ki randomly, and at that moment, Goku and Vegeta would comment on the fact that they keep not sensing his Ki from time to time.

But it is as I say, god Ki was poorly introduced. We don't know if it's a "separate pool" from the normal Ki; if it replaces the normal Ki; if it can't be tapped under certain circumstances. In the very movie where this idea was introduced, Goku was about to teleport to Kaioshin realm. So who knows? But the thing is, Buu having god Ki was definitely not something implemented flawlessly, just like the concept of god Ki itself.

That is true, Mr Popo does say to empty one mind when fighting. So your example has happened before.

I just assumed that their normal ki transformed into God Ki, but then again how did Goku teleport to Kaio planet if he has God Ki. There are flaws to how God Ki works.

[Kaywayk]

I think introducing "god ki" at all was a mistake. Kaioshin not being able to be sensed was meant to convey how he was a mysterious and otherworldly power. Chalking it up to a different type of ki is silly.

[Grimlock]

Something good came out of this mess, though: Uub (somehow) inherited it. Thus giving it even more reasons for him to become the next protagonist.

I would very much like to see how a human handles the god Ki. Would they be clever and do something interesting with it or would they create human transformations out of it? Super Human God, Super Human God Super Human!

Hopefully we stop wasting time in this time period and go after the tournament really soon (and add stuff from Dragon Ball Online while we're at it!).

[ZeroNeonix]

I wouldn't count on Dragon Ball going beyond End of Z any time soon. They too stuck on appealing to nostalgia. They couldn't even let Goku and Vegeta keep their newer Super outfits, which were designed with their Blue transformations in mind. Had to have them switch to their more nostalgic outfits from Z.

[BootyCheeksJohnson]

Is it possible that Neko Majin could get an animated adaptation as a web series?

[The Monkey King]

Is it possible that Neko Majin could get an animated adaptation as a web series?

If Jaco can't get an animated anything I hold little hope for Neko Majin.

[TheGreatness25]

Hey, everyone. I'm looking to scan in all of the physical release boxes, slip covers, etc. Do you think 1,200 DPI is overkill and 600 is enough? Sure would make it a lot quicker and much easier ability to manipulate.

[The Monkey King]

I've heard repeatedly that Vegeta is based on real life actor Seiji Miyaguchi during his performance as Kyūzō in the Seven Samurai movie.

However I cannot find a source on that anywhere, is it even true?

[Grimlock]

And yes, this does indeed mean that criticizing GT for including movie villains, or Z the TV series including Garlic Junior, is a reasonable critique.

Once it is true that the movies take place in another dimension, their appearances anywhere else suggest that the place that they are appearing in (be it a series, an OVA or whatever) also take place in this other reality. You can't just simply want Dragon Ball GT to be the sequel to the Dragon Ball Z you watched with Coola in it. Or Garlic Junior filler referencing Movie 1 to take place in the "common anime continuity" (lack of a better name). If you want that, then that's a reasonable critique to have, because it doesn't even make sense.

• It is not the TV series that should adapt to your preferences = not wanting movie villains appearing in the series for whatever reason.
• It is you that should accept the TV series for what it is = movie villain appears in it. Therefore it can't take place where I want it does.

I see no "reasonable critique" for the former, I see for the latter, and it's what I'm doing here. Critiquing the apparent inability to accept that, if Toei want to put movie villains in the anime, they can. It won't be some fans not understanding the concept of multiple realities that should prevent them from doing it, because as far this concept goes, it makes sense (even if understandably a bit confusing due to different media being used simultaneously; the anime and the movie ones).

Like I said before, Dragon Ball Heroes supports this idea, through implication (you cannot tell me the characters in these cards were chosen arbitrarily!) and characters acknowledgement. Dragon Ball GT was never a sequel to the Dragon Ball Z you grew up watching. It is a sequel to "wholly separate" (as you put it) Dragon Ball Z.

Of course, I understand the refusal to change the way of thinking after so long thinking that old way. This is pretty similar to Ultimate, for a long time people thought it was a permanent state (even though in Movie 13 [1995] Gohan transformed into it). It was never something that was set in stone or clarified. And even after a few more evidences (Movie 14 and Dragon Ball Super), there were still those denying it was a transformation. Same thing here. This wasn't something set in stone or clarified. Now, for one source, it is.

[ZeroNeonix]

I remember when I first saw Gohan take his Ultimate form. The Elder Kai told Gohan that he wouldn't need to go Super Saiyan, which to me implied that it was an option, but that it would be overkill. Seeing Gohan lose to Buu had me so frustrated. I was like, "Go Super, dang it! Are you stupid?" They really could have been more clear.

[Grimlock]

A year and half technically.

Goku fights Frieza Dec 24th 762.

Trunks fights Frieza Aug 764.

This was the biggest part of finding out Gohan should be closer to 11 vs Cell and not the 9 people pretend he is.

I don't consider months. It's better this way to avoid any problems.

Gohan is ten during that fight, as it takes place, well, ten years after he was born.

[jjgp1112]

I remember when I first saw Gohan take his Ultimate form. The Elder Kai told Gohan that he wouldn't need to go Super Saiyan, which to me implied that it was an option, but that it would be overkill. Seeing Gohan lose to Buu had me so frustrated. I was like, "Go Super, dang it! Are you stupid?" They really could have been more clear.

The way I interpreted it is Super Saiyan at that point would be tantamount to dying his hair and putting on color contacts; all his power was at the surface, so it was truly pointless. For all intents and purposes, Mystic is his Super Saiyan 3 except way better.

I did prefer when it was just Gohans permanent state and not just another form though. Chalk it up to Super being lazy...though I'm pretty sure the Jump Special had the regular form too. Chalk it up to Toei being lazy

[Grimlock]

I guess I should probably talk about this constant dismissal that happens towards Buu/Uub by people, and they want Goku to dismiss Buu/Uub as well, under the weird idea that "Buu/Uub is no longer a big deal". Yes, (t)he(y) still is(are).

I said in another thread that Buu never defeated Super Saiyan 3 Goku, and while that is the case, as well as taking into consideration that both Goku and Vegeta said that the former could defeat him as a Super Saiyan 3, Goku was still having a tough fight. Maybe Goku would indeed be able to defeat Buu eventually, but as we saw, it wouldn't be an easy victory at all.

It does not matter in the slightest that Goku has since fought stronger opponents, most of them don't even live in Universe 7 to begin with. Freeza becoming a sparring partner of Goku is a bad idea from all points of view. Gohan is unreliable, he'll become weak sooner or later. Granolah will die soon. There's no reason for Goku to be satisfied with just Vegeta, Piccolo and Majin Buu (speaking of which, why in the hell hasn't Majin Buu become a sparring partner for Goku yet!?). Am I forgetting someone? Regardless, the point is, yes, there still is a legitimate reason for Goku to look forward to have a match with Uub. I don't think Goku surpassed Majin Buu yet, at the very least he needs Super Saiyan 2 to defeat him (which reminds me, this dismissal becomes even more baffling when it comes from those who think Movie 14 Goku needs Super Saiyan to defeat Freeza...).

Not only that, Uub may have inherited the potential to have Buu's power level, but he is still a human, which means there's still room to get stronger, meaning he can surpass Buu. Not to mention the possibility of them giving transformations to Uub (and hey, he can fuse with Majin Buu himself!). So yeah, this dismissal towards Buu/Uub needs to stop. Now.


(I think this deserves a thread, but for once, I don't know if it goes in the general section or in the in-universe one).

[ZeroNeonix]

Frieza, when he first appeared, was leagues above every other mortal in the universe. Buu was one of the few people in the universe that Frieza knew to fear. He may not be much of a challenge for Goku now, with his many colored transformations, but he's still more powerful than most beings in every universe. With Uub in particular, though, even before Super came along, I saw Goku's interest in Uub as something different. Usually, he just wants to fight to challenge himself and test his own limits, but with Uub, it seemed like he was more interested in becoming a mentor and testing his student's limits.

[Grimlock]

He may not be much of a challenge for Goku now, with many colored transformations,

It's not like if Goku went to fight Majin Buu right now he will use Ultra Instinct right away (if at all). He will use a transformation that still welcomes a challenge. Unless I'm missing any occasion where Goku went overkill, Majin Buu is still a strong opponent.

but he's still more powerful than most beings in every universe.

Indeed he is. Which is why I don't understand this dismissal you often see people expressing toward Buu and Uub. It's nonsense.

[nineko]

I just realised something: during the fight against Buu, Vegeta wants to speak to all the earthlings, and North Kai happened to be eavesdropping, sure that's convenient, but... North Kai said that he didn't even know how Kaiohshin looked like just a few hours earlier, so how come he could know where to direct his eavesdropping? Has he always been able to telepathically look at Kaiohshin's planet, and just never thought about doing that, à la egg of Columbus? I understand that physical access to that planet is heavily restricted, but since he could talk to Vegeta / Goku / Mister Satan just fine, it looks like telepathy is fair game.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I love Mexican dubbing and Latin American dubbing in General but I am starting to see the dubbing fans live in the past. Dragon Ball was dubbed well in Latin America so anything Spain does is shit to them apparently.

[Hulk10]

I have mixed feelings on the Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego forms. On the one hand they are really cool but I would like to see a Super Saiyan form that can match them in terms of power tier. Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Limit Breaker is the closest one but even it falls slightly short. I would like to a varient of that form appear in some media.