AI generated footage of Masako Nozawa on kuaishou

[tinlunlau]

Producers and commercial interests will always hate artists.

The producer of the new Garfield movie is an actor himself. In fact, he stars in "Twilight of the Warriors: Walled In" coming to North America, August 9th. I think it played in theaters in UK, Ireland and Australia back at the end of May. I saw an HD rip and thought it was fantastic. But anyway, that's besides the point. I just find it weird that an actor turned producer would even consider going that route of using AI to reproduce a performance into various languages with the same voice.

[Rafa Fast]

This doesn't even scare me anymore, it just straight disappoints me, whatever they will do after Nozawa passes away, it won't impress me any bit if they use AI as replacement, I know that's just the natural law of technological evolution, it's the future and there's no way to avoid it, it keeps getting better and better and it will eventually be much cheaper to use AI rather than actual human effort, I understand it, so I'm not even going to touch the "AI is bad/threat" discussion.

But the day Dragon Ball becomes AI generated, not only in voices, but in all of its artistic features and composition, I'll just give up and live with the old stuff only, I have my personal limits of acceptance, not saying that I'm against it and the people who like it, I have no problem if people enjoy this, it's fine, be happy with your robot stuff. With acceptance I refer to myself, I don't need AI nor I want it, I'm more than happy by putting effort into my drawings and by praising the work of actual artists, I'm definitely not going to be forced into this shit.

[Dr. Casey]

I'm not going to read any of the posts here because I know what to expect - a bunch of people going "New Thing Bad" on a subject they understand absolutely nothing about to begin with - but here's a list of some things AI has accomplished when it comes to medicine.

Quickly analyzed the effects that 30 different psychedelics have on the brain; prior to this, it was unknown how the psychedelics affected the brain (This is relevant because it shows that AI has potential to study mental illnesses like depression thousands of times faster than people)

In October, it was found that AI could detect diabetes with 90 percent accuracy simply by listening to your voice for ten seconds

In December, the most major AI-related medical announcement of 2023 came out. There's 71 million genetic mutations. At the beginning of 2023, we knew what only 0.1 of those genetic mutations actually do. By the end of 2023, thanks to AI, we knew the effects of more than 89 percent. We're now probably at 100 percent.

In April, the FDA accepted a new AI that's able to diagnose Alzheimer's 10 years in advance based off an MRI scan with near-100 percent accuracy. Prior to this there was no way to know until symptoms developed. Alzheimer's will likely be preventable or treatable in ten years, so it's good for a person to know how many years away they might be from it.

An AI was accepted by the FDA called Sepsis ImmunoScore that tracks 22 different things to see whether sepsis is developing (this could probably be done using a wearable like a FitBit or something). Since sepsis takes anywhere from two days to a week to progress into septic shock, this would give plenty of time to prevent septic shock from happening - septic shock isn't easy to fix once it begins, but it's easy to prevent if you suspect it's coming. This is the third most common cause of death in hospitals; Sepsis ImmunoScore could completely eliminate the problem (obviously it won't, but it should still reduce it sharply to the point where it becomes rare).

An AI was announced in June that's able to predict heart attacks and strokes up to 10 years in advance based upon CT scan results. It was tested upon patient results from the past. No accuracy score was given, but it should be 90+ percent since that's how most of these medical AIs perform.

PleioGraph, an AI announced in April, can figure out the causes behind diseases in a matter of hours. Normally this takes months or years.

AI can now design one million new antibiotics in one day, whereas normally it takes five or six years to invent a single antibiotic. Antibiotics created by AI have a success rate of 79 percent, compared to around 20 percent for human-made antibiotics.

An AI app was cleared by the FDA where you can use your phone to take a scan of your teeth, and the AI analyzes it. The results are incredibly detailed, up to 130 insights from a single scan. It's a really good app that works about as well as a visit to the dentist's office (though for now you have to sign up for it via the dentist, with the results being sent to them; you can't just use it at home by yourself).

AI started being used for cancer research this year and already made a huge discovery: there's one specific gene that gives cancer the ability to spread. Medication can be invented that inhibits this gene, making people immune to anything beyond Stage 1 cancer. This would turn most cancers into mild illnesses that almost everyone survives.

The most major advancement of all that I know of is an AI called ForeSight. Looking at your medical records, ForeSight can predict all the health problems you will develop during the next ten years with 88 percent accuracy, and give advice to avoid those things (if they can be prevented). Given the rate at which AI advances, this should increase during 2025 from 88 percent to almost 100.

I mean, I feel bad for artists and all (even if their grievances are based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the technology - no, AI does not plagiarize or reproduce verbatim anything in its training data, it just learns general rules the same way that people do), but compared to the insane amount of suffering that AI is already helping to relieve, whatever existential angst or declining wages artists experience is beyond fucking microscopic in comparison. This isn't just hypothetical or theoretical, AI has already made major inroads on the major causes of death like heart disease, strokes, and cancer. We're already becoming a little bit safer each month thanks to AI-related therapies and treatments reaching the market. These aren't high promises of a future that might never come, they are the present and they are becoming the past.

I can understand disliking AI art, but it's incredibly unfortunate that people just screech at AI in general without having any comprehension whatsoever of the good that it will do - of the good that it's already done. Saying that you hate AI in general means going "Yeah, I know that AI is able to prevent septic shock in hospitals, the third leading cause of death for hospitalized patients. Yeah, I know it can diagnose diabetes in its earliest stages, before a human being could ever do so, and in the process minimize damage as much as possible. Yeah, I know that AI has completely unlocked most of the mysteries of the human genome during 2023 alone and could make it so that another harlequin fetus never has to be born again. Yeah, I know PleioGraph will do most of the heavy lifting when it comes to researching diseases and allow us to go straight to clinical trials instead of spending years or decades doing research. Yeah, I know ForeSight by itself can raise life expectancy by 10 or more years. I know that here in year one of cancer research, AI has already massively contributed to the fight against cancer. I know that 2024 is the first year ever where heart attacks and strokes can accurately be detected long in advance. But did you ever stop to consider that AI can mimic an artist's voice or art style????? That's the important issue here."

Thanks to AI speeding up medical research by millions of times, the pool of health conditions for which there's no treatment, or underwhelming treatment, will have likely dried up considerably by 2030. By 2040 I think all health problems, both mental and physical, will be curable, preventable, or fully treatable. That's a lot more important than anything related to artists, unless during the 2030s you plan to go "Sure, I know that AI made glioblastoma a curable condition and that people no longer have to watch their mothers or fathers go from healthy to foaming at the mouth and dying of seizures in a matter of weeks. Yes, I know dementia is preventable now thanks to the fact that we know so much more about the human body and causes of dementia. Yeah, I know babies aren't born with severe birth defects anymore. Yeah, I know that transphobia is much milder now because AI discovered new treatments that allow trans people to 'pass' with much more consistency, and in the process also brought peace to many trans people who wish to pass perfectly as their gender. And I agree, it's cool that depression, anxiety disorders, and PTSD are now illnesses that can be treated perfectly. But what about the artists?!" Instead of navel gazing about "B-b-b-but what does it mean to be human...?" we should be thankful that AI will allow suffering people to know the answer to questions like "What does it mean to not be terminally ill, what does it mean to not have dementia, what does it mean to not be in chronic pain?"

I would have much less of an issue with the worldwide witch hunt against AI if there was some kind of fucking nuance here, something along the lines of "AI can do (and is doing) wonderful things, we just don't like AI art specifically." But that level of nuance would require understanding the topic at hand to even the vaguest degree whatsoever, and most people would rather regurgitate misinformed headlines and sound bites than have even the most cursory knowledge of this subject they feel so strongly on. It's exhausting, and I'm just avoiding any group where these kind of anti-AI sentiments are expressed (ie most groups in general). We finally have tools that will help us escape from the filthy, shitty-ass world full of intense suffering that we were born into and have always lived in (at least when it comes to disease, though that's probably the most significant cause of suffering throughout all of human history anyway), but people are too misinformed to do anything besides come together as an angry mob and rally against the Bad New Thing.

[ThunderPX]

Nobody is arguing against any of those applications of AI, not least because the only type of "AI" (actually machine learning) marketed to the general public is the type that's making everyone's experience with technology worse.

Image-generating AI doesn't "learn general rules like people do"--it's not capable of learning or understanding anything, it just has tons of art fed to it and it memorizes common things in that art. If it was actually capable of learning rules, all they would need to feed it is some art tutorials. Then it could probably stop making fucked up hands, for one thing.

I appreciate your frustration, but I really don't think anyone is going to start campaigning against medical advances because of the word "AI". I also think you're vastly downplaying the way that auto-generated drivel is ruining art communities, and if you don't understand the dangers of a tool that can generate footage of someone saying things they didn't actually say... well, I can't help you there.

[JulieYBM]

Producers and commercial interests will always hate artists.

The producer of the new Garfield movie is an actor himself. In fact, he stars in "Twilight of the Warriors: Walled In" coming to North America, August 9th. I think it played in theaters in UK, Ireland and Australia back at the end of May. I saw an HD rip and thought it was fantastic. But anyway, that's besides the point. I just find it weird that an actor turned producer would even consider going that route of using AI to reproduce a performance into various languages with the same voice.

A producer's role isn't to create good art, it's to create something that makes money. Filmmaing is a business operating within a globally capitalistic society, the ultimate purpose is to create a product as quickly, as effortlessly and with as little money spent as possible. This is why you have voice actors trying to make sure their voices aren't being reproduced with AI instead of paying them to create new performances.

A love and understanding of art goes out the window when your job is "have a lot of power and avenues for making money using that power."

I would have much less of an issue with the worldwide witch hunt against AI if there was some kind of fucking nuance here, something along the lines of "AI can do (and is doing) wonderful things, we just don't like AI art specifically." But that level of nuance would require understanding the topic at hand to even the vaguest degree whatsoever, and most people would rather regurgitate misinformed headlines and sound bites than have even the most cursory knowledge of this subject they feel so strongly on. It's exhausting, and I'm just avoiding any group where these kind of anti-AI sentiments are expressed (ie most groups in general). We finally have tools that will help us escape from the filthy, shitty-ass world full of intense suffering that we were born into and have always lived in (at least when it comes to disease, though that's probably the most significant cause of suffering throughout all of human history anyway), but people are too misinformed to do anything besides come together as an angry mob and rally against the Bad New Thing.

If you had read the posts in this thread you would have been greeted by people mostly expressing disdain for the use of AI in the creation of art.

Because using AI to create art is bad.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Quickly analyzed the effects that 30 different psychedelics have on the brain; prior to this, it was unknown how the psychedelics affected the brain (This is relevant because it shows that AI has potential to study mental illnesses like depression thousands of times faster than people)

In October, it was found that AI could detect diabetes with 90 percent accuracy simply by listening to your voice for ten seconds

In December, the most major AI-related medical announcement of 2023 came out. There's 71 million genetic mutations. At the beginning of 2023, we knew what only 0.1 of those genetic mutations actually do. By the end of 2023, thanks to AI, we knew the effects of more than 89 percent. We're now probably at 100 percent.

In April, the FDA accepted a new AI that's able to diagnose Alzheimer's 10 years in advance based off an MRI scan with near-100 percent accuracy. Prior to this there was no way to know until symptoms developed. Alzheimer's will likely be preventable or treatable in ten years, so it's good for a person to know how many years away they might be from it.

An AI was accepted by the FDA called Sepsis ImmunoScore that tracks 22 different things to see whether sepsis is developing (this could probably be done using a wearable like a FitBit or something). Since sepsis takes anywhere from two days to a week to progress into septic shock, this would give plenty of time to prevent septic shock from happening - septic shock isn't easy to fix once it begins, but it's easy to prevent if you suspect it's coming. This is the third most common cause of death in hospitals; Sepsis ImmunoScore could completely eliminate the problem (obviously it won't, but it should still reduce it sharply to the point where it becomes rare).

An AI was announced in June that's able to predict heart attacks and strokes up to 10 years in advance based upon CT scan results. It was tested upon patient results from the past. No accuracy score was given, but it should be 90+ percent since that's how most of these medical AIs perform.

PleioGraph, an AI announced in April, can figure out the causes behind diseases in a matter of hours. Normally this takes months or years.

AI can now design one million new antibiotics in one day, whereas normally it takes five or six years to invent a single antibiotic. Antibiotics created by AI have a success rate of 79 percent, compared to around 20 percent for human-made antibiotics.

An AI app was cleared by the FDA where you can use your phone to take a scan of your teeth, and the AI analyzes it. The results are incredibly detailed, up to 130 insights from a single scan. It's a really good app that works about as well as a visit to the dentist's office (though for now you have to sign up for it via the dentist, with the results being sent to them; you can't just use it at home by yourself).

AI started being used for cancer research this year and already made a huge discovery: there's one specific gene that gives cancer the ability to spread. Medication can be invented that inhibits this gene, making people immune to anything beyond Stage 1 cancer. This would turn most cancers into mild illnesses that almost everyone survives.

The most major advancement of all that I know of is an AI called ForeSight. Looking at your medical records, ForeSight can predict all the health problems you will develop during the next ten years with 88 percent accuracy, and give advice to avoid those things (if they can be prevented). Given the rate at which AI advances, this should increase during 2025 from 88 percent to almost 100.



Thanks to AI speeding up medical research by millions of times, the pool of health conditions for which there's no treatment, or underwhelming treatment, will have likely dried up considerably by 2030. By 2040 I think all health problems, both mental and physical, will be curable, preventable, or fully treatable.

I love how this humongous wall of text along with the "Nah I dont care to read any posts" absolutely annihilates any good will you may have gotten. If you read this guy's post it lists off incredible breakthroughs in science and medicine. I REALLY WISH it hadnt opened with that assholish "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ARTISTS ARE WHINING THEY ARE BEING EXPLOITED" that is impossible to see one one of the few "Good things AI can do."

In fact I am going to edit out all the awful stuff and leave the miraculous science stuff. Because you know, MOST PEOPLE DONT KNOW this and if the only person defending AI is an asshole about it then NO ONE will listen. You are killing ANY CHANCE people may give AI a shot .

[Tian]

I love how this humongous wall of text along with the "Nah I dont care to read any posts" absolutely annihilates any good will you may have gotten. If you read this guy's post it lists off incredible breakthroughs in science and medicine. I REALLY WISH it hadnt opened with that assholish "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ARTISTS ARE WHINING THEY ARE BEING EXPLOITED" that is impossible to see one one of the few "Good things AI can do."

In fact I am going to edit out all the awful stuff and leave the miraculous science stuff. Because you know, MOST PEOPLE DONT KNOW this and if the only person defending AI is an asshole about it then NO ONE will listen. You are killing ANY CHANCE people may give AI a shot .

It's not like I am calling you out but calling the guy asshole wasn't necessary.

Sure, he may have sounded consdescending in the beginning of the post but there are better ways to discuss that rather than just calling him an asshole.

It's not like I said AI is doing more harm than good. I am just concerned that without proper regulations, it may be getting out of our control and may affect more than one industry.

I'm aware not many give a crap about the voice acting industry but AI isn't really doing any favors to the artist community.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I have to wonder at what point will AI become conscious, and how will we even know they are? Eventually we may hear of an AI system that completed a work of art and can explain what they did in a way that sounds honest, genuinely inspired and like it's coming from a place of subjective experience.

At that point we'll have to start asking the bigger moral questions like should AI systems be afforded the same rights and opportunities as humans as it will begin to look like an injustice not to. On the other hand if this were the case humans would need to have their rights honoured as well and would be well within their rights to complain if they were discriminated from getting a job on the basis they were human.

I definitely agree they should be regulated somehow, but it's going to be tricky no matter how you slice it because the technology is developing so fast and theres already a lot we don't know, and maybe even can't.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I love how this humongous wall of text along with the "Nah I dont care to read any posts" absolutely annihilates any good will you may have gotten. If you read this guy's post it lists off incredible breakthroughs in science and medicine. I REALLY WISH it hadnt opened with that assholish "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ARTISTS ARE WHINING THEY ARE BEING EXPLOITED" that is impossible to see one one of the few "Good things AI can do."

In fact I am going to edit out all the awful stuff and leave the miraculous science stuff. Because you know, MOST PEOPLE DONT KNOW this and if the only person defending AI is an asshole about it then NO ONE will listen. You are killing ANY CHANCE people may give AI a shot .

It's not like I am calling you out but calling the guy asshole wasn't necessary.

Sure, he may have sounded consdescending in the beginning of the post but there are better ways to discuss that rather than just calling him an asshole.

It's not like I said AI is doing more harm than good. I am just concerned that without proper regulations, it may be getting out of our control and may affect more than one industry.

I'm aware not many give a crap about the voice acting industry but AI isn't really doing any favors to the artist community.

I know it was awful of me and avoiding name calling IS ALWAYS for the best but I just couldnt help it, ESPECIALLY if the post opens with "Well I am not reading ANY of your posts and I am calling you out, despite not really KNOWING what any of the posts being called out say"

[coola]

That was one of reasons for recent anti AI strike, fact corporations could face and voice and make money long after you die is honestly messed up. And like one of Polish Youtubers said, it also kills creativity, we wouldn't get so many different interpretations of James Bond, if corporations had Sean Connery data.

[tinlunlau]

I dunno about you but this clip is hilarious

http://xhslink.com/JzHgqP