How would you rewrite the Boo arc? It's an Earth/magical conflict but it also has heavy ties with the Gods and implications for later stories like Daima and Moro.miguelnuva1 wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:36 am Someone reordered the arcs like this.
Part 1: Mystical Adventures
Arc 1: Pilaf Saga
Arc 2: Curse of The Blood Rubbies Saga
Arc 3: Roshi Training arc/Sleeping Princess in devil's castle Saga
Arc 4: 1st Tournament Saga
Arc 5: Red Ribbon/Path to Power Saga
Arc 6: 2nd Tournament/Mystical Adventure Saga
Arc 7: Demon King Piccolo Saga
Arc 8: 3rd Tournament/Piccolo Jr. Saga
Arc 9: Garlic Jr. Saga(Movie version)
Arc 10: World's Strongest Saga
Arc 11: Buu Saga
With this concludes the Mystical Adventures part of the story the theme of this part is more earth and mystical stuff going on keeping it down to earth. Like I said if your going to make predictions on what happen in the story make sure to scale down the characters so that the main characters can handle the threat.
Part 2: Space Sci-Fi Saga
Arc 12: Saiyan/The Tree of Might Saga
Arc 13: Namek(entirety of it like freeza, ginyu, etc)/Lord Slug Saga
Arc 14: Mecha Freeza/Cooler's revenge Saga
Arc 15: Black Star Dragonballs/Return of Cooler/Broly the legendary Super Saiyan Saga.
Arc 16: Granolah/beibei Saga
Arc 17: Cell(Including androids and Future Trunks)/Super 13/Bio Broly Saga
Arc 18: Moro/Bojack Unbound Saga
Arc 19: Broly Second Coming/DBS Broly Saga
Arc 20: 4th Tournament Saga
Arc 21: Fusion Reborn/Super 17/ROF Saga
Arc 22: Wrath of The Dragon Saga
This is the end of part 2, most of the threats come from space or have a connection to space in some way, I'm curious to find out what'll be said in the comments.
Part 3: Gods saga
Arc 23: Battle of Gods Saga
Arc 24: Future Trunks Saga
Arc 25: U6 vs U7 Saga
Arc 26: Tournament of Power Saga
Arc 27: Shadow Dragons Saga
Arc 27: Peaceful World Saga
Arc 28: Goku Jr. Saga
And with part 3 being the ending to the dragon ball story, I'm currious how you all will say how the arcs connect to one another. I tried to keep it themed base so that everything can fit with each other.
If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?
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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?
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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?
Thinking more about this, I personally don't have an issue with magical beings or gods being stronger than aliens. The Buu arc for example may take place on Earth but I don't think that necessary means it needs to take place before the space arcs, as Buu himself is not really an earthly threat and has direct relations with the Kaioshin. The Moro arc also takes a magical villain from space who tries to surpass gods, but the finale is still suitably placed on Earth.
I also think, depending on where you place it, the Buu arc just gives the perfect excuse for Vegeta to unlock Super Saiyan. I would find Majin Vegeta way more appealing if rather than just arbitrary wanting a rematch with Goku he was still obsessed with the Super Saiyan concept. You lose the family aspect and his final sacrifice, but it's already useless anyways despite being an emotionally powerful scene. It would give an actual reason for Vegeta to screw things up rather than what he does in the actual Cell and Buu arcs where his pride screws everyone over but they never really hold it against him. The story never really gets satisfying reasons for Bulma to be with him anyways, or for any character but Ten Shin Han to doubt his place on Earth...
Of course, that would mean changing how the transformation is handled, but I always thought it would sell better the idea of Gohan's potential if he never needed to transform to keep up. And if you place the Cell arc before the Saiyan's arrival, you can't have Trunks use Super Saiyan either because he wouldn't even be Vegeta's son (trough learning about a second SS could be what pushes Vegeta over the edge if he didn't archive it himself, so you could move the time travel plot elsewhere...but that changes the Cell arc so massively you may as well just remove it and have Super Hero as the only return of the RR).
Similarly, if flowing through the forms is really more efficient than just evading everything somehow, I don't see why Whis is not asking Goku to also pursue the tecnique or why the Angels don't have both, specially as teachers of the Hakaishins.
I also think, depending on where you place it, the Buu arc just gives the perfect excuse for Vegeta to unlock Super Saiyan. I would find Majin Vegeta way more appealing if rather than just arbitrary wanting a rematch with Goku he was still obsessed with the Super Saiyan concept. You lose the family aspect and his final sacrifice, but it's already useless anyways despite being an emotionally powerful scene. It would give an actual reason for Vegeta to screw things up rather than what he does in the actual Cell and Buu arcs where his pride screws everyone over but they never really hold it against him. The story never really gets satisfying reasons for Bulma to be with him anyways, or for any character but Ten Shin Han to doubt his place on Earth...
Of course, that would mean changing how the transformation is handled, but I always thought it would sell better the idea of Gohan's potential if he never needed to transform to keep up. And if you place the Cell arc before the Saiyan's arrival, you can't have Trunks use Super Saiyan either because he wouldn't even be Vegeta's son (trough learning about a second SS could be what pushes Vegeta over the edge if he didn't archive it himself, so you could move the time travel plot elsewhere...but that changes the Cell arc so massively you may as well just remove it and have Super Hero as the only return of the RR).
My issue with that is that then the one that becomes pointless is Ultra Instict. It's supposed to evade moves without the user needing to think about doing so, making them faster that way. If the character needs the wisdom or rather, to take the decision on when to activate or not the ability based on rationale, that already goes against what is supposed to do. It wouldn't be any different from Gogeta just having Ultra Ego but knowing what attacks to evade, just like Vegeta evades Granolah and Gas' Hakai attacks. The balance of both forms is just fighting normally but ocasionally taking some hits to power yourself up. I'm also not sure if anyone could realistically switch from being completely calm to the point of not thinking to being the opposite and wanting to destroy and thrill on the battle, then back and so on. Vegeta himself already had a hard time first using Ego because he couldn't become as ruthless as he was supposed to be.Hugo Boss wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:07 pm You're absolutely right to point out that Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego are fundamentally opposed in their mechanics, which is what makes the idea of a fusion between the two so intriguing. Fusion often transcends the limitations of individual techniques, creating entirely new abilities. So, rather than thinking of Ultra Fusion as a simple combination where both forms would be used as they are individually, I imagine it as a new state that harmonizes the conflicting principles.
Here’s how it could work: Ultra Instinct would provide the defensive agility and precision to dodge when necessary, while Ultra Ego would allow the user to absorb and embrace attacks strategically when taking a hit could offer a greater advantage. It wouldn't be about constantly dodging or constantly taking damage; it would be about finding a balance, where the fused warrior has the wisdom to know when to evade and when to take a blow to grow stronger.
This kind of balance—between defense and offense, instinct and ego—would make for a new technique that reflects both the divine calm of Ultra Instinct and the fierce power of Ultra Ego. Instead of canceling each other out, they would complement each other by allowing the warrior to flow between both states depending on the situation, making them adaptable to any threat.
In essence, it wouldn’t be about combining their raw mechanics but rather creating a new fusion form that utilizes the strengths of both in a synergistic way.
Similarly, if flowing through the forms is really more efficient than just evading everything somehow, I don't see why Whis is not asking Goku to also pursue the tecnique or why the Angels don't have both, specially as teachers of the Hakaishins.
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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?
For instance, Gogeta could instinctively evade attacks (Ultra Instinct), but, when overwhelmed, apply aggressive force (Ultra Ego) in reaction. This would require a heightened level of mental discipline, not to use both at the same time, but to know when to rely on each. It’s not a simple “off-switch” but more of a tactical shift that would flow with the battle’s rhythm. This could also be tied to the idea of Gogeta being a short-term fusion — capable of pulling off this level of mental switching but only for a limited time before the fusion splits, reflecting the strain of balancing these powers.
Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?
Was thinking of a way to include the movies.
Earth:
1. Pilaf arc + Curse of the Blood Rubies
2. Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle
3. 21st Tenkaichi Budokai
4. Red Ribbon Army + Mystical Adventure - I've always liked Chaozu's backstory, I'm sure there's a way to rework it so it leads into the 22nd Budokai since there's a tie between Tenshinhan and the RRA via Tao.
5. 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai
6. Piccolo Daimao + Artificial Humans - Taking Julie's idea of introducing the androids here.
7. Garlic Jr. - Serves as a way to showcase God and Popo's power to set up Piccolo Jr even better as a threat.
8. 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai
9. The World's Strongest - Fittingly the final Earthling conflict for Goku before the space invaders. The androids introduced earlier could be featured in this arc too somehow. Maybe Wheelo and Gero were old rivals?
Universe 7
1. Saiyan arc
2. Namek arc - Super Saiyan is introduced here like in the real series.
3. The Survivors (Granolah, Baby, Raichi, Heaters, Bojack, Tullece, Slug) - Not sure exactly on the details but I was thinking of a post-Freeza arc functioning as a sort of universe restructure and showcase of new warring factions after the Freeza empire's collapse: we got the revenge-seekers (Granolah, the Tuffles), the entrepreneurs trying to take Freeza's place (Heaters, Tullece), and generic space bandits (Bojack, Slug). The arc can be an adventure across the universe like the RRA or GT's first arc, with Granolah as the introductory character and reluctant ally and Baby as the main villain. Maybe Goku is missing after Namek, Shenlong can't locate or wish him back, and the gang decides to try to find him, kickstarting the adventure?
4. Coola's Revenge + Resurrection F - We can then follow into Coola coming into the scene to try to save the empire and maybe finding Freeza's remains, healing him as Mecha Freeza, who'd then become a reocurring character.
5. Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan closes out Universe 7's mortal threats as its strongest character. Pretty much the same premise as DBS Broly, with Freeza finding him and using him as a ploy for revenge. Not sure how the climax works without fusion but I wouldn't mind Goku defeating Broly with just regular Super Saiyan.
The Gods:
1. Super 17/Superhero/Cell - Trunks is introduced here and Cell works as the culmination of every strong being in the mortal realm. Trunks' time travel being a divine sin may lead to the Gods being introduced. Arc still ends with Gohan unlocking Super Saiyan 2.
2. Boo - I liked the idea someone suggested of Vegeta unlocking Super Saiyan for the first time here through Babidi's magic, though not sure what this means for his battle power and usefulness in battle for prior arcs.
3. Moro - Merus' character may need to be reworked to fit in here. Goku's big transformation moment at the end of the arc can be any Super Saiyan form from 2, 3, 4 to God, depending on how earlier arcs were written and how slow/fast we want to take the power escalation.
4. The Demon World (Daima) - Hirudegarn and Janemba can be introduced here as demonic entities.
The Multiverse:
1. Battle of Gods
2. Universe 6
3. Black Freeza - Not sure if this arc is ever gonna happen but I didn't want two tournament arcs in a row. You can replace this maybe with some Heroes arcs like Prison Planet without a lot of the greater time travel implications.
4. Tournament of Power
5. Goku Black
6. Shadow Dragons
Was thinking of a way to write the Heroes arcs in too but timeline stuff is such a huge escalation. The Cell and Zamasu arcs dabble in it but it's not to the scale Heroes does. I think Hearts should be included somewhere since his goal to take down Zeno is endgame stuff and not necessarily time travel-related, so maybe place him after the ToP and before Goku Black.
Earth:
1. Pilaf arc + Curse of the Blood Rubies
2. Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle
3. 21st Tenkaichi Budokai
4. Red Ribbon Army + Mystical Adventure - I've always liked Chaozu's backstory, I'm sure there's a way to rework it so it leads into the 22nd Budokai since there's a tie between Tenshinhan and the RRA via Tao.
5. 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai
6. Piccolo Daimao + Artificial Humans - Taking Julie's idea of introducing the androids here.
7. Garlic Jr. - Serves as a way to showcase God and Popo's power to set up Piccolo Jr even better as a threat.
8. 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai
9. The World's Strongest - Fittingly the final Earthling conflict for Goku before the space invaders. The androids introduced earlier could be featured in this arc too somehow. Maybe Wheelo and Gero were old rivals?
Universe 7
1. Saiyan arc
2. Namek arc - Super Saiyan is introduced here like in the real series.
3. The Survivors (Granolah, Baby, Raichi, Heaters, Bojack, Tullece, Slug) - Not sure exactly on the details but I was thinking of a post-Freeza arc functioning as a sort of universe restructure and showcase of new warring factions after the Freeza empire's collapse: we got the revenge-seekers (Granolah, the Tuffles), the entrepreneurs trying to take Freeza's place (Heaters, Tullece), and generic space bandits (Bojack, Slug). The arc can be an adventure across the universe like the RRA or GT's first arc, with Granolah as the introductory character and reluctant ally and Baby as the main villain. Maybe Goku is missing after Namek, Shenlong can't locate or wish him back, and the gang decides to try to find him, kickstarting the adventure?
4. Coola's Revenge + Resurrection F - We can then follow into Coola coming into the scene to try to save the empire and maybe finding Freeza's remains, healing him as Mecha Freeza, who'd then become a reocurring character.
5. Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan closes out Universe 7's mortal threats as its strongest character. Pretty much the same premise as DBS Broly, with Freeza finding him and using him as a ploy for revenge. Not sure how the climax works without fusion but I wouldn't mind Goku defeating Broly with just regular Super Saiyan.
The Gods:
1. Super 17/Superhero/Cell - Trunks is introduced here and Cell works as the culmination of every strong being in the mortal realm. Trunks' time travel being a divine sin may lead to the Gods being introduced. Arc still ends with Gohan unlocking Super Saiyan 2.
2. Boo - I liked the idea someone suggested of Vegeta unlocking Super Saiyan for the first time here through Babidi's magic, though not sure what this means for his battle power and usefulness in battle for prior arcs.
3. Moro - Merus' character may need to be reworked to fit in here. Goku's big transformation moment at the end of the arc can be any Super Saiyan form from 2, 3, 4 to God, depending on how earlier arcs were written and how slow/fast we want to take the power escalation.
4. The Demon World (Daima) - Hirudegarn and Janemba can be introduced here as demonic entities.
The Multiverse:
1. Battle of Gods
2. Universe 6
3. Black Freeza - Not sure if this arc is ever gonna happen but I didn't want two tournament arcs in a row. You can replace this maybe with some Heroes arcs like Prison Planet without a lot of the greater time travel implications.
4. Tournament of Power
5. Goku Black
6. Shadow Dragons
Was thinking of a way to write the Heroes arcs in too but timeline stuff is such a huge escalation. The Cell and Zamasu arcs dabble in it but it's not to the scale Heroes does. I think Hearts should be included somewhere since his goal to take down Zeno is endgame stuff and not necessarily time travel-related, so maybe place him after the ToP and before Goku Black.
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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?
Prologue
Act 1: Earth Saga
Act 2: Space Saga
Act 3: Gods Saga
Epilogue
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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?
I was thinking about this question again...
I think there should have been an arc immediately after Frieza destroyed the Earth in Resurrection F.
No rewind BS from Whis. The Earth is destroyed, the Namekian Dragon Balls can't restore Earth right away, and the survivors have to find the Super Dragon Balls to bring everyone back.
This could have lead into Champa's Tournament where stakes are raised and there is no Vegeta to back Goku up. A tournament Gohan doesn't sit out of because he has a conference.
I think there should have been an arc immediately after Frieza destroyed the Earth in Resurrection F.
No rewind BS from Whis. The Earth is destroyed, the Namekian Dragon Balls can't restore Earth right away, and the survivors have to find the Super Dragon Balls to bring everyone back.
This could have lead into Champa's Tournament where stakes are raised and there is no Vegeta to back Goku up. A tournament Gohan doesn't sit out of because he has a conference.