The Kaioshin-Destroyer God link creates a lot of problems

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

i dont know why super decided to make it so when a kaioshin dies the god of destruction dies as well because it creates major problems with both super and z.

for once, if thats the case then the gods of destruction would not be sleeping while enemies slay kaioshins across all universes like zamasu did, you telling me that 12 gods of desturctions just let zamasu killing their kaioshins just like that? because its obvious that they would kill him with a blink of an eye. so why would they allow this? like the elephent god of universe 10. why would he allow zamasu kill gowasu in that timeline? hes a god. if his life is connected to him he should be one guard all the time

it also create a problem with the buu arc. beerus could care less about earth maybe, but buu nearly killed shin which if he did that would kill beerus as well. so beerus was sleeping. why would he be sleeping when he need to guard his kaioshin

or better yet. why making them linked anyway. it just created problems with the story.

[Rafa Fast]

I know why, because that was a plot device made to help Zamasu be "only god in the multiverse" as he wanted, but I consider it to be problematic too, specialy when there is still Zeno alive and Zamasu's "reign" probably wouldn't last for so long as Zeno and Daishinkan would notice that all Hakaishins and Kaioshins disappeared after some time.
We can say that it was also made in order to create a weak point for the Hakaishins as they are too strong, but now why they wouldn't try to at least hide that weak point? Maybe it's to show how carefree the Hakaishins are?
If that's the case, then I personally think it would've been better if they weren't linked, as that could show how they don't care about how everything is destroyed in the universe, such as Boo devastating the Kaioshin world, leaving Zamasu free to kill a lot of mortals wouldn't make a difference for them.

If I recall correctly, the only explanation Super gave for this link to exist outside of Zamasu saga, was that this was the reason for Beerus to seal the Ro Kaioshin inside the Z Sword, so no one would be able to kill him, and Ro Kaioshin was the one connected to Beerus before East Kaioshin. So at least in this case, Beerus was careful.
But if he did this to Ro Kaioshin, then why didn't he do the same to East Kaioshin?
Maybe because Beerus was convinced that there was no other being in the universe stronger than the Kaioshin? East Kaioshin was stronger than Freeza, and Dai Kaioshin could "defeat" Moro, that could've made Beerus see no need in sealing East Kaioshin.

[Dbzk1999]

If I recall correctly, the only explanation Super gave for this link to exist outside of Zamasu saga, was that this was the reason for Beerus to seal the Ro Kaioshin inside the Z Sword, so no one would be able to kill him, and Ro Kaioshin was the one connected to Beerus before East Kaioshin. So at least in this case, Beerus was careful.
But if he did this to Ro Kaioshin, then why didn't he do the same to East Kaioshin?

Because he didn’t do it so no one would kill him (like he was protecting him) He did it because they got into an argument with each other and Beerus’ short tempered self chose to seal him inside the sword rather than flat out kill him (and himself) over it.

Who was it that sealed the Elder Kaiōshin away in the Z Sword?

The Kaiōshin (who create planets) and the Gods of Destruction (who destroy them) have never gotten along that well, but once every 1,000 years they go to each other’s realms and hold a coordination meeting. At this time, they got into an argument over some trifling thing, and a certain short-tempered God of Destruction sealed Elder Kaiōshin away inside a sword. Naturally, it wouldn’t have been proper for him to destroy the Kaiōshin Realm itself. By the way, that God of Destruction was Beerus.

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations ... mysteries/

[Rafa Fast]

If I recall correctly, the only explanation Super gave for this link to exist outside of Zamasu saga, was that this was the reason for Beerus to seal the Ro Kaioshin inside the Z Sword, so no one would be able to kill him, and Ro Kaioshin was the one connected to Beerus before East Kaioshin. So at least in this case, Beerus was careful.
But if he did this to Ro Kaioshin, then why didn't he do the same to East Kaioshin?

Because he didn’t do it so no one would kill him (like he was protecting him) He did it because they got into an argument with each other and Beerus’ short tempered self chose to seal him inside the sword rather than flat out kill him (and himself) over it.

Who was it that sealed the Elder Kaiōshin away in the Z Sword?

The Kaiōshin (who create planets) and the Gods of Destruction (who destroy them) have never gotten along that well, but once every 1,000 years they go to each other’s realms and hold a coordination meeting. At this time, they got into an argument over some trifling thing, and a certain short-tempered God of Destruction sealed Elder Kaiōshin away inside a sword. Naturally, it wouldn’t have been proper for him to destroy the Kaiōshin Realm itself. By the way, that God of Destruction was Beerus.

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations ... mysteries/

I remember that interview, but wasn't that adressed later in Super? Then I'm misremembering, though, it's weird if you consider some things, like, Toriyama said that "Kaioshins are born as Kaioshins, no one can become a Kaioshin", but Super established that actually Kaijins can become Kaioshins, and that Kaioshins aren't born as Kaioshins, at least not all of them.
Unless when saying "Kaioshin" he actually referred to the people of Kaioshin-sei as a whole, then that would mean "No one other than a Kaijin can become a Kaioshin, they're born as Kaijins and then become Kaioshins" is the most technically correct way to say it, he probably wasn't thinking about it in 2014 when the Zamasu saga wasn't a thing yet, but I think we can very well adapt what he said to the new concepts presented in Super and still make it work.

[ZombieVito]

Goku Black has Kai Kai. He can kill all 12 Kaioshins in seconds.

[SupremeKai25]

With Kai Kai, Zamasu is able to move across the Multiverse instantly. It is a method of travel unique to the Supreme Kais that is superior to even the Angels'. For example, it was Shin who brought the group to Zeno's Palace, not Whis.

I suppose this is also how Zamasu was able to collect the Super Dragon Balls without alerting anyone. The Supreme Kais might be outclassed in physical strength by the protagonists, but they do still have some tricks up their sleeve.

Think about how Zamasu, seconds after gaining Goku's body somewhere in deep space, appeared instantly on Earth.

As for Beerus, he is bad at his job.

[Thani]

Tbf, it makes sense. A rogue kaioshin seems like an unprecedented thing to the gods, so no one predicted Zamasu happening. He just had to teleport in x universe, have him and Black kill the resident kaioshin, and teleport out before anyone could realize anything happened. Rinse and repeat.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Something else to note is that Kaioshin aren't supposed to interact with their Universes and the Mortals they oversee.

That's the job of the Hakaishin, with the Kaioshin in an advisory role and creating new celestial bodies and mortals after any destruction.

Not to mention that they're generally meant to be a lot stronger than most mortals, with the average evidently being just a touch below Perfect Cell which is ludicrously strong.

[Grimlock]

Yeah, not a fan of this idea. It's just so random that a God of Destruction life "must be" linked to Kaioshin. What is the necessity for it? It becomes even more problematic once you remember that there were (and there should have been) five Kaioshins. Either Kaioshins should have been stronger or Gods of Destruction should have been weaker, the latter requires some explanation too. Is there any necessity for them to be that strong? Why couldn't Kaioshins train with the angels too? That way, that link between them either wouldn't matter much or they would try to protect it at all costs (that is, Beerus wouldn't be "sleeping" most of the time).

If anything, there should probably have a link with Makaioshins, as they are also the counterparts to Kaioshins, let's see if Dragon Ball Daima addresses it, though I'm not expecting it at all. Not with the Gods of Destruction since they don't share the same origins, as far as we know.

[taikufuru]

It has already been said here that this is a justification for Zamasu to overthrow the Gods of Destruction and put the Angels into inactivity. Even though it may sound like an easy trick, it does not differ from the series that has already established a link between the lives of the God of Earth and the Great Demon King.

And since the functions of the Kaioshins and the Gods of Destruction exist for the balance of the universe, it makes sense that they are linked. There is a poetic side to this. "Before creation, comes destruction." A cycle.

[Thani]

It has already been said here that this is a justification for Zamasu to overthrow the Gods of Destruction and put the Angels into inactivity. Even though it may sound like an easy trick, it does not differ from the series that has already established a link between the lives of the God of Earth and the Great Demon King.

And since the functions of the Kaioshins and the Gods of Destruction exist for the balance of the universe, it makes sense that they are linked. There is a poetic side to this. "Before creation, comes destruction." A cycle.

This, right here. All of this.

Dragonball is, was and shall continue to be a series geared towards young teens and children. So it's gonna have a simple story, and it's lore is gonna reinforce said simple story. That's what we all have to keep in mind.

[Peach]

It's weird for sure. Remember Majin Buu? Who went around killing Supreme Kais? You would think Beerus would have stepped in or at least been aware of Buu since he was killing his lifelines. Why didn't the elephant stop Zamasu instead of Beerus? He didn't seem to care or get involved in the series at all despite being killed.

[SupremeKai25]

It's weird for sure. Remember Majin Buu? Who went around killing Supreme Kais? You would think Beerus would have stepped in or at least been aware of Buu since he was killing his lifelines. Why didn't the elephant stop Zamasu instead of Beerus? He didn't seem to care or get involved in the series at all despite being killed.

Dragon Ball Gods are incompetent, and they are not actual "Gods", they are really just incompetent middle-managers.

This includes Zamasu too unfortunately. Bro spent an entire episode monologuing in the sky instead of finishing off the Saiyans.

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

Goku Black has Kai Kai. He can kill all 12 Kaioshins in seconds.

he may has that but 12 different gods of destruction should anticipated that and react even quicker

[Thani]

Goku Black has Kai Kai. He can kill all 12 Kaioshins in seconds.

he may has that but 12 different gods of destruction should anticipated that and react even quicker

If they were physically present, sure. But we never see them teleport, and not even angels like Whis are fast enough to get to the Kaioshin Realm in instants.

Black and Zamasu killing all 12 kaioshin with kai kai is actually very, very feasible.

[Hellspawn28]

Goku Black and Zamasu probably use a ship to travel across the 12 worlds to kill the Kaioshin besides Shin (he was already dead). They probably killed the Kaioshins before they can do anything.

[nineko]

I wonder if Beerus became young in Daima because of his connection to Shin. He's currently sleeping according to canon, and I'm 99% sure that they're not going to explore this route, though it would be fun if the last episode of Daima could have a shot of Whis saying something like "I'm glad they could sort that out, I wouldn't have wanted to deal with a baby Beerus" as a gag (even though Whis would probably have the power to restore Beerus himself).

[Thani]

Goku Black and Zamasu probably use a ship to travel across the 12 worlds to kill the Kaioshin besides Shin (he was already dead). They probably killed the Kaioshins before they can do anything.

They only need to have Kai Kai, which at least Zamasu as a Kai-Ö and, more importantly, a Kaioshin apprentice/attendant (like Kibito), does have. And the Kai Kai can go outside the universe, as both Shin and Gowasu demonstrated in Super.