Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 8 - Official Discussion Thread

[VegettoEX]

Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 8

タマガミ
Tamagami
Tamagami

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Kanzenshuu Episode Guide Page:

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/daima/eps-008/

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Release Information:

JAPAN:
Date: November 29, 2024
Time: 11:40 p.m
Channel: Fuji TV

INTERNATIONAL STREAMING:
Date: November 29, 2024
Sources: Simulcast streams include Crunchyroll (North America, Central America, South America, Europe, Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Indian subcontinent, Southeast Asia, and Middle East); delayed streams include Netflix (Asia/global)

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[Xeogran]

Best Daima Episode as of yet, that fight was glorious. I also liked the shuffle game that Tamagami decided to play at the end.

Spoiler:

It was kind of similar to Gotoh's Coin Game from Hunter x Hunter, down to the same result of Gon/Goku pointing behind themselves
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments ... coin_game/

Lots of plot revelations, but I'll allow others to talk about it.

Spoiler:

The leaks turned out to be true, suspected that would be the case since the Mr. Popo reveal back in Episode 2.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

That was a fantastic fight between Goku and Tamagami #3 with Goku even managing to ascend to Super Saiyan 2 in his mini form! I like how the Tamagami came to really respect Goku's fair play as a martial artist and all-around chill guy. Even when he's relatively static himself, we see how he really ends up getting along with folks for his simple but pure nature.

But not only did it have an amazing fight, but it had huge new plot reveals! The nature of Majin Buu has really been expanded on, with brand new context for the original ideas behind his creation and Arinsu's plans.

[MisteryOne]

Awesome episode. It's amusing that a short battle with a pretty generic opponent got such cool choreography. The weapon part was way better than when it became ki blast spam but at least Goku didn't take forever to transform. The rest of the episode was very interesting as well. It's kind of ironic Toriyama tried to make a point back then about how Buu wasn't created and Bibidi just knew how to control its hibernation only for years later just go with "oh yeah he was still a creation, just by this other character".
Not much to say but that's not a bad thing. I only hope Goku struggles more with the next Tamagami and it doesn't just suddenly go from him besting one without SS3 to needing fusion or whatever. Second Demon Wolrd should have sea stuff. I hope we get more interesting scenery.

Spoiler:

The leaks turned out to be true, suspected that would be the case since the Mr. Popo reveal back in Episode 2.

We knew the leaks were true since the very beggining. I'm not exactly a big fan of who leaked then, but there was no reason to doubt them when they got the entire premise of the series and trailer stuff right.

[Grimlock]

How I missed hearing the lightning effects of the greastest form of Super Saiyan! But of course my happiness wouldn't last long as Goku reverts back just a few moments after. I'm glad that they didn't mess up the hairstyle by making it look like its previous form, that would completely ruin the moment. I can only hope that this is not the only time Super Saiyan 2 will show up.

Long-haired Panzy, so cute! Please keep her like this for a while, thank you.

Spoiler:

Is this Goku!? Damn, I can barely recognize him as they actually dared to change his clothes for once!

Spoiler:

[nato25]

Glad I avoided these leaks everyone was talking about.

How exciting! An epic fight then heaps of cool lore implications for the series with some world expansion! Love it!

Tamagami fight was terrific, that was SSJ2 at the end do you think? Loved the finishing blow. The fact they paired the classic Z sound effects here with the new animation feels so right.

So the 'M' never stood for Majin this entire time? I'm guessing it's to represent this new character's name. Thank god we can throw out the 'Buu existed since time immemorial' lore drop from that interview now.

Great to see Babidi name dropped and they even mentioned how Buu killed the kai's, I guess in reference to Nahare's story from the Buu Saga. So much fun.

[The Iron Fjord]

Daima episode 8, more like Daima episode GREAT! The fight between Goku and Tama 3 was the best animated, and choreographed fight so far. I was gonna complain that SSJ Goku one-shot him after the Kamehame-ha, but then I saw the sparks of lightning and it made more sense, I still hope the other Tama guys are stronger though. More great lore stuff this episode with Arinsu gathering up the Boo vapours now wants me to make edits of the Boo Arc where she goes and collects more pieces of Boo. The Majin Witch lady with no legs being Boo's true maker, and Bibidi simply asking her to make him is a bit of a cop-out, but maybe we'll get more background on Bibidi, Babidi, Dabura, Boo and the other Glinds. Episode 9 looks like it's gonna be a fun, lowish stakes episode to unwind with, and I would assume episode 10 is when they finally rendezvous with Vegeta, and them.

Also, my wife returned!

[Jord]

Fair episode. I liked the fight at the beginning, even though it ended a bit generic. The animation was great and I loved how these used the lighting in it. i'd rather have a short cool looking fight than a needlessly dragged on fight. It's too bad that after the fight they decided that they needed to play a carnival game in order to decide of Goku gets the Dragon Ball.

I'm not really a fan of the "this is what really happened during the Buu saga, which was written 30 years ago" stuff. It feels desperate and clinging on to past success instead of forging a new story with it's own identity. That being said, I did like witch's house setting.

I wonder when the B squad finally gets to do something other than talk.

[Grimlock]

Forgot to mention, but Arinsu gave off some serious Towa's vibes in this episode, complete with her sitting on the staff while floating and everything. I'd prefer to have her around, if they don't mind.

It's cool that they acknowledged that it was Bibidi who created Buu before inevitably retconning it, though unnecessary. It'd be terrible if they had acknowledged that Buu "existed since time immemorial" before changing it. Buu doesn't need to have three distinctive origins all at play and at once.

[nineko]

Nice episode. The fight was interesting and it didn't overstay its welcome, and some revelations came into play.

On the downside, I really don't like what they're doing with the other characters. Let's fix Nahare's ship! Actually, let's use this other one. Let's meet up with the others! Actually, let's go to Warp Sama.

Also, how did Hybis know that Vegeta still considers himself a prince? He would technically be king by birth right since his father died, but still...

[Koitsukai]

Loved it, loved the fight, loved the SS transformatiom, loved seeing SS2 again, loved the mini-game the fight unlocked, I loved T-3. I loved that the fight wasn't stretched out just because, for the spectacle.

Arinsu being on Earth seemed shoehorned at first, but it's a DB trope by now. That little RR bee-bot, Beerus being behind everything...

So, Buu is an actual creation, not an already-existing entity Bibid just summoned like interview-enthusiasts were led to believe? see, this is why things said in interviews are just that: things said in interviews. They do not override the final product, as shown today.
So far, Babidi remains Bibidi's son, which makes more sense since he looks nothing like a clon. And Bibidi wasn't as powerful as we believed either.
Although, Bibidi cannot be a Majin because of the ears, I hope we learn more about him later on.

Arinsu said after Buu's original rampage, Glinds ran away from Dai Makai, meaning the 2nd Realm should be mostly Glind-free, maybe even the trees left? We know Shin and their godly brothers were already on U7 by the time that happened. I think we can say there are no other Glinds left on U7, so probably Buu exterminated most Glinds once he reached U7, not just the 4 Kaioshin. Unless they spread all over the multiverse, but narratively is richer to have Buu exerminate most of Nahare's race and not just his bros in office.

[VegettoEX]

I'm not sure (yet) that the "existed since time immemorial" is necessarily in contrast or otherwise contradicted by what we've learned (so far) from this episode. The character is credited as a "Great Witch" and we've already seen that folks in the Demon Realm are capable of extending lives... so what if she's quite literally ancient?

It could also just be another one of the meeting-in-the-middle tidbits (between original lore vs. guidebook lore that we've already seen countless times in this series), but I wouldn't strike it down so fast there.

[AliTheZombie13]

Good:
- Great episode.
- It feels like the show ACTUALLY STARTED here. The plot is finally moving. Compared to other episodes, this was a breeze.
- Oh my, a villain with actual plans, motivations, scheming and charisma... IN DRAGON BALL??? Where have you been all my life, Arinsu?
- The initial fight scene was beautifully animated and coreographed, but still...

Bad:
- ...it followed Dragon Ball's tradition of wasting my time with the characters doing all this show-off, just so Goku could turn Super Saiyan and easily overpower the enemy.

Misc:
- Everybody getting impressed by Goku going Super Saiyan and his strength, plus the repeat of the information that Glorio is working for Arinsu confirmed my suspicions that the pointless, boring Minotaur episode was indeed boring and pointless.
- I kinda wished that the Tamagami vanished into smoke at the end, to make the characters question the morality of defeating them. Maybe with Goku, Panzy or Shin going "Is it really okay for us to do this?" and Glorio rebutting them with "You want your adult bodies back and to save your friend, right?" Would make for far a better argument that the characters aren't necessarily heroes than whatever Z and Super did.
- "And Arinsu was there, and she knew everybody, and she knew this witch, and this witch was who actually created Majin Boo-" Stop. Toriyama, please STOP shitting over your lore and taking agency away from your past villains.

[nato25]

Good:
- It feels like the show ACTUALLY STARTED here. The plot is finally moving. Compared to other episodes, this was a breeze.
- Oh my, a villain with actual plans, motivations, scheming and charisma... IN DRAGON BALL??? Where have you been all my life, Arinsu?
- The initial fight scene was beautifully animated and coreographed, but still...

Bad:
- ...it followed Dragon Ball's tradition of wasting my time with the characters doing all this show-off, just so Goku could turn Super Saiyan and easily overpower the enemy.

Misc:
- Everybody getting impressed by Goku going Super Saiyan and his strength, plus the repeat of the information that Glorio is working for Arinsu confirmed my suspicions that the pointless, boring Minotaur episode was indeed boring and pointless.
- I kinda wished that the Tamagami vanished into smoke at the end, to make the characters question the morality of defeating them. Maybe with Goku, Panzy or Shin going "Is it really okay for us to do this?" and Glorio rebutting them with "You want your adult bodies back and to save your friend, right?" Would make for far a better argument that the characters aren't necessarily heroes than whatever Z and Super did.
- "And Arinsu was there, and she knew everybody, and she knew this witch, and this witch was who actually created Majin Boo-" Stop. Toriyama, please STOP shitting over your lore and taking agency away from your past villains.

Which past villains lose agency because of this?

[AliTheZombie13]

Which past villains lose agency because of this?

Bibidi, Babidi, Boo.

[shadowfox87]

I'm not sure (yet) that the "existed since time immemorial" is necessarily in contrast or otherwise contradicted by what we've learned (so far) from this episode. The character is credited as a "Great Witch" and we've already seen that folks in the Demon Realm are capable of extending lives... so what if she's quite literally ancient?

It could also just be another one of the meeting-in-the-middle tidbits (between original lore vs. guidebook lore that we've already seen countless times in this series), but I wouldn't strike it down so fast there.

Yes, it's interesting. It was said that Bibidi just used magic to "summon" Buu. Buu absorbs the evil elements from mankind. What if the Witch simply tapped into the evil that existed since time immemorial and transferred its essence into a physical form?

I do also find the similarities between Arinsu and Towa intriguing. I'm excited to see this new Majin Buu.

[JulieYBM]

Damn, that was a good fight. I'm glad that the key animators got the opporunity to animate the backgrounds for their action cuts, too. That always makes the sense of speed much more impactful.

The Arinsu stuff was a fun as always, too. I imagine that her plan is to create a fighter capable of helping her defeat Gomah and take over the throne, but what I'm really curious about is why she's doing all this. What motivates her?

I hope that Tamagami #1 and #2 are both fought by Piccolo and Vegeta, although I kind of suspect that the series won't dare to not have Gokuu involved somehow. I guess it would be really cool if all three had to work together to defeat #2 an #1 because of how much more powerful they are than #3.

Anyway, Episode #9 is going to be awesome since we get to see the characters wearing different clothes! It gets pretty boring seeing them in the same outfits all the time.

[MisteryOne]

Glad I avoided these leaks everyone was talking about.

Just a heads up so you are still careful, the leaks mention a lot of other yet unseen stuff too. So you may want to still try to avoid them. Just saying because I know it's very easy to lower your back when Dragonball is so big and so many people talk about it.

Also, how did Hybis know that Vegeta still considers himself a prince? He would technically be king by birth right since his father died, but still...

He didn't know. He said Vegeta talks and demands like a king but he isn't one. That's like, the logical conclusion. As far as he knows, none of these people he is picking up are royalty. He has not been told anything like that. He's basically just saying Vegeta is over his head.

Which past villains lose agency because of this?

Bibidi, Babidi, Boo.

How does Buu lose any agency with this?

He's still a creation who went rogue. The only difference now is that he wasn't created by Bibiddi but rather by the witch. That...changes nothing. He followed Babiddi because he knew how to seal him again. That was literally said in the Buu arc. His act of rebellion against him is still that.

You could also argue Babidi doesn't either, given his plan was just to revive Buu and use him as revenge. Buu was still used by his father and he still has reasons to hate Shin. That doesn't change. The only one who is directly affected is Bibiddi.

I'm not exactly a big fan of this whole "retcons disguised as revelations" Toriyama did so much in modern Dragonball either, but this is a far cry from Beerus telling Frieza to destroy Planet Vegeta.

The Arinsu stuff was a fun as always, too. I imagine that her plan is to create a fighter capable of helping her defeat Gomah and take over the throne, but what I'm really curious about is why she's doing all this. What motivates her?

I hope that Tamagami #1 and #2 are both fought by Piccolo and Vegeta, although I kind of suspect that the series won't dare to not have Gokuu involved somehow. I guess it would be really cool if all three had to work together to defeat #2 an #1 because of how much more powerful they are than #3.

Wasn't it literally stated she wants to be Supreme King (Queen in English but still) of the realm? That seems like a good enough motivation for her given Dragonball standards. Given the authority the title apparently gives you over three different worlds and how she needed money to keep funding her research as said in episode 1...any power-hungry person would want to take over the throne.

There is no way they don't involve Goku again in the big fights, so I'm hoping they need to be taken down in a group. It's already bad enough Glorio, Panzy and even Shin are completely useless in getting the Dragon Balls, I really don't want Piccolo and Vegeta to be added to the cast just so they take turns fighting big enemies.

[JulieYBM]

I'll take having Marba be the creator of Majin Buu if it means replacing "arrogant male demon guy" with "tired old woman who is so done with this shit." Like, it's not exactly like Bibidi was that big a part of Majin Buu's arc. If anything, it adds characterization to an otherwise thankless role.

[nato25]

Which past villains lose agency because of this?

Bibidi, Babidi, Boo.

Maybe my lore knowledge is a little rusty, but in my opinion:

Boo - the creator might be different now but I don't see how Boo loses any agency. He's evil nature doesn't seem contradicted here and it's said he went on a rampage, as we see him do in the flashbacks against the kais and when he returns to his kid boo form. He's still a chaotic menace that doesn't seem to care who his owner is.

Babidi - still wishes to carry out his father's ambitions and wants boo to do his evil bidding. He didn't know if any of this seemingly so don't see how he loses agency either, all his actions would probably have been the same if he knew otherwise.

Bibidi - I guess he seems a little less threatening as he can't conjure boo himself but bibidi as a character is so underdeveloped I hardly think it matters. He still has evil motives even if he needed a slight bit of help.