Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 11 - Official Discussion Thread

[VegettoEX]

Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 11

デンセツ
Densetsu
Legend

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Kanzenshuu Episode Guide Page:

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/daima/eps-011/

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Release Information:

JAPAN:
Date: December 20, 2024
Time: Around 11:45 p.m (slight delay due to a Figure Skating Championships broadcast)
Channel: Fuji TV

INTERNATIONAL STREAMING:
Date: December 20, 2024
Sources: Simulcast streams include Crunchyroll (North America, Central America, South America, Europe, Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Indian subcontinent, Southeast Asia, and Middle East); delayed streams include Netflix (Asia/global)

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[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Majin Duu! I quite like how chuffed Kuu is to have a brother.

And aside from the chocolate fiasco, he does seem more than willing to play ball. And he definitely channels that chaotic Pure Buu energy in his fight with Tamagami #1 better than Kuu did, evidently being very unpredictable and deceptively strong to give the straight-laced guardian some real trouble.

Aside from that, interesting how Neva isn't exactly on Gomah's side. Katatz mentioned! Also, I just found it really funny the jab at Piccolo for the fact that he's a fighter when Namekians apparently aren't supposed to fight normally. Piccolo character interactions are just always very interesting.

Meanwhile, Vegeta here is struggling against Tamagami #2, albeit he's still only in his base form and likely hasn't had the time to acclimate enough like Goku has to become a Super Saiyan. I'm sure he'll show that Kraken what for next episode.

[nato25]

Great episode, looks like next episode will be non stop fighting.

Majin Duu is a fun design and I like that he is more of a mix of kid buu but with a bit more personality. His fight is making good use of his unique body type as well.

Vegeta just toying with his opponent, I feel once he goes Super Saiyan it will be an easy win.

Mike mentioned last week they don't know how to end an episode, my god was that obvious here lol

[The Iron Fjord]

This was an alright episode, not as good as the last two, but fine enough. Neva spilling the beans to Gomah's plans, and joining the party because no one (not even Piccolo except that one time, many years ago) speaks Namek, hope he doesn't get killed, and we don't see the dragon because THE BALLS ARE INERT. Glad to see that Kuu wasn't sacrificed to make Majin Duu, and act like siblings, but with the last Saiba seed and Buu piece probably means we aren't gonna get any more Majins. Maybe Kuu and Duu will fuse together and form Duukuu and take over the Senate, or whatever Sith Lords do.
Having the Duu/Tama 1 fight and Vegeta/Tama 2 fight in tandem was an interesting choice, but it really shows that the story pacing is cranking up. Next episode will tell if the Tamagami's get defeated, but if the heroes have 2 Dragon Balls, and Arinsu has 1 the small factions are gonna clash really soon, not to mention Gomah and Degesu and their army. Shit's gonna go down once they all convene in the First Demon World, and it really feels like Daima's conclusion is approaching fast.

EDIT: I forgot to mention it was pretty neat ending on a cliffhanger of Vegeta getting eaten by the Kraken. Poor Veggie, hope he gets to redo his fight with Tama 2, and judging by the previews, Goku is fighting the Kraken and not him, so maybe he can take another crack at it.

[tonysoprano300]

I love how DB has finally given us a reason as to why the fights need to be one on one.

New Majin characters are very fun, and Neva is actually a pretty interesting character who seems like he’s not totally good and not totally bad.

It still doesn’t seem like anyone thus far can pose a serious threat to Goku, so curious when the real antagonist will enter the fray

[AliTheZombie13]

Good:
- Neva singing Makafushigi Adventure.
- Neva only pretending to be senile... I wonder if he'll turn out to be a traitor down the road. Good drama.

Bad:
- "That stupid Kakarot and that bad habit of his of not going all-out from the beginning. Let me repeat his mistakes while pretending I'm so much better!"
- If the next episode is to be believed, Vegeta just got defeated by a random giant sea monster... Without even going Super Saiyan... Daima stands for Goku Time!

Misc:
- I guess these Majins Xuu's are just the Gotenks of Daima. How many more of them until we get the real one? Are they even going to amount to anything?

[Fizzer]

I'm so glad they followed through with "Majin Duu", it's gloriously silly.

But didn't Kami teach Namekian to Popo? So surely Piccolo does know it.

[Yuji]

I'm so glad they followed through with "Majin Duu", it's gloriously silly.

But didn't Kami teach Namekian to Popo? So surely Piccolo does know it.

Piccolo spoke Namekian to God in the 23rd Budokai. So he knows it. It's either an oversight or he forgot how to speak the language like he forgot he could turn giant in Superhero. But I assume it's an oversight because a native language is hard to forget.

Besides that, great episode. Love the Koo and Doo dynamic already. Hope Duu ultimately gets defeated by the Tamagami though, not keen on another Boo repeat.

[nineko]

Nice episode, though it's getting more and more stupid that Goku doesn't teleport, he could have totally saved Vegeta from the kraken with a quick teleportation and back, though I can see that Vegeta wouldn't have wanted that since he hates that kind of things, so I want to believe that Goku didn't do that not to offend Vegeta and not because he's just too stupid to think about a plan.

The pacing was nice, maybe the Neva part was a bit slow, but it was resolved quite quickly anyway, and the new Majin is interesting with his unorthodox combat style, I don't know if he's going to win just yet or if we're going to see some fusion / absorption shenanigans between Duu and Kuu, but either way, I'm hooked. I also hope that Neva can turn out to be a good guy after all, instead of being yet another double agent just like Glorio. Glorio who, by the way, looks more and more worried each time Goku and/or Vegeta show their strengths, I bet he's thinking "how the hell am I going to subdue not one but two of those freaks?".

The other thing that makes no sense is Piccolo not knowing the Namekian language anymore. Sure you lived on Earth for some time, but there should still be Nail inside you, I don't think a few years of earthling life could erase centuries of memories so easily.

Looking forward to the next episode. At this point it looks probable that the tamagamis aren't meant to be particularly important in the economy of the series after all, I don't think they're going to stay for one or two more episodes, tops, we're soon going to switch gears towards... something, be that Gomah or Arinsu and her collection of Majins.

[tonysoprano300]

Once they established Goku can still use IT, and that he can fly easily…it just makes the plane stuff feel pretty pointless. Like Goku is intentionally handicapping himself for the fun of it(Like 17&18 in the Cell arc).

They keep bringing up the transportation logistics as if they mean anything when half these characters can fly, I guess this is a pretty lighthearted adventure thus far so its whatever. It just seems like a silly plot point now

[SHINOBI-03]

Majin Duu looks like an improvement over Kuu in both strength and design and still sane enough to reason with.

Poor Vegeta. First big fight and already lost to a random monster.

Once they established Goku can still use IT, and that he can fly easily…it just makes the plane stuff feel pretty pointless. Like Goku is intentionally handicapping himself for the fun of it(Like 17&18 in the Cell arc).

They keep bringing up the transportation logistics as if they mean anything when half these characters can fly, I guess this is a pretty lighthearted adventure thus far so its whatever. It just seems like a silly plot point now

Don't forget flying long distance uses a lot of energy and in their current state they can't afford to waste it needlessly.

[jjgp1112]

Let's go grab them up! Dragon Balls!

[VegettoEX]

N'cha!

RE: Teleportation; the fight is supposed to be one-on-one like everyone's acknowledging and agreeing on, so Goku teleporting to save Vegeta would almost certainly be in violation of the rules. You could argue the kraken is also involved, but I'd argue (and I think the Tamagami and Neva would argue) that's more of an environmental factor than a sentient being purposefully getting involved in this specific fight.

RE: Namekian language; yeah, absolutely a weird thing. Even if you grant that it has indeed been a long time since he last used it, he seemed EXTREMELY fluent during the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budokai... and that was BEFORE he had Earth's God and Nail within him. If he can get knowledge about the existence of Neva from them somehow, I don't see why he wouldn't also (still) have the language within him. Definitely something that Toyotaro would have called out and smoothed over in another edit pass...

[MisteryOne]

I can't help but feel I was supposed to like this episode more than I did...but really that's probably because I still don't get why they are suddenly speeding things up so much. It's hard to get invested on Vegeta's fight when he has yet to transform, and when I'm more curious about the Duu fight which just got interrupted by it. I guess the kraken is there for that, but come on no one buys it's really a threat -and it stills feels like too many things got cramped on a single episode... I guess Duu has interesting abilities, should have been a given because of his nature, but Kuu didn’t so that's something. And they are fun together.
What's with anime making Vegeta bleeding like if it was a big deal? It's weird it has happened twice. And what's with claiming Piccolo doesn't know Namekian? He spoke it before even knowing he was an alien... Daima wants us to believe he somehow remembers things like Neva, the origin of Namekians in the Demon Realm and why and when they left, yet he has forgotten their native language?

Neva's singing was cute, but the cast seriously keeps growing more and more despite most of them not doing anything. I hope he actually does something beyond just making the wish

[AliTheZombie13]

Neva's singing was cute, but the cast seriously keeps growing more and more despite most of them not doing anything. I hope he actually does something beyond just making the wish

That was something I forgot to mention. The gang has banded together, but there's not much change to the dynamics. If the gang had remained just Goku, Shin, Glorio and Panzy, it really wouldn't have made a difference so far.

[LightBing]

It's a shame that suddenly the show sped up so much. I was hoping that group B would have some leisurely adventures like Goku did.

Kuu continues to be great. Duu seems like a more interesting Pure Boo. Wondering how this will turn out, I like his fight style.

So the Namekians only ran from the Demon Realm recently, since Neva knew Katatz. We need a timeline!

I don't see the problem in-universe about Piccolo forgetting Namekian. It's not his first language.
He knew it from memories not his own, Daimao's and Nail's. After more than a decade without using it, it's plausible.

[Makaioshin]

The fights in this are fine but nothing really noteworthy especially compared to the last Tamagami fight. Hopefully it will pick up in the next episode with Goku's bout. I also like Kuu and Duu together -- will they last long enough to meet the main cast?

Piccolo forgetting the Namekian language despite all of his strange insight and prior knowledge of the Demon Realm in this show is dumb. And also in-line with him just forgetting he could turn into a giant in SH.

The Kraken remains the most powerful and worthy adversary offered by the demon realm thus far. We will see where this incredible story goes with Vegeta in the next episode.

[StaticMania]

Majin Duu looks like an improvement over Kuu in both strength and design and still sane enough to reason with.

I like how just being slightly chubby is enough to make Duu a better design than his older brother...

It's not great, but that's immediately where my mind went.

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So not much really happens this episode, but that's ok.

Turns out, unsurprisingly, Neva would easily betray Gomah if he got the opportunity to. The conversation with him doesn't really reveal anything.

Piccolo apparently forgot how to speak Namekian, ok. It's been almost 20 years since he's done so, that's believable.

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Back to Majin Duu's design, he has Boo's head tentacle or...antennae or...forelock, but doesn't have head split or armor plated body design that the Sabaiman seed gave Kuu.

Naturally this lead to him having the flubber-like body of Majin Boo as well, so he can have some of Boo's fighting abilities along side his silly mannerisms. If this means he can regenerate...maybe so, maybe not.

He also seems to be a bit dense in the head...I guess the ability to control a created Majin like him is only based around his level of sapience.

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Goku's complaining about how unfair it is that Vegeta gets to have "his first turn" of fighting the Tamagami...this is probably the most childish thing Goku has done in this series. Yet it's the one thing Goku's character as an adult has devolved to, he'd totally do this in Super.

Something interesting I thought would happen when it turned out the Kracken is still in-play as a hazard...the Tamagami would follow Vegeta and they'd fight inside the belly of the beast. I'm glad the Kracken is still there in general, but that would've been cool.

I'm not sure what it is that Duu's doing that makes him a bit more effective...but I suppose with Boo's flexible and damage resilient body, his more unorthodox fighting style is at least doing something to shake Tamagami #1.

[ZombieVito]

Meh episode overall.

Hopefully Neva is the final villain. Would be nice to have a Namekian as one.

[Bardock God of Time]

Meh episode overall.

Hopefully Neva is the final villain. Would be nice to have a Namekian as one.

Maybe he's the last person they'll have to fight? (Before making their wish to prove their strength)