The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Gogetason]

Namek saga Frieza vs Kraken

[Berserker1921]

Namek saga Frieza vs Kraken

Well, if you take that scene literally. Either one of two things are happening.

1. Base Goku and Vegeta are weaker now after becoming kids and are incapable of beating the Kraken.

2. Base Goku and Vegeta are weaker than the Kraken because their aren’t just strong enough yet.

I like to number 2 the best, I think FF Frieza can kill the Kraken.

[Makaioshin]

Namek saga Frieza vs Kraken

Well, if you take that scene literally. Either one of two things are happening.

1. Base Goku and Vegeta are weaker now after becoming kids and are incapable of beating the Kraken.

2. Base Goku and Vegeta are weaker than the Kraken because their aren’t just strong enough yet.

I like to number 2 the best, I think FF Frieza can kill the Kraken.

Why only base? They aren't really restricted in that way and Goku just outright says they can't take out the Kraken now when we saw him use to SSJ2 against Tamagami 3. Together even. The Kraken is taking out Freeza -- he is the most powerful and worthy opponent from the Demon Realm yet.

[Berserker1921]

Namek saga Frieza vs Kraken

Well, if you take that scene literally. Either one of two things are happening.

1. Base Goku and Vegeta are weaker now after becoming kids and are incapable of beating the Kraken.

2. Base Goku and Vegeta are weaker than the Kraken because their aren’t just strong enough yet.

I like to number 2 the best, I think FF Frieza can kill the Kraken.

Why only base? They aren't really restricted in that way and Goku just outright says they can't take out the Kraken now when we saw him use to SSJ2 against Tamagami 3. Together even. The Kraken is taking out Freeza -- he is the most powerful and worthy opponent from the Demon Realm yet.

The fact that they didn’t even try to turn super saiyan was probably because they were too proud or didn’t want to waste any power against them.

[Gogetason]

Namek saga Frieza vs Kraken

Well, if you take that scene literally. Either one of two things are happening.

1. Base Goku and Vegeta are weaker now after becoming kids and are incapable of beating the Kraken.

2. Base Goku and Vegeta are weaker than the Kraken because their aren’t just strong enough yet.

I like to number 2 the best, I think FF Frieza can kill the Kraken.

Why only base? They aren't really restricted in that way and Goku just outright says they can't take out the Kraken now when we saw him use to SSJ2 against Tamagami 3. Together even. The Kraken is taking out Freeza -- he is the most powerful and worthy opponent from the Demon Realm yet.

So your telling me a being that can easily destroy a planet and can tank a planet explosion even when near death +plus can breathe in space is loosing to that kraken?

Makes sense

[Makaioshin]

The fact that they didn’t even try to turn super saiyan was probably because they were too proud or didn’t want to waste any power against them.

There is no reason to think they were too proud when the Kraken just destroys the first ship and there is a very dramatic scene where Goku saves Panzy's life. Kaioshin even mentions how fearsome the Kraken were beforehand so they must have had a reputation in the past amongst the Glind. Freeza meanwhile is someone he mentions he could easily have beaten.

So your telling me a being that can easily destroy a planet and can tank a planet explosion even when near death +plus can breathe in space is loosing to that kraken?

Makes sense

Yes, you can not like the fact but that is just the text of the show. It is not any different than how like Daimao is nothing compared to any random Freeza Soldier. Or how powerful the worms were in GT.

[Almighty Majin]

So your telling me a being that can easily destroy a planet and can tank a planet explosion even when near death +plus can breathe in space is loosing to that kraken?

Makes sense

Yes, you can not like the fact but that is just the text of the show. It is not any different than how like Daimao is nothing compared to any random Freeza Soldier. Or how powerful the worms were in GT.

I mean this was also the case in the Broly movie with the giant beetles on Planet Vampa. Those beetles were definitely stronger than Paragus who was Nappa level. It is silly to think about, but that's just how it is. Those beetles could easily kill Nappa and Raditz. Anyways, yeah I agree that the Krakens are easily above Freeza. They would just eat him, simple as.

[Gogetason]

Yes, you can not like the fact but that is just the text of the show. It is not any different than how like Daimao is nothing compared to any random Freeza Soldier. Or how powerful the worms were in GT.

Its not that I dont like it, its that it just makes little sense within the anime, reeks of toei animation fiddling/influence. Are we to assume its born with a high power level like frieza, or was Goku basing his doubts of winning on its size alone implying Toei did it because they just wanted an awe inspiring scene(ah look a giant monster!) that added a little bit of tension,like one piece ; Some unexpected trouble for the main characters, disregarding powerscaling.

Regardless, how would the kraken survive if Frieza simply blew up the planet because he cant beat it? unless ofcourse it too can both survive a planet explosion and survive without water/ breathe in space.


"Daimao is nothing compared to any random frieza soldier"

And how did you deduce this? If master roshi can easily beat them then Piccolo Daimao can too.

"Or how powerful the worms were in GT."

Toei animation..

[Makaioshin]

I mean this was also the case in the Broly movie with the giant beetles on Planet Vampa. Those beetles were definitely stronger than Paragus who was Nappa level. It is silly to think about, but that's just how it is. Those beetles could easily kill Nappa and Raditz. Anyways, yeah I agree that the Krakens are easily above Freeza. They would just eat him, simple as.

Those giant bugs are another great example. Truly there are some incredible beasts and monsters out there.

Its not that I dont like it, its that it just makes little sense within the anime, reeks of toei animation fiddling/influence. Are we to assume its born with a high power level like frieza, or was Goku basing his doubts of winning on its size alone implying Toei did it because they just wanted an awe inspiring scene(ah look a giant monster!) that added a little bit of tension,like one piece ; Some unexpected trouble for the main characters, disregarding powerscaling.

Regardless, how would the kraken survive if Frieza simply blew up the planet because he cant beat it? unless ofcourse it too can both survive a planet explosion and survive without water/ breathe in space.


"Daimao is nothing compared to any random frieza soldier"

And how did you deduce this? If master roshi can easily beat them then Piccolo Daimao can too.

"Or how powerful the worms were in GT."

Toei animation..

Well, I didn't misspell Freeza like that so no reason to change my quote. The Kraken is just a powerful beast, there is not much more to it than that. As for whether Yuko Kakihara or Toriyama himself came up with this doesn't make a difference. I am only going off the actual story.

Daimao is just an example -- just because a character is more well-rounded doesn't mean they always win. The Kraken would just tank Freeza's attacks and I guess swat him. Freeza destroying the planet isn't relevant.

[Hellspawn28]

How far do the Quiet Place aliens go in the DB universe? They start from the Pilaf saga and make it up from there. They survived their home planet's 'explosion', as well as the impact of their meteors, which was comparable to an atomic bomb.

[TobyS]

How far do the Quiet Place aliens go in the DB universe? They start from the Pilaf saga and make it up from there. They survived their home planet's 'explosion', as well as the impact of their meteors, which was comparable to an atomic bomb.

Haven't seen the movies just clips. When they open their head a shotgun blast can take them out. It doesn't make sense that the heat and concussive force of a planet explosion couldn't make it through to the interior of their heads

If their planet blew up the center of their planet and they were thrown out from the crust it's a lower feat than tanking a planet destroying attack directly. I think Roshis kamehameha could kill them. Weaker characters could probably knock them around but not kill them?

Dbs tech seems higher than ours though so perhaps their weaponry fares better.

[Peach]

First form Resurrection F Frieza vs. Buuhan

Zamasu (not immortal) vs. Resurrection F Frieza (first form, final form, and golden forms)

Future Gohan vs. Dr. Gero and Android 20

[TobyS]

Kuririn seems to think Gohan and/or Boo are enough for freeza before he knows he's in his forst form. So yeah Buuha. Is like 1.7 gohans and regens too. He clears freezas first and maybe second form.

[Peach]

Kuririn seems to think Gohan and/or Boo are enough for freeza before he knows he's in his forst form. So yeah Buuha. Is like 1.7 gohans and regens too. He clears freezas first and maybe second form.

What about for the other fights I put up?

[Koitsukai]

First form Resurrection F Frieza vs. Buuhan

Zamasu (not immortal) vs. Resurrection F Frieza (first form, final form, and golden forms)

Future Gohan vs. Dr. Gero and Android 20

1) That Freeza was shown only to be a danger to a weakass SS Gohan. Buuhan should clean the floor with 1st form Freeza.

2) Zamasu was SS2 level in the anime, and implied to be the same in the manga (with Goku saying even Trunks could beat him). RoF Final Form Freeza was closing in on SSG, Goku's base was implied to be some sort of stand-in for SSG, weaker than the actual form probably, but way above the blond forms, and Zamasu's power lies somewhere in the middle of those forms.
Zamasu is dead without his hax.

3) I think Gohan has this. He gave the real androids some trouble, the fat clown and the old guy cannot hold him like the twins.


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Super Hero SS2 Gohan vs Buutenks.

[ZombieVito]

First form Resurrection F Frieza vs. Buuhan

Zamasu (not immortal) vs. Resurrection F Frieza (first form, final form, and golden forms)

Future Gohan vs. Dr. Gero and Android 20

Every Boo beats him. Krillin confirms Fat Boo can beat him.

Only Golden Freeza beats him. Zamasu is current SS2 tier.

Future Gohan's only chance is if he beats him immediately without getting his energy absorbed.

[Mystic-han]

Namek saga Frieza vs Kraken

Kraken stomp , Goku doesn't believe the whole gang could do anything to it

[Mystic-han]

How far do the Quiet Place aliens go in the DB universe? They start from the Pilaf saga and make it up from there. They survived their home planet's 'explosion', as well as the impact of their meteors, which was comparable to an atomic bomb.

They are very slow compared to even db low tiers , weak to sounds and can be easily killed with shotguns when their skin armour flap , struggle to pull through trucks doors , have trouble in catching humans when they are not running at full speed

Chapter 1 Kid Goku would literally eat them

[TobyS]

First form Resurrection F Frieza vs. Buuhan

Zamasu (not immortal) vs. Resurrection F Frieza (first form, final form, and golden forms)

Future Gohan vs. Dr. Gero and Android 20

It's hard to tell zamasu is low ss2 tier.
We know boo or ult gohan is enough for first form freeza and boo is weaker than the boo that fought a ss3
So I guess Zamasu takes the first form but the others paste him.

Future gohan, cool as he is is the weakest ss ever.
I think he can beat one android
Two might be too much.
Vegeta got too much energy absorbed and wouldn't have beaten Gero without Sensu
So if gohan fights one after the other or manages to kill one it depends how much ki he has used and had stolen.

[GatoF]

1. Daima SSJ3 Vegeta vs Majin Buu (the same Buu who killed Majin Vegeta)
2. Daima SSJ3 Vegeta vs Kid Buu