Dragon Ball Daima Strength Discussion Thread

[Saiyan007]

would love to see how people still think Base Saiyans are weaker than Freeza after this episode

Could you elaborate how this episode leans in that direction?

All I saw was Vegeta getting his ass handed to him, ultimately ending with a cliffhanger where he might be defeated.

Goku also started in Base against Tamagami 3 and had to go SSJ2.
It's clear that a steady progression, is the theme of fights in Daima. Or else both Tamagamis would have immediately ended the fight, since they are obviously holding back.

the shocked expressions of everyone by a suppressed Vegeta's power vs tamagashi including glorio

[Issei189]

Looks like we will find out in the next episode about how strong this Kraken is. Vegeta is gonna have to use force to escape and Goku based on the preview of ep 12 will try to take on the Kraken

[LightBing]

the shocked expressions of everyone by a suppressed Vegeta's power vs tamagashi including glorio

They're just impressed he's strong. How much we can't determine.
Unless you think Base Vegeta = SSJ2 Goku because they saw the latter and shouldn't be impressed by anything less, if it's about power.

[Hugo Boss]

the shocked expressions of everyone by a suppressed Vegeta's power vs tamagashi including glorio

They're just impressed he's strong. How much we can't determine.
Unless you think Base Vegeta = SSJ2 Goku because they saw the latter and shouldn't be impressed by anything less, if it's about power.

Not to mention the Tamagami was only playing around with Vegeta, gradually increasing the intensity of his attacks. And he still hasn’t used burst mode.

[Magnificent Ponta]

With the appearance of Majin Duu, I guess it's the Last Hurrah for the currently-undefeated Buu Dongle Theory™ (for the uninitiated, this is the fan theory that the length of Buu's head dongle thingy vaguely correlates to the strength of his forms):



We'll see if that's a good call later, I guess

[Yuji]

With the appearance of Majin Duu, I guess it's the Last Hurrah for the currently-undefeated Buu Dongle Theory™ (for the uninitiated, this is the fan theory that the length of Buu's head dongle thingy vaguely correlates to the strength of his forms):



We'll see if that's a good call later, I guess

Kuu doesn't even have the tentacle, he's that weak, it doesn't register.

Though Good Boo, Evil Boo and Pure Boo's all seem the same length? Super Boo maybe too?

And as of Super, Mr. Boo is the strongest, at least in the manga. It would be funny if he just gained a long Boohan dongle though while remaining fat I think the Slim version in the anime did get a bigger tentacle.

Can you do a graph for all the forms?

[Issei189]

Tamagami 2 and SS2 Vegeta were evenly matched. So Tamagami 2 is above Cell saga SS2 Gohan's level and after getting a boost by Neva he's stronger than SS2 Vegeta. Then Surprisingly Vegeta goes SS3 and very easily overpowers him. Now I wonder how strong SS3 Vegeta is. I bet he's probably still weaker than SS3 Goku.

[ZombieVito]

Looks like the Kraken was really stronger than them as SS2 since he was unbothered by SS2 Vegeta.

They getting weaker as kids is pretty much confirmed now.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Tamagami 2 and SS2 Vegeta were evenly matched. So Tamagami 2 is above Cell saga SS2 Gohan's level and after getting a boost by Neva he's stronger than SS2 Vegeta. Then Surprisingly Vegeta goes SS3 and very easily overpowers him. Now I wonder how strong SS3 Vegeta is. I bet he's probably still weaker than SS3 Goku.

Panzy says that Vegeta was winning against Tamagami 2 (followed by Neva saying he's impressed someone like him exists), so SS2 Vegeta was stronger than Tamagami before the power up. Though not by a considerable margin since the fight was close, probably enough to put pre-power up Tamagami 2 above Buu arc SS2s assuming current Goku and Vegeta are far superior to their Buu counterparts.

And despite being completely outclassed by SS3 Vegeta, Tamagami was able to deflect his Galick Ho (similar to Tamagami 3 deflecting SS2 Goku's Kamehameha despite being weaker), so I guess he's closer to that level than he is to SS2

[Hugo Boss]

Looks like the Kraken was really stronger than them as SS2 since he was unbothered by SS2 Vegeta.

They getting weaker as kids is pretty much confirmed now.

Vegeta actually transformed to SS2 while inside the Kraken’s mouth and managed to break free, forcing the monster to retreat. This suggests Vegeta’s SS2 was enough to overwhelm the Kraken once he powered up, rather than the Kraken being stronger. It seems more like a case of the Kraken being stronger than SS than the characters being weaker as kids, as they need to warm up before entering higher stages of Super Saiyan.

[ZombieVito]

Looks like the Kraken was really stronger than them as SS2 since he was unbothered by SS2 Vegeta.

They getting weaker as kids is pretty much confirmed now.

Vegeta actually transformed to SS2 while inside the Kraken’s mouth and managed to break free, forcing the monster to retreat. This suggests Vegeta’s SS2 was enough to overwhelm the Kraken once he powered up, rather than the Kraken being stronger. It seems more like a case of the Kraken being stronger than SS than the characters being weaker as kids, as they need to warm up before entering higher stages of Super Saiyan.

Huh?

Vegeta didn't force the Kraken to retreat. It got bored and left.

[Hugo Boss]

Looks like the Kraken was really stronger than them as SS2 since he was unbothered by SS2 Vegeta.

They getting weaker as kids is pretty much confirmed now.

Vegeta actually transformed to SS2 while inside the Kraken’s mouth and managed to break free, forcing the monster to retreat. This suggests Vegeta’s SS2 was enough to overwhelm the Kraken once he powered up, rather than the Kraken being stronger. It seems more like a case of the Kraken being stronger than SS than the characters being weaker as kids, as they need to warm up before entering higher stages of Super Saiyan.

Huh?

Vegeta didn't force the Kraken to retreat. It got bored and left.

I don’t think the Kraken leaving was due to boredom. Vegeta powering up to SS2 and blasting from inside its mouth clearly caused it pain, as we saw its reaction. Retreating seems more like a defensive move to avoid further damage rather than disinterest. The timing and the Kraken’s behavior seem to suggest it was distasteful.

[LightBing]

Seems like it's:
SSJ3 Vegeta << Boosted Tamagami 2 < SSJ2 Vegeta < Tamagami 2

Hard to compare with Boo Arc levels. I'm assuming Tamagami 2 is by default slightly stronger than Tamagami 3, although not by a lot.

Majin Duu is for sure SSJ3 tier, seems like the fights were meant to mirror. Tamagami 1 is probably the strongest of the three.

Kraken is SSJ2 tier. Nothing here contradicts what Goku said last episode. Vegeta needed SSJ2 to escape his mouth.
Yeah Kraken would probably clear Dragon Ball until the Cell arc.

[ZombieVito]

I don’t think the Kraken leaving was due to boredom. Vegeta powering up to SS2 and blasting from inside its mouth clearly caused it pain, as we saw its reaction. Retreating seems more like a defensive move to avoid further damage rather than disinterest. The timing and the Kraken’s behavior seem to suggest it was distasteful.

The Kraken yawned lol.

[Hugo Boss]

The Kraken yawning might seem like a sign of boredom at first glance, but its reaction right after Vegeta’s SS2 transformation suggests otherwise. The sequence shows Vegeta powering up inside the Kraken’s mouth and blasting his way out, visibly causing the creature pain. Following this, the Kraken retreats rather than continuing to engage. In context, the yawn could be interpreted as a reflex or animation quirk rather than genuine boredom, especially given the Kraken’s immediate withdrawal…

[ZombieVito]

The Kraken yawning might seem like a sign of boredom at first glance, but its reaction right after Vegeta’s SS2 transformation suggests otherwise. The sequence shows Vegeta powering up inside the Kraken’s mouth and blasting his way out, visibly causing the creature pain. Following this, the Kraken retreats rather than continuing to engage. In context, the yawn could be interpreted as a reflex or animation quirk rather than genuine boredom, especially given the Kraken’s immediate withdrawal…

Nah, agree to disagree on this.

[Hugo Boss]

That’s fair, but I think the sequence demonstrates how Vegeta adapted and overcame the challenge, leaving only the main boss as his opponent. The earlier struggle as a Super Saiyan aligns with what Goku foreshadowed about not having enough power for that in the previous episode. But yeah, let’s agree to see it differently.

[Issei189]

Tamagami 2 and SS2 Vegeta were evenly matched. So Tamagami 2 is above Cell saga SS2 Gohan's level and after getting a boost by Neva he's stronger than SS2 Vegeta. Then Surprisingly Vegeta goes SS3 and very easily overpowers him. Now I wonder how strong SS3 Vegeta is. I bet he's probably still weaker than SS3 Goku.

Panzy says that Vegeta was winning against Tamagami 2 (followed by Neva saying he's impressed someone like him exists), so SS2 Vegeta was stronger than Tamagami before the power up. Though not by a considerable margin since the fight was close, probably enough to put pre-power up Tamagami 2 above Buu arc SS2s assuming current Goku and Vegeta are far superior to their Buu counterparts.

And despite being completely outclassed by SS3 Vegeta, Tamagami was able to deflect his Galick Ho (similar to Tamagami 3 deflecting SS2 Goku's Kamehameha despite being weaker), so I guess he's closer to that level than he is to SS2

Good point. I didn't pay attention to Panzy lines and Neva's reaction to Vegeta. I personally think the Tamagamis being able to deflect Goku and Vegeta's big ki blasts had more to do with their durability than power. This is how i interpreted it because they seem similar to the Metalman race (e.g Magetta).

[GatoF]

Is Majin Kuu base or SSJ1 tier?

[Hugo Boss]

Is Majin Kuu base or SSJ1 tier?

Based on his feats, I guess he could be stronger than Base but weaker than SS1. We may know after the two teams fight.