Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God

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Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God

Post by Bloodthroe » Thu Dec 26, 2024 4:51 am

When we see Beerus's vision, the figure is so obscure that it could be Goku or Vegeta. However, could it possibly have been Broly? Remember in the original timeline, both Goku and Vegeta were killed, by a virus and androids respectively. So why would Beerus have a premonition of a rival who is destined to die?

Is it possible Beerus's true rival is Broly, who kind of has the affection of Cheelai, the woman Beerus is infatuated with.

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Thu Dec 26, 2024 5:06 am

Because this is the Beerus of the timeline where Goku survived, so the OT is simply irrelevant.

Broly is not important in the grand scheme of things. (and the same goes for Vegeta, never forget who's the MC and who's the sidekick)
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Re: Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God

Post by Yuji » Thu Dec 26, 2024 5:53 am

It probably is Broly because the timelines split after the wish was made, so in Trunks' timeline, where Goku and Vegeta are dead, Broly is the only candidate. Unless you consider Trunks the main candidate. Or that the God changes depending on the timeline.

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Re: Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God

Post by Bloodthroe » Thu Dec 26, 2024 11:12 am

SupremeKai25 wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2024 5:06 am Because this is the Beerus of the timeline where Goku survived, so the OT is simply irrelevant.

Broly is not important in the grand scheme of things. (and the same goes for Vegeta, never forget who's the MC and who's the sidekick)
however, the timeline split would have occurred some years after the magic fish gave Beerus a premonition, so, both timelines would have Beerus dreaming about a SSG.

It's just an idea I had. Especially, since Goku and Vegeta have really abandoned the SSG and SSGSS forms by now.
Yuji wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2024 5:53 amUnless you consider Trunks the main candidate. Or that the God changes depending on the timeline.
I actually like this idea. There is like a version of SSG Trunks in SDBH or something.

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Re: Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God

Post by Peach » Thu Dec 26, 2024 2:06 pm

It being anyone other than Goku seems like it goes against the spirit of the movie and the original authorial intent. They could retcon it, but I don't think they would. That movie was a standalone story and sequels weren't guaranteed.

Also, Broly isn't a Super Saiyan God. He has his own mutation of Super Saiyan. Trunks and Gohan aren't Super Saiyan God either.

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Re: Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:54 pm

Bloodthroe wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2024 4:51 am When we see Beerus's vision, the figure is so obscure that it could be Goku or Vegeta. However, could it possibly have been Broly? Remember in the original timeline, both Goku and Vegeta were killed, by a virus and androids respectively. So why would Beerus have a premonition of a rival who is destined to die?

Is it possible Beerus's true rival is Broly, who kind of has the affection of Cheelai, the woman Beerus is infatuated with.
Yamoshi, Shallot, Son Goku, or another known user of the Super Saiyan God form has to be the one shown in Hakaishin Beerus' Prophetic Dream.

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Re: Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God

Post by GokuHater » Mon Dec 30, 2024 1:23 pm

I don't think they already had plans for Broly to return as a "cannon" character back then ;)

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Re: Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God

Post by Hugo Boss » Mon Dec 30, 2024 1:38 pm

Beerus’s dream was designed to foreshadow Goku becoming a Super Saiyan God, the narrative focus of Battle of Gods. The idea of Broly or Vegeta being Beerus’s rival doesn’t fit here, especially since future expansions didn’t seem planned.

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Re: Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God

Post by Bloodthroe » Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:09 am

I feel like a lot of things didn't seem planned, but were changed in the process of developing DBS. Just the idea of Goku being a rival to Beerus appears to have been abandoned completely.

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Re: Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God

Post by Hugo Boss » Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:27 pm

Toriyama has openly admitted to creating Dragon Ball without a concrete roadmap, often improvising story elements. But Beerus’s rivalry with Goku is still referenced in Super. The Oracle Fish’s prophecy later included Vegeta, broadening the scope, but Beerus explicitly reaffirmed Goku as his successor in chapter #101, mentioning he’d consider him for the God of Destruction role if he surpassed him. While other characters may rival Goku, Beerus’s interest in him remains central to the narrative.

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Re: Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God

Post by Bloodthroe » Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:45 am

It certainly seems Vegeta is more in the process of becoming a destroyer god than Goku is, at least in regards to the manga and Ultra Ego. Goku, I don't see as having any interest in the job, even if it was necessary for the betterment of the universe. Goku is single minded in his own pursuit for gaining strength.

At the point Goku surpasses Beerus, he will lose all interest in rivaling him. At the present moment, all of Goku's rivaling is done against Vegeta.

Another thing that seems to be abandoned is the idea of Goku stacking UI onto other forms. I would like to see Goku stacking UI onto SSG. Maybe that would be his ultimate form.

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Re: Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God

Post by Xeogran » Fri Jan 03, 2025 5:59 am

Bloodthroe wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:45 am It certainly seems Vegeta is more in the process of becoming a destroyer god than Goku is, at least in regards to the manga and Ultra Ego.
Ehh, Vegeta already threw his GoD earring away. I don't think he'll ever go that route now.

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Re: Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God

Post by Hugo Boss » Fri Jan 03, 2025 7:05 am

Bloodthroe wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:45 am It certainly seems Vegeta is more in the process of becoming a destroyer god than Goku is, at least in regards to the manga and Ultra Ego. Goku, I don't see as having any interest in the job, even if it was necessary for the betterment of the universe. Goku is single minded in his own pursuit for gaining strength.

At the point Goku surpasses Beerus, he will lose all interest in rivaling him. At the present moment, all of Goku's rivaling is done against Vegeta.

Another thing that seems to be abandoned is the idea of Goku stacking UI onto other forms. I would like to see Goku stacking UI onto SSG. Maybe that would be his ultimate form.
Vegeta’s Ultra Ego initially seemed to align him with the path of a God of Destruction, but recent chapters don’t support that trajectory. Vegeta discarded his God of Destruction earring and faced Beast Gohan using SS Blue Evolved, indicating his evolution may lie elsewhere.

As for Goku, his potential for the God of Destruction role reflects Beerus’s belief in his power and mindset, not necessarily Goku’s own interest.

Regarding UI stacking, the Granolah arc clarified Goku can combine Ultra Instinct with other forms (including SSG and Blue), though the silver-haired UI remains his peak for accuracy and power.

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