Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God
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Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God
When we see Beerus's vision, the figure is so obscure that it could be Goku or Vegeta. However, could it possibly have been Broly? Remember in the original timeline, both Goku and Vegeta were killed, by a virus and androids respectively. So why would Beerus have a premonition of a rival who is destined to die?
Is it possible Beerus's true rival is Broly, who kind of has the affection of Cheelai, the woman Beerus is infatuated with.
Is it possible Beerus's true rival is Broly, who kind of has the affection of Cheelai, the woman Beerus is infatuated with.
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Re: Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God
Because this is the Beerus of the timeline where Goku survived, so the OT is simply irrelevant.
Broly is not important in the grand scheme of things. (and the same goes for Vegeta, never forget who's the MC and who's the sidekick)
Broly is not important in the grand scheme of things. (and the same goes for Vegeta, never forget who's the MC and who's the sidekick)
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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It probably is Broly because the timelines split after the wish was made, so in Trunks' timeline, where Goku and Vegeta are dead, Broly is the only candidate. Unless you consider Trunks the main candidate. Or that the God changes depending on the timeline.
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Re: Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God
however, the timeline split would have occurred some years after the magic fish gave Beerus a premonition, so, both timelines would have Beerus dreaming about a SSG.SupremeKai25 wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2024 5:06 am Because this is the Beerus of the timeline where Goku survived, so the OT is simply irrelevant.
Broly is not important in the grand scheme of things. (and the same goes for Vegeta, never forget who's the MC and who's the sidekick)
It's just an idea I had. Especially, since Goku and Vegeta have really abandoned the SSG and SSGSS forms by now.
I actually like this idea. There is like a version of SSG Trunks in SDBH or something.Yuji wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2024 5:53 amUnless you consider Trunks the main candidate. Or that the God changes depending on the timeline.
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It being anyone other than Goku seems like it goes against the spirit of the movie and the original authorial intent. They could retcon it, but I don't think they would. That movie was a standalone story and sequels weren't guaranteed.
Also, Broly isn't a Super Saiyan God. He has his own mutation of Super Saiyan. Trunks and Gohan aren't Super Saiyan God either.
Also, Broly isn't a Super Saiyan God. He has his own mutation of Super Saiyan. Trunks and Gohan aren't Super Saiyan God either.
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Yamoshi, Shallot, Son Goku, or another known user of the Super Saiyan God form has to be the one shown in Hakaishin Beerus' Prophetic Dream.Bloodthroe wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2024 4:51 am When we see Beerus's vision, the figure is so obscure that it could be Goku or Vegeta. However, could it possibly have been Broly? Remember in the original timeline, both Goku and Vegeta were killed, by a virus and androids respectively. So why would Beerus have a premonition of a rival who is destined to die?
Is it possible Beerus's true rival is Broly, who kind of has the affection of Cheelai, the woman Beerus is infatuated with.
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I don't think they already had plans for Broly to return as a "cannon" character back then 

Re: Beerus and his dream of a rival Super Saiyan God
Beerus’s dream was designed to foreshadow Goku becoming a Super Saiyan God, the narrative focus of Battle of Gods. The idea of Broly or Vegeta being Beerus’s rival doesn’t fit here, especially since future expansions didn’t seem planned.
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I feel like a lot of things didn't seem planned, but were changed in the process of developing DBS. Just the idea of Goku being a rival to Beerus appears to have been abandoned completely.
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Toriyama has openly admitted to creating Dragon Ball without a concrete roadmap, often improvising story elements. But Beerus’s rivalry with Goku is still referenced in Super. The Oracle Fish’s prophecy later included Vegeta, broadening the scope, but Beerus explicitly reaffirmed Goku as his successor in chapter #101, mentioning he’d consider him for the God of Destruction role if he surpassed him. While other characters may rival Goku, Beerus’s interest in him remains central to the narrative.
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It certainly seems Vegeta is more in the process of becoming a destroyer god than Goku is, at least in regards to the manga and Ultra Ego. Goku, I don't see as having any interest in the job, even if it was necessary for the betterment of the universe. Goku is single minded in his own pursuit for gaining strength.
At the point Goku surpasses Beerus, he will lose all interest in rivaling him. At the present moment, all of Goku's rivaling is done against Vegeta.
Another thing that seems to be abandoned is the idea of Goku stacking UI onto other forms. I would like to see Goku stacking UI onto SSG. Maybe that would be his ultimate form.
At the point Goku surpasses Beerus, he will lose all interest in rivaling him. At the present moment, all of Goku's rivaling is done against Vegeta.
Another thing that seems to be abandoned is the idea of Goku stacking UI onto other forms. I would like to see Goku stacking UI onto SSG. Maybe that would be his ultimate form.
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Ehh, Vegeta already threw his GoD earring away. I don't think he'll ever go that route now.Bloodthroe wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:45 am It certainly seems Vegeta is more in the process of becoming a destroyer god than Goku is, at least in regards to the manga and Ultra Ego.
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Vegeta’s Ultra Ego initially seemed to align him with the path of a God of Destruction, but recent chapters don’t support that trajectory. Vegeta discarded his God of Destruction earring and faced Beast Gohan using SS Blue Evolved, indicating his evolution may lie elsewhere.Bloodthroe wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:45 am It certainly seems Vegeta is more in the process of becoming a destroyer god than Goku is, at least in regards to the manga and Ultra Ego. Goku, I don't see as having any interest in the job, even if it was necessary for the betterment of the universe. Goku is single minded in his own pursuit for gaining strength.
At the point Goku surpasses Beerus, he will lose all interest in rivaling him. At the present moment, all of Goku's rivaling is done against Vegeta.
Another thing that seems to be abandoned is the idea of Goku stacking UI onto other forms. I would like to see Goku stacking UI onto SSG. Maybe that would be his ultimate form.
As for Goku, his potential for the God of Destruction role reflects Beerus’s belief in his power and mindset, not necessarily Goku’s own interest.
Regarding UI stacking, the Granolah arc clarified Goku can combine Ultra Instinct with other forms (including SSG and Blue), though the silver-haired UI remains his peak for accuracy and power.