Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 13 - Official Discussion Thread

[StaticMania]

Well that was..."fun".

Certainly not much though. Of all the recent episodes, this is the one to not have a B-plot of any kind...that's disappointing.

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I feel like they should've gone to the...civilization of the giants rather just being in a forest-y area, interact with characters of some kind.

That would've made the ending feel a bit more appropriate.

Weirdly, they did find a civilization, there were normal sized buildings around...but they just...didn't go there.

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Only thing of interest is Blooma randomly having a sizeable Mallet when the giant was approaching.
Oh, and her having brought a capsule full of tools...because Panzy lost her stuff when the Kracken destroyed their last ship.
Doing that has instantly made her more useful than Piccolo on this trip, also...there's still a chance.

[Mr Baggins]

This episode has the distinction of being the very first Daima episode that comes across as genuine filler. All the others up until now (including the ones a couple of people erroneously called "filler") have progressed either the plot or the characterization and party dynamics in some way, but this is the only one that likely isn't going to feel like required viewing in retrospect.

Yet, despite that, the show is still as charming as ever and I liked that constant sense of escalation as the group had to deal with being tiny. This giants episode is literal lightyears ahead of GT's sleep-inducing giants episode. Just a funny observation.

Also, that convo between Bulma and Panzy had some neat real world parallels to artificial scarcity. Reminded me of Sand Land for a moment.

Twas a fun breather after the climactic Vegeta fight. I can't complain.

[YamiGoku]

Felt like filler. Daima has some boring episodes that I don't imagine anyone rewatching.

I would gladly rewatch this episode rather that most ones of the Super anime, specially from the BoG and RoF arcs or certain parts of the ToP. It's not even a contest in terms of pacing and boredom.

I would gladly rewatch BOG and RF arcs of Super again over rewatching Daima, I had a lot of a better time then than now, the community was waaaay more alive back on early Super than now, and at least Super was meme-able bad when it was bad, Daima is just hella Boring, its like they had story for 6 episodes and they say"lets streach this to 20"

Daima may end up as the worst DB series in the eyes of the fandom, at least GT and Super had numerous hype forms, Villains and fusions, Daima has nothing much on that just Ssj3 Vegeta and maybe a fusion, but is like if GT ended on the Baby saga in terms of hype per episode.

And in therms of having an adventure like OG DB, it sucks just as much, the History sucks, the characters and character interactions suck(minus a few gems) we have the first 5 boring episodes of Goku, Boring Glorio and Boring Shin, Panzy is cool and all but nothing mind blowing, we have 2 good episodes, and 2 really, really bad ones. we cant last 5 seconds without some ship related issue to the point that I think if you combine Star Wars and Star trek, you wont get as much ship problems as Daima.

they were cooking this for years? all those years in production and this is the best they can do? Daima is certainly the best looking DB series, but it has done nothing than a good seasonal anime has done 10 times better in therms of animation, story, characters, fight scenes, etc, and they didnt took years to make it.

I'm sorry if my rant sounded rude, I don't want to disrespect the people that are enjoying Daima, but this is the worst time I had with a DB anything ever and I feel really frustrated.

[JulieYBM]

I thought that this episode was a lot more entertaining than Episode #12, so it's interesting seeing the backlash to it. I do think that there should have been more Gomah, Degesu and Dr. Arinsu stuff going on, though. Just showing Warp-sama being disabled doesn't really fit narratively. They should have saved that for another episode where those three had the episode's full attention and used the runtime to flesh out Panzy and Blooma.

[Gogetason]

Couldnt Goku, vegeta and piccolo just go out and lift the ship before it crashed into the forest? Did Toei Akira suddenly forget how strong and fast these characters have become?

[nato25]

Them not transforming until the last part of the episode pissed me off more that I thought it would.

Me too lol but not as much as Goku's I'm not gonna make it, which instead of transforming to increase speed or using instantaneous movement, proceeds to charge up a Kamehameha... Seriously who is writing this... It's so poor

[fadeddreams5]

This was such a dumb, pointless episode. Absolutely nothing happened to advance the story, and I have no idea why Goku and Co are struggling so much against giants. It seems to be common in this series (see: Kraken). I was frustrated the entire time with these battles. Why were they so rattled? Why didn't Goku use IT once, despite being stuck in areas? Why couldn't they just carry the ship and fly away? And why were they physically overpowered? These characters are supposed to be able to tank planets, but some untrained child can rattle them because he's big?? Ugh.

I thought that this episode was a lot more entertaining than Episode #12, so it's interesting seeing the backlash to it. I do think that there should have been more Gomah, Degesu and Dr. Arinsu stuff going on, though. Just showing Warp-sama being disabled doesn't really fit narratively. They should have saved that for another episode where those three had the episode's full attention and used the runtime to flesh out Panzy and Blooma.

That's very surprising to hear. Episode 12 is the highest rated in the series, had two great fights, and SSJ3 Vegeta. It was by far the best one after #8, imo.

[Mr Baggins]

I would gladly rewatch BOG and RF arcs of Super again over rewatching Daima

You'll have to forgive me for not bothering to read most of this post, but man, I couldn't possibly agree less with this sentiment. To each their own, but Super's episodes were so bad I couldn't even commit to watching it every week.

With that said, the manga and movies are a different conversation.

I do think that there should have been more Gomah, Degesu and Dr. Arinsu stuff going on, though.

I dunno about that. Given what the episode was going for, I actually appreciate that they left most of that stuff out. They probably should have gone even further and left the Warp-sama scene out too though, like you said.

Months from now when people are rewatching this via streaming or home media, this serves as a neat little disposable halfway story that they can either watch or skip at their leisure. Sometimes it's just nice to have fun, harmless filler that doesn't get in the way of the experience, and it all fits since the gang is already undergoing their own LOTR style adventure.

[JulieYBM]

This was such a dumb, pointless episode. Absolutely nothing happened to advance the story, and I have no idea why Goku and Co are struggling so much against giants. It seems to be common in this series (see: Kraken). I was frustrated the entire time with these battles. Why were they so rattled? Why didn't Goku use IT once, despite being stuck in areas? Why couldn't they just carry the ship and fly away? And why were they physically overpowered? These characters are supposed to be able to tank planets, but some untrained child can rattle them because he's big?? Ugh.

I thought that this episode was a lot more entertaining than Episode #12, so it's interesting seeing the backlash to it. I do think that there should have been more Gomah, Degesu and Dr. Arinsu stuff going on, though. Just showing Warp-sama being disabled doesn't really fit narratively. They should have saved that for another episode where those three had the episode's full attention and used the runtime to flesh out Panzy and Blooma.

That's very surprising to hear. Episode 12 is the highest rated in the series, had two great fights, and SSJ3 Vegeta. It was by far the best one after #8, imo.

I thought that the fights were boring. I wasn’t invested in them and I don't feel like they were even well-directed and had fun animation. Komaki's directing for Episode #13 was more engaging, although I think that the story still had a similar issue as other fights: there's no really personal stakes at hand. We're just jumping into these battles with the characters without setting up what their immediate personal challenge should be. "Gokuu and friends are suddenly attacked by a giant," isn't really entertaining on its own. I DO think that the directing really mobilized the entire cast well, giving little moments to everyone, but the shock-and-awe tactic doesn't really work across a long fight like in Episode #13.

Similarly, with Episodes #11-12, not only is the animation boring, the pay-off of Vegeta's first major fight in the series is just hollow. What vulnerable moment was Vegeta really having? Sure, he was nearly eaten by a kraken, but what did those episodes establish with regards to Vegeta that would tell us, the audience, that Vegeta was at risk of truly losing something established to be important to him?

I feel like these are pretty basic things to do with a story, and that's why I've been really disappointed in Dragon Ball Daima so far. The tiny fun moments are a lot like eating candy and not eating dinner.

[nato25]

Them not transforming until the last part of the episode pissed me off more that I thought it would.

Me too lol but not as much as Goku's I'm not gonna make it, which instead of transforming to increase speed or using instantaneous movement, proceeds to charge up a Kamehameha... Seriously who is writing this... It's so poor

[JulieYBM]

I would gladly rewatch BOG and RF arcs of Super again over rewatching Daima

You'll have to forgive me for not bothering to read most of this post, but man, I couldn't possibly agree less with this sentiment. To each their own, but Super's episodes were so bad I couldn't even commit to watching it every week.

With that said, the manga and movies are a different conversation.

I do think that there should have been more Gomah, Degesu and Dr. Arinsu stuff going on, though.

I dunno about that. Given what the episode was going for, I actually appreciate that they left most of that stuff out. They probably should have gone even further and left the Warp-sama scene out too though, like you said.

Months from now when people are rewatching this via streaming or home media, this serves as a neat little disposable halfway story that they can either watch or skip at their leisure. Sometimes it's just nice to have fun, harmless filler that doesn't get in the way of the experience, and it all fits since the gang is already undergoing their own LOTR style adventure.

I'm pretty sure that they have a rule against episodes that are completely devoid of Gokuu, so I understand needing to intercut plotlines, but the selection of scenes for Episode #13 are honestly pretty baffling. If they really had to do a Gokuu storyline this episode then at least shorten the action a bit so that you can make the scenes with Gomah and Arinsu feel more narratively complete or leave off on a more satisfying know. Watching the episode makes the entire thing feel like they forgot to include a final scene with the Majin after the disabling of Warp-sama to better establish their motives now and where they are heading next.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm kinda stunned that after a two-week break, we get hit with a total filler episode. I'm sure some of the lore fanatics of the Dragon Ball will enjoy some of what this episode had to provide, but this was a tensionless, unfunny, narrative-halting snoozefest.

Daima is not in any position, or has earned the luxury, to start dragging its feet when it comes to progressing the plot.

Pointless, skippable episode.

[Zekken]

Dissapointing to meh episode.
No episode bar 1 and 8 has fully hit for me. And this one was noti it. It feels like the staff is treating Daima as some sort of sublime next-level grand tale where they feel that whatever they put out will be met with fan fare.

I think they are relying on the Dragon Ball name too much to think that we will chew up such a barebones episode without putting in much intrigue.
Goku smiling looking at the Megath's at the end really was the saving grace for this episode and I do get that this is part of the journey. I appreciate the time spent and the funniness of the Megath's still doing mundane things such as going to school and such are Toriyamai'sms that are not lost on me which i like being here. But in most episodes which has not been focusing on the tamagamis or the main plot they have always struck some sort of balance progressing things elsewhere. This episode did not have that, I just found myself near the end thinking that an entire episode had gone by without much of anything consequential occurring in this 20 episode show.

This is indeed a contender for worst episode yet.

[Bardock God of Time]

Imagine how strong an Adult Giant would be if they knew Ki.

And also there's even bigger beings out there so maybe Beerus should've found his rival by going to the Demon Realm Giga planet lol

[The Iron Fjord]

This episode was better than last week's. A nice little decompression episode on a fun world, doing it a lot better than its GT predecessor did. The Megas and the Gigas will most definitely give the power scalers tizzies considering Super Saiyan was just barely strong enough to hold off a child Megath. Plot wise, the only thing of significance was Glorio informing Arinsu that his gang have two of the Dragon Balls, but I had a lot of fun. Funniest moment of the episode was Goku shooting the Kamehame-ha at the giant puppy

[YamiGoku]

I would gladly rewatch BOG and RF arcs of Super again over rewatching Daima

You'll have to forgive me for not bothering to read most of this post, but man, I couldn't possibly agree less with this sentiment. To each their own, but Super's episodes were so bad I couldn't even commit to watching it every week.

With that said, the manga and movies are a different conversation.

Let's just say we are different people, with different tastes

the only episodes I would have rewatch from Daima is 8 and 12 but after episode 13 I dont know if I can tolerate Daima anymore, but aside from those 2, I rateather watch Vegeta taking Trunks to the park, Goku vs Beerus, the first part of Resurrection F and the Vegeta Blue vs Golden Frieza, I would even watch episode 5 of Super because all the memes I've seen of it bring me nostalgia, the only thing I'm skipping for sure is the Goku vs Frieza fight because it was bad and boring. (IMO) the only thing Daima has so far over the first 2 arcs of Super is animation and the 2 good episodes, everything else I enjoyed more on Super.

[Zephyr]

The scene where Goku randomly walks across the foreground eating fruit got a chuckle out of me. As did the choreography of the hamsters. Otherwise, yeah, super boring, if at least pretty to look at.

[fadeddreams5]

Imagine how strong an Adult Giant would be if they knew Ki.

And also there's even bigger beings out there so maybe Beerus should've found his rival by going to the Demon Realm Giga planet lol

Bruddah, even if they are ultra instinct level, the goal post will forever move for Beerus, especially now that Toriyama is gone. That deity can only be stopped by an angel. lol.

[ZombieVito]

I would gladly rewatch BOG and RF arcs of Super again over rewatching Daima, I had a lot of a better time then than now, the community was waaaay more alive back on early Super than now, and at least Super was meme-able bad when it was bad, Daima is just hella Boring, its like they had story for 6 episodes and they say"lets streach this to 20"

Easily.

As bad as it looked at times, it was still entertaining and I very much enjoyed them fixing the movies mistakes and expanding where they could like bringing back Ginyu.

Today they finally released Daima's first episode in English and I just don't have the interest. This has never happened with DB.

[Chuquita]

I do miss the wild rollercoaster that was Super and the fandom reactions to it. I miss having spoilers and episode tidbits teased in magazines. Good times.

Daima Ep 13:
Mostly uneventful imo, but I'm short on spare time this weekend so I'd be ok if next week's ep is the more interesting of the two.

+Seconding Goku walking by eating that giant apple.
+Bulma and Panzy having some time to hang out.
+Degasu shutting off Warp-sama and his anxiety over it.

-Even having not seen it in many years, I can still remember the escape from the giant bowl of cheerios, the pet ant and its tragic end, the giant pastry they stumbled upon when starving, and out-running the lawn mower in "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids". What I'm saying is Daima could've utilized this mega-land better than they did.