Dragon Ball Daima Strength Discussion Thread

[Almighty Majin]

New Daima power ranking with some references:

Spoiler:

Majin Duu
SSJ3 Goku | SSJ3 Vegeta | Tamagami #1 (Red Glow) | Kid Buu
Tamagami #1 | Majin Buu
Tamagami #2 (Purple Glow) | Good Buu | Evil Buu
SSJ2 Goku | SSJ2 Vegeta | Tamagami #2
Tamagami #3 (Orange Glow) | Majin Kuu
Super Perfect Cell
Tamagami #3
SSJ Goku | SSJ Vegeta | Full Power Piccolo
Gomah
Glorio
Nahare | Degesu | Dr. Arinsu
Namek Freeza (100%)
Base Goku | Base Vegeta | Weighted Piccolo
Ginyu Force
Raditz
King Kadan's General
Gendarmerie Soldiers | Freeza Soldiers
Neva
King Piccolo
Panzy

[Hugo Boss]

I’m curious why Duu is placed above SS3 level characters, considering he lacked control over his own power.

Also, why would Tamagami #1 (Red Glow) rank above the enhanced Tamagami #2 (Purple Glow)? The boost from Neva suggests he might surpass Tamagami #1. Without external help, Tamagami #1 couldn’t match that level of enhancement.

[Almighty Majin]

I’m curious why Duu is placed above SS3 level characters, considering he lacked control over his own power.

Also, why would Tamagami #1 (Red Glow) rank above the enhanced Tamagami #2 (Purple Glow)? The boost from Neva suggests he might surpass Tamagami #1. Without external help, Tamagami #1 couldn’t match that level of enhancement.

I was giving it some thought and the Tamagamis are a little trickier to rank than I thought. They are stronger in succession, but are relatively close to each other in power.

Tamagami #3 Base: Fights SSJ Goku
Tamagami #3 Powered Up: Requires SSJ2 to defeat
Tamagami #2 Base: Fights SSJ2 Vegeta
Tamagami #2 Powered Up: Requires SSJ3 to defeat

The logic would then suggest that...
Tamagami #1 Base: Can perhaps fight a SSJ3 level character?
Tamagami #1 Powered Up: May require a greater-than SSJ3 power to defeat?

The problem with this however, is Neva powering up Tamagami #2 as you mentioned. Since these fights occurred and ended side by side, perhaps the intention is that newly extra powered up Tamagami #2 is equal to the powered up Tamagami #1 now?

Spoiler:

SSJ3 Goku | SSJ3 Vegeta | Kid Buu
Majin Duu
Tamagami #1 (Red Glow) | Tamagami #2 (Purple Glow) | Majin Buu
Tamagami #1 | Good Buu | Evil Buu
SSJ2 Goku | SSJ2 Vegeta | Tamagami #2
Majin Kuu
Tamagami #3 (Orange Glow) | Super Perfect Cell
SSJ Goku | SSJ Vegeta | Tamagami #3

This probably makes more sense. Majin Duu would have to be either on par with the SSJ3 characters or slightly below. It will become easier to gauge when our heroes inevitably end up fighting Kuu and Duu.

[Yuji]

I don’t think unless stated otherwise, or showcased via a fight with the SS3 tier characters, that Doo is stronger than Boo. It is the narrative intention that he's a lesser clone of the original Fat Boo. Let's keep in mind there's a 4x difference between SS2 and SS3. Plenty of space to slot in a lot of characters.

[Hugo Boss]

Spoiler:

SSJ3 Goku | SSJ3 Vegeta | Kid Buu
Majin Duu
Tamagami #1 (Red Glow) | Tamagami #2 (Purple Glow) | Majin Buu
Tamagami #1 | Good Buu | Evil Buu
SSJ2 Goku | SSJ2 Vegeta | Tamagami #2
Majin Kuu
Tamagami #3 (Orange Glow) | Super Perfect Cell
SSJ Goku | SSJ Vegeta | Tamagami #3

This probably makes more sense. Majin Duu would have to be either on par with the SSJ3 characters or slightly below. It will become easier to gauge when our heroes inevitably end up fighting Kuu and Duu.

I think your revised ranking makes more sense, especially with the idea of Neva-boosted Tamagami #2 being equal to powered-up Tamagami #1. However, I’d be cautious about placing Majin Kuu above or even near SS2-tier characters like Tamagami #3 and Cell without a direct showcase. Also, narratively, Duu being a counterpart of Fat Buu implies he should sit closer to him in power, and Fat Buu had a better showing against SS3-tier characters like Goku and Kid Buu, so I would bump him a few notches up.

[shadowfox87]

I don't believe that Majin Duu is stronger than Kid Buu. Now, if we combine the intelligence of Kuu with the strength of Duu, then we may get something like Super Buu or Kid Buu. I don't really see anything surpassing Kid Buu because then that fight would have been what Whis would have watched with Beerus instead.

[ZombieVito]

I don't believe that Majin Duu is stronger than Kid Buu. Now, if we combine the intelligence of Kuu with the strength of Duu, then we may get something like Super Buu or Kid Buu. I don't really see anything surpassing Kid Buu because then that fight would have been what Whis would have watched with Beerus instead.

What's one more contradiction to add to the list Daima introduced?

[Hugo Boss]

I don't believe that Majin Duu is stronger than Kid Buu. Now, if we combine the intelligence of Kuu with the strength of Duu, then we may get something like Super Buu or Kid Buu. I don't really see anything surpassing Kid Buu because then that fight would have been what Whis would have watched with Beerus instead.

What's one more contradiction to add to the list Daima introduced?

To be fair, Beerus didn’t watch the battle against Buu either. Whis only showed Goku’s fight against Freeza, despite there being higher stakes-level fights.

[DBZ Macky]

The first Majin Marba created was stated to not even be as strong as Arinsu, but I think Kuu should at least be stronger than her, and by extension stronger than Shin, Degesu, etc.

Whether you think that makes him Base Tier or SS Tier is another discussion entirely but I don’t think he’s as strong as SS2 Tier characters.

[ankokudaishogun]

So, how do you people scale the Megas?

[Berserker1921]

So, how do you people scale the Megas?

A kid one can over ssj Goku and vegeta. Probably need ssj3 or fusion to beat a kid megath. And maybe Vegito for an adult. As for the gigath, if they are even bigger, they are probably stronger. Maybe we would be reaching battle of gods level of power scaling. Maybe ssjgod at least.

[Hugo Boss]

So, how do you people scale the Megas?

If they use kraken as a snack, and a kid of them can overwhelm SS Goku, and Neva is afraid of them, they are probably stronger than a Tamagami. So, perhaps comparable to Majin Duu.

[Koitsukai]

I don't think we can safely say how strong anybody in Daima is, with the gang becoming kids and weaker, not even sure how much weaker they are.
We know T-3 is stronger than pre-Majin Dabura, but we don't know how strong he was before the boost. Likely, as strong as a decent Cell Games participant, but who knows? maybe not.
We also know now that he wasn't the strongest, the megas and the gigas must be above him, they fish krakens, and who knows if above Buu, too.

I'd love to get some comparison with how the guys are now with the Buu saga, probably Majin Duu will earn one.

Knowing Toriyama, the strongest Giga might be a rival to Beerus... o the exact opposite.

[LightBing]

I don't think the characters are weaker. It would be a mess narrative wise.
What would be the point of SSJ3 Vegeta if he's actually nerfed and is only SSJ2 level?

It reads to me as an hindrance that has been mostly overcome. Goku couldn't go SSJ, eventually he got there; then SSJ2 and SSJ3 is still on the air.
Vegeta had trouble at the start of his fight against Tamagami 2, then got used to it and is now unerfed.

It was basically an excuse for Goku to have a little bit of trouble and growth will fighting random monks.

So, how do you people scale the Megas?

It appeared that Goku was SSJ2 when the Mega child sent him flying in their clash.
The child probably is SSJ3 level.

An adult should be many times stronger. I'll say at least Bootenks level.

[ZombieVito]

So, how do you people scale the Megas?

Stronger than Daima SS3 since they eat Krakens for snacks.

No idea how strong SS3 in Daima is supposed to be since they all got weaker.

[DBZ Macky]

Vegeta turning SS2 made a massive explosion inside the Kraken even if the latter was mostly unfazed. I think SS3 is probably stronger than the Krakens and Megaths since it’s at least 4x stronger than SS2 which still leaves a lot of room for them.

SS3 is more comparable to Pure/Kid Buu instead of the Fat Buu who was already around twice as strong as SS2 Gohan going by how his energy only filled half of Babidi’s Kili meter.

[Yuji]

Vegeta turning SS2 made a massive explosion inside the Kraken even if the latter was mostly unfazed. I think SS3 is probably stronger than the Krakens and Megaths since it’s at least 4x stronger than SS2 which still leaves a lot of room for them.

SS3 is more comparable to Pure/Kid Buu instead of the Fat Buu who was already around twice as strong as SS2 Gohan going by how his energy only filled half of Babidi’s Kili meter.

Do you think Mr. Boo is weaker than Boo arc SS2s then? Since he'd inherit less than 50% of Fat Boo's power.

Though I've seen people who claim that Mr. Boo is just Fat Boo in strength and appearance both, and Grey Boo is his repressed power. But the narration is clear to me that the power was split amongst both.

[ZombieVito]

Mr. Boo is far stronger than SS2 Vegeta going by their respective fights against Kid Boo.

[LightBing]

Vegeta turning SS2 made a massive explosion inside the Kraken even if the latter was mostly unfazed. I think SS3 is probably stronger than the Krakens and Megaths since it’s at least 4x stronger than SS2 which still leaves a lot of room for them.

SS3 is more comparable to Pure/Kid Buu instead of the Fat Buu who was already around twice as strong as SS2 Gohan going by how his energy only filled half of Babidi’s Kili meter.

Do you think Mr. Boo is weaker than Boo arc SS2s then? Since he'd inherit less than 50% of Fat Boo's power.

Though I've seen people who claim that Mr. Boo is just Fat Boo in strength and appearance both, and Grey Boo is his repressed power. But the narration is clear to me that the power was split amongst both.

It'd probably an Android like situation. Even with similar powers, with it's regeneration it would cover the difference. Still SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta should still win. Gohan is a little more doubtful.

This is all assuming that the "majority" of power Grey Boo took is like 60%.
Mr Boo would be 40% of Majin Boo. Like mentioned Gohan was worth around 45% of Majin Boo(almost half).

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Good Boo is much stronger than SSJ2 Gohan lol. Boo doesn't have infinite stamina when he's fighting another Boo. Either Fat Boo's power can go beyond ~2x SSJ2 Gohan (Which makes sense because his dormant power is Super Boo) or Mr Boo is as strong as Fat Boo.