Nothing can appropriately express my anger

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:51 am

Captain Awesome wrote:I was raised on cartoons.

I'm the kind of guy who's dvd collection is comprised almost completely of animation, mind you I'm in my 20's now, and the sad thing I find is, other than old classics that I adore, I'm only picking up Anime on dvd, simply because I believe the standard for western animation as an entertainment medium has sunk so low that I can't stomach the majority of cartoons on today.

I really find that sad.

I agree completely, American cartoons today just aren't what they used to be. I can't even believe some of the stupid shows they allow on television these days.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:59 am

Onikage725 wrote:
You know, like the stories one heres about people who used to flee theaters during the original Dracula film, but if any of us watched it, it would be a struggle to stay interested.

I actually remember learning in school how one of the first motion pictures was of a train, and one of the camera angles used had the train steaming towards the audience. The people flipped out and ran out of the theatre, thinking the train would really hit them.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:31 pm

Well, do remember hearing how in the late 60s-70s parent groups were mad about violence in Lonney Tunes and Tom and Jerry. Heck, saw on first season He-Man set, they said some parent groups were protesting violence in the show before it even aired, and that's why they put the PSAs in the eps.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:49 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Well, do remember hearing how in the late 60s-70s parent groups were mad about violence in Lonney Tunes and Tom and Jerry. Heck, saw on first season He-Man set, they said some parent groups were protesting violence in the show before it even aired, and that's why they put the PSAs in the eps.

Wow... people were complaining about He-Man? I'm surprised they didn't go after Thundercats, what with Cheetara's semi-nudity in an episode (the first?)

Anyway, I recall reading somewhere that the issue to some isn't the quality of the cartoons - it's the fact that it's only these cartoons being shown. When I was a kid, Cartoon Network was still showing Scooby-Doo in primetime - or my own as-a-kid definition of primetime, 7:00 every weeknight. Now, all you see are cartoons made in this era, and that's the issue. Even Boomerang is suffering, showing garbage like THE Batman.

I grew up on reruns of Thundercats, Flinstones, Scooby-Doo, and many others. So I missed the original runs, big deal! What matters to me is that I remember so much about these cartoons.

edit - also, I love how Tom and Jerry has to be censored because apparently when they blow up, it shows blackface. I am PROUD to say that - along with my friends when I tell them of situations like this - I had no idea what blackface was until I looked it up. Maybe I'm naive, or maybe I have a group of naive friends; but that's how the world is now. These forms of racial humor have evolved to become less offensive, and more in a line of parody. I don't possibly see how a cat having a black face after an explosion is offensive :/.

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Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:54 pm

bkev wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:Well, do remember hearing how in the late 60s-70s parent groups were mad about violence in Lonney Tunes and Tom and Jerry. Heck, saw on first season He-Man set, they said some parent groups were protesting violence in the show before it even aired, and that's why they put the PSAs in the eps.
Wow... people were complaining about He-Man? I'm surprised they didn't go after Thundercats, what with Cheetara's semi-nudity in an episode (the first?)

From what the guys said, after the show actually aired, it died down, because let's face it, He'Man wasn't that bad, though it was able to shwo more action that 70s cartoonsw due to FCC relaxing things.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:56 pm

bkev wrote: Anyway, I recall reading somewhere that the issue to some isn't the quality of the cartoons - it's the fact that it's only these cartoons being shown. When I was a kid, Cartoon Network was still showing Scooby-Doo in primetime - or my own as-a-kid definition of primetime, 7:00 every weeknight. Now, all you see are cartoons made in this era, and that's the issue. Even Boomerang is suffering, showing garbage like THE Batman.

I grew up on reruns of Thundercats, Flinstones, Scooby-Doo, and many others. So I missed the original runs, big deal! What matters to me is that I remember so much about these cartoons.

edit - also, I love how Tom and Jerry has to be censored because apparently when they blow up, it shows blackface. I am PROUD to say that - along with my friends when I tell them of situations like this - I had no idea what blackface was until I looked it up. Maybe I'm naive, or maybe I have a group of naive friends; but that's how the world is now. These forms of racial humor have evolved to become less offensive, and more in a line of parody. I don't possibly see how a cat having a black face after an explosion is offensive :/.

I can't see it either. There seems to be one common point to all of the comments here: The shows that were being censored or people were trying to censor are the ones that people remember for being great, and the ones that are being politically correct and censoring themselves are garbage.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:50 pm

bkev wrote:
edit - also, I love how Tom and Jerry has to be censored because apparently when they blow up, it shows blackface. I am PROUD to say that - along with my friends when I tell them of situations like this - I had no idea what blackface was until I looked it up. Maybe I'm naive, or maybe I have a group of naive friends; but that's how the world is now. These forms of racial humor have evolved to become less offensive, and more in a line of parody. I don't possibly see how a cat having a black face after an explosion is offensive :/.

Heck, I'm black(Well, half, but still) and I don't find it offensive. It's the same with that lady who whined about Popo's lips being removed. It's a freaking cartoon, stop PMS'ing about it and get on with your life.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:15 am

Big Momma wrote:Heck, I'm black(Well, half, but still)

Ditto

and I don't find it offensive.

And ditto.
Sometimes, people just love having something to be uptight about.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:33 am

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:47 am

Kunzait_83 wrote: I never got Boomerang, and I always wished I did as it always sounded to me like it was what Cartoon Network used to be in its heyday. Saddens me to hear that even that's starting to go down the shitter.

Just to be fair, I'm looking at a list of their current programming and I'd say it is far from "down the shitter," The Batman no withstanding (and I dont even think thats a bad show, though I hated it at first).

For example, to balance that, they have Batman: TAS. They have Hong Kong Phooey, Jabberjaw, Johnny Quest, Cow & Chicken, Duck Dodgers, Huckleberry Hound, The Jetsons, The Flintstones, Captain Planet, Swat Kats, Snorks, Yogi Bear, Voltron, Dexter's Laboratory, etc, etc, etc.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:59 am

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:00 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote: Well, that's certainly a relief to hear. Still doesn't change the fact that I don't get the fucking channel either way.

Touché

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:45 pm

Batman TAS is on Jetix. Now, Toon Disney I have a love-hate relationship with. I love some shows on Jetix (Oban Star-Racers), but I hate that it takes away from my 90's Disney cartoons (Chip & Dale, anyone?). Toon Disney should just rename itself Jetix already.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:03 pm

I know Batman's on there, cuz I actually get that channel (unlike Boomerang). I just read that it was also on Boomerang.

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:22 pm

Big Momma wrote:
bkev wrote:
edit - also, I love how Tom and Jerry has to be censored because apparently when they blow up, it shows blackface. I am PROUD to say that - along with my friends when I tell them of situations like this - I had no idea what blackface was until I looked it up. Maybe I'm naive, or maybe I have a group of naive friends; but that's how the world is now. These forms of racial humor have evolved to become less offensive, and more in a line of parody. I don't possibly see how a cat having a black face after an explosion is offensive :/.
Heck, I'm black(Well, half, but still) and I don't find it offensive. It's the same with that lady who whined about Popo's lips being removed. It's a freaking cartoon, stop PMS'ing about it and get on with your life.

My thoughts exactly.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:02 pm

bkev wrote:Batman TAS is on Jetix. Now, Toon Disney I have a love-hate relationship with. I love some shows on Jetix (Oban Star-Racers), but I hate that it takes away from my 90's Disney cartoons (Chip & Dale, anyone?). Toon Disney should just rename itself Jetix already.

From what I hear, they edit Batman and Superman on that channel, which is something CN never did. Makes me glad I have the entire series of Batman on dvd, save vol. 4. Am mad they still edit older shows on Jetix like PR, Digimon, and both Spider-Mans because of buildings blowing up/on fire. It's been almost 7 years, get over it.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:23 pm

Super Sonic wrote:
bkev wrote:Batman TAS is on Jetix. Now, Toon Disney I have a love-hate relationship with. I love some shows on Jetix (Oban Star-Racers), but I hate that it takes away from my 90's Disney cartoons (Chip & Dale, anyone?). Toon Disney should just rename itself Jetix already.
From what I hear, they edit Batman and Superman on that channel, which is something CN never did. Makes me glad I have the entire series of Batman on dvd, save vol. 4. Am mad they still edit older shows on Jetix like PR, Digimon, and both Spider-Mans because of buildings blowing up/on fire. It's been almost 7 years, get over it.

Bah. Looked it up, and they do. Good job Disney, once again you screw up a good show. They did the same with OSR - I mean, not even the UK got the edits we did for that show. Which IS saying something, believe me.

edit- wait, they screwed up Digimon too? How can they do that when Saban already edited the HELL outta that?

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:35 am

bkev wrote:wait, they screwed up Digimon too? How can they do that when Saban already edited the HELL outta that?

Would editing post-Saban even leave any footage?

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:32 pm

THey haven't seemed to have touched Tamers as like it originally was uncut except for buildings in peril, but they keep skipping that episode of BlackWargreymon and Wargreymon's fight. Likely due to buildings in peril, though I haven't seen that ep in years.