MUi, UE, Broly, Beast & Orange Piccolo vs Black Frieza is this the ending we are heading to?

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MUi, UE, Broly, Beast & Orange Piccolo vs Black Frieza is this the ending we are heading to?

Post by DBFanGuy » Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:23 pm

With these 5 powerhouses now on the scene is this the big clash that will end Super? Doesn’t seem like there is much time for some of these new forms to get more screen time.

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Post by capsulecorp » Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:24 pm

DBFanGuy wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:23 pm With these 5 powerhouses now on the scene is this the big clash that will end Super? Doesn’t seem like there is much time for some of these new forms to get more screen time.
Super is over my friend.

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Post by Alruneia » Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:50 pm

Let's wait and see what happens after next month's Super manga chapter. If the story continues afterwards, which we don't know if it will or not, then yeah, that's what it looks like right now. If the Super manga does continue, though, there's also no guarantee that a Black Frieza arc would start right away. Maybe they'd want to do something with some other ideas Toriyama had before he passed away first, and that's where you'd get a little more time with Goku's UI journey, Vegeta's UE stuff, Broly's mastery of SS, Gohan Beast and Orange Piccolo. We just don't know anything right now beyond there being an upcoming Super manga one-shot chapter about Goten and Trunks that's set before the DBSSH prequel arc.
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Post by SupremeKai25 » Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:57 pm

capsulecorp wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:24 pm
DBFanGuy wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:23 pm With these 5 powerhouses now on the scene is this the big clash that will end Super? Doesn’t seem like there is much time for some of these new forms to get more screen time.
Super is over my friend.
This is an utterly baseless claim.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by DBFanGuy » Sun Jan 26, 2025 7:16 pm

Alruneia wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:50 pm Let's wait and see what happens after next month's Super manga chapter. If the story continues afterwards, which we don't know if it will or not, then yeah, that's what it looks like right now. If the Super manga does continue, though, there's also no guarantee that a Black Frieza arc would start right away. Maybe they'd want to do something with some other ideas Toriyama had before he passed away first, and that's where you'd get a little more time with Goku's UI journey, Vegeta's UE stuff, Broly's mastery of SS, Gohan Beast and Orange Piccolo. We just don't know anything right now beyond there being an upcoming Super manga one-shot chapter about Goten and Trunks that's set before the DBSSH prequel arc.
I would defiantly like to see more of their journeys mastering their new forms. I’m just so excited to see these forms in action again. Wish we got some kind of hints of what Toriyama was cooking for them.

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Post by picc » Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:05 pm

capsulecorp wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:24 pm
DBFanGuy wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:23 pm With these 5 powerhouses now on the scene is this the big clash that will end Super? Doesn’t seem like there is much time for some of these new forms to get more screen time.
Super is over my friend.
But the fanfic about it is going to be awesome.
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Post by capsulecorp » Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:17 pm

picc wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:05 pm
capsulecorp wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:24 pm
DBFanGuy wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:23 pm With these 5 powerhouses now on the scene is this the big clash that will end Super? Doesn’t seem like there is much time for some of these new forms to get more screen time.
Super is over my friend.
But the fanfic about it is going to be awesome.
I hope so, I'd read it! Black Frieza is fanfic bait of the highest order lol

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:46 am

capsulecorp wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:17 pm
picc wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:05 pm
capsulecorp wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:24 pm

Super is over my friend.
But the fanfic about it is going to be awesome.
I hope so, I'd read it! Black Frieza is fanfic bait of the highest order lol
The only fanfic bait is your idea that Super is over when there's literally no confirmation of this lmao.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by Jord » Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:16 am

SupremeKai25 wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:46 am
capsulecorp wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:17 pm
picc wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:05 pm

But the fanfic about it is going to be awesome.
I hope so, I'd read it! Black Frieza is fanfic bait of the highest order lol
The only fanfic bait is your idea that Super is over when there's literally no confirmation of this lmao.
Yep, with an anime that ended around 5 years ago it sure is alive and well.
Oh but the movie? Yeah, that was around 3 years ago.
The manga sputters on a bit I guess since it's a low cost.

Toei doesn't put any serious money in it. No new "season" of the anime, no new movie, no merch for characters post-SuperHero. Might as well be for the better considering the writing for Super was Subpar.
Then again, Daima doesn't seem to be that hot either so I guess we'll see what happens.

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:34 am

Jord wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:16 am
SupremeKai25 wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:46 am
capsulecorp wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:17 pm

I hope so, I'd read it! Black Frieza is fanfic bait of the highest order lol
The only fanfic bait is your idea that Super is over when there's literally no confirmation of this lmao.
Yep, with an anime that ended around 5 years ago it sure is alive and well.
Oh but the movie? Yeah, that was around 3 years ago.
The manga sputters on a bit I guess since it's a low cost.

Toei doesn't put any serious money in it. No new "season" of the anime, no new movie, no merch for characters post-SuperHero. Might as well be for the better considering the writing for Super was Subpar.
Then again, Daima doesn't seem to be that hot either so I guess we'll see what happens.
The Super manga is coming back next month.

What are you talking about?
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by Hugo Boss » Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:59 am

SupremeKai25 wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:34 am The Super manga is coming back next month.

What are you talking about?
Next month we will only have a bonus chapter set before the Super Hero prequel chapters. There is no announcement of when chapter #104 will be released (or if there is one). The usual note of hiatus remains.

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:00 am

Hugo Boss wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:59 am
SupremeKai25 wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:34 am The Super manga is coming back next month.

What are you talking about?
Next month we will only have a bonus chapter set before the Super Hero prequel chapters. There is no announcement of when chapter #104 will be released (or if there is one). The usual note of hiatus remains.
Is the Super manga getting new content next month? Yes? Then Super is not over.

Also, a manga going on hiatus and a manga ending are two completely different things. They're almost like extreme opposites. There's no confirmation that Super is ending, it's simply on hiatus.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by Hugo Boss » Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:30 am

SupremeKai25 wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:00 am
Hugo Boss wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:59 am
SupremeKai25 wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:34 am The Super manga is coming back next month.

What are you talking about?
Next month we will only have a bonus chapter set before the Super Hero prequel chapters. There is no announcement of when chapter #104 will be released (or if there is one). The usual note of hiatus remains.
Is the Super manga getting new content next month? Yes? Then Super is not over.

Also, a manga going on hiatus and a manga ending are two completely different things. They're almost like extreme opposites. There's no confirmation that Super is ending, it's simply on hiatus.
Not exactly the point I’m making. It only needed clarification that isn’t “coming back next month” as you called. New content, sure, no doubt about it.

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Post by Neon Z » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:29 pm

I really doubt Toriyama was moving things towards killing off Freeza. There probably would be a story where he had focus, but he might not even be the main villain, like how although he was an antagonist in Broly he wasn't the big main opponent so didn't get killed off. Although without Toriyama who knows what will happen now.

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