Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 16 - Official Discussion Thread

[AliTheZombie13]

I'll take a wild guess here.
I don't want to be accusing the Daima writers or Toriyama from engaging in this, just saying this is a possible explanation for it:
Because Daima was made with a younger audience in mind. And as you know, "Kids are stupid and will just consume whatever."

People keep saying this, but the fact they tried to have Kid Goku nostalgia of all things, pole included, would actually aim for the oldest audience in the fandom that is familiar for the original DB arcs.

That's the official explanation they gave for both GT and Daima.
"We're trying to attract a new audience, so we're making them kids again."

But two things can be true at the same time, they're trying to attract a new audience AND appeal to Kid Goku nostalgia.

[Marty Kirra]

This is also kind of a minor nitpick, but if the idea was for Gowasu to get the demon eye and become big and buff...I probably would not have designed him with that red and black color scheme that Jiren and company use. Underwhelming transformation, and I would've been fine if he hadn't transformed at all. Big fumble on his design if that was the end goal.

[DestructoDisc]

What is with Daima and being unable to create good new character designs for the cast that matters? All of the kid designs of the main cast are just awful, with Mr Satan's and Ox King's of all characters being the exception, while the new cast just look too similar to characters we've seen before. Panzy? Marcarita if she was a kid. Glorio? Mira. Arinsu? Towa. Degesu? Shin and the U1 Kaioshin. And now Gomah looks like a carbon copy of Jiren which I refuse to believe wasn't intentional.

[StaticMania]

Vegeta fighting the Police Force.

If it was going to be so anti-climactic, the actual scene could've been...much more comedically paced and shorter. Up until the leader hurt his hand, it felt like it was being played completely sincerely. Which considering the substance of the scene...is boring. Why did Goku and Piccolo just let him do it anyway? Vegeta's probably the most boring choice for this scenario.

The lack of focus on Gomah and Degesu proved how detrimental it was...as Degesu betrays Gomah with no real build up, no real plan, attempting to leave the castle before his paid hand comes back with the 3rd Eye and...being defeated in 1 shot by Piccolo. In fact, considering how pathetic it was...I'd rather Panzy be the one who actually caught him off-guard.

Gomah gets the EVIL 3rd Eye and becomes a giant hulking brute...looking like one of the Pride Troopers, so that color scheme wasn't helping. I was really hoping that the Oculus would boost his magic or something...if he needed a transformation, make him look like a powerful mage.

Supreme Kai finally talks again in this episode...yet he says the most generic, devoid of personality stuff he could've said when confronting his evil twin, long lost brother. So shameful.

[Hellspawn28]

Odd that Vegeta didn't kill the Gendarmerie. He always killed a bad guy in every show that he has appear in.

[Mr Baggins]

Oh, almost forgot:

I don't tend to talk about animation much, but my guy Ryo Onishi was involved in this episode and apparently did the cut with Gomah and hat girl in the throne room.

So good!

[IntangibleFancy]

People keep saying this, but the fact they tried to have Kid Goku nostalgia of all things, pole included, would actually aim for the oldest audience in the fandom that is familiar for the original DB arcs.

Yeah I don’t really get either. Daima doesnt really feel like something younger audiences would enjoy. If we’re talking teenagers/preteens, I’d imagine that they would prefer action like JJK or demon slayer on top of adventure. And Daima isn’t really doing very well in the adventure department either.

I also think the way they’re handling the dub plays a part in why I can’t see it being for kids (at least the kids here in the US). It takes an extra 2 hours for Crunchyroll to have it, longer for the dub to come out, and the dub is only like 4 episodes in despite being 2-3 months behind.

[AliTheZombie13]

Yeah I don’t really get either. Daima doesnt really feel like something younger audiences would enjoy. If we’re talking teenagers/preteens, I’d imagine that they would prefer action like JJK or demon slayer on top of adventure. And Daima isn’t really doing very well in the adventure department either.

I also think the way they’re handling the dub plays a part in why I can’t see it being for kids (at least the kids here in the US). It takes an extra 2 hours for Crunchyroll to have it, longer for the dub to come out, and the dub is only like 4 episodes in despite being 2-3 months behind.

On the contraire, Daima feels exactly like a Saturday morning cartoon anime aimed at very little kids. These animes all have similar structure, the beginning and the ending are always plot plot plot, and all the 20-40 in-between episodes are all random pointless adventures off the week.

Off the top of my head, I can think of Corrector Yui and the Sherlock Holmes anime adaptation where everyone is a furry.

[JulieYBM]

If Daima was a Saturday morning cartoon the episodes would have way more structure than what they have now.

Anyway, the preview for Episode #17 looks cool. I hope that there's some real fire to the episode.

[Retan]

Thank god for Vegeta as always

[Jack Bz]

Everything with Gomah and the woman who got the third eye was great stuff. Loved Gomah trying to get the eye out the belt with a spoon, loved the woman going back for the jewels she dropped when she ran away. I really enjoyed Gomah as a character this episode.

Didn't much enjoy the gendarmerie force this time around. Their shopping trip with kuu and duu was much more entertaining.

The next episode looks awesome though. A big well animated brawl between the important player characters is just what I need next week

[kemuri07]

Yeah this was definitely an improvement over last episode. One might say, this probably should have just been episode 15. And while there isn't a mondo cool fight scene here, I did crack up about how much the ginyu wannabes are such dorks. That was fun. And yeah, also agree that blue demon girl and Gomah was also a highlight. There's a juvenile nature of Gomah trying to use a plunger to get the third eye from the belt that I liked.

Considering they let the next episode preview go on longer than usual, it looks like it might be a banger.

[fadeddreams5]

I'm laughing cause some people here thought that jewel-lover was Degesu crossdressing as a "female" glind. I would have actually preferred that since this new chick doesn't even have a name.

I'm starting to feel no expectations are going to be subverted, and Gomah really will be the final bad guy, with an inevitable fusion happening soon. Kinda lame if that's the case.

People keep saying this, but the fact they tried to have Kid Goku nostalgia of all things, pole included, would actually aim for the oldest audience in the fandom that is familiar for the original DB arcs.

I have to disagree with this. This is done to capture the same magic of early DB in an attempt to lure in new kids, imo. The oldest audience mostly prefers DBZ with adult Goku, not Kid Goku. It is clear as day Daima is a much, much more kid-friendly show than OG DB/DBZ, but some of that also has to do with standards changing. Even Super was noticeably a lot more censored and risk-advertent with its violence.

[Gaffer Tape]

I'm laughing cause some people here thought that jewel-lover was Degesu crossdressing as a "female" glind. I would have actually preferred that since this new chick doesn't even have a name.

Well, needs a bit of a correction there. Some of us thought that Degesu might have transitioned into a different gender identity or presentation. Because that's something the show had established they can inherently and physically do.

[JulieYBM]

Degesu, But a Trans Girl would have made this series so much better than making this a separate character, but alas, that would be too subversive and true to life for this weaksauce series.

[Makaioshin]

It is funny after all the discourses about how powerful regular guns were in the last episode that they just off-screen beat the army and Vegeta was completely immune to the Gatling gun used by the Tokusentai. But then again Degesu holds them all up with a gun at the end so that war wages on.

I really like the thief in this episode. Too bad she wasn't important enough to get a name but she was a bright spot. Degesu really wasn't much in the end aside from existing so Gomah had someone to talk to. I wonder if Gomah receiving the eye was his intention as he drew attention to himself rather than just wait for the eye. I am guessing there is some massive drawback, similar to the Secret of Evolution from DQ.

I don't get why Vegeta, Piccolo, and Shin couldn't sense Dende and begged Goku to do it. And then Goku and Vegeta just stand there during the confrontation. A bit of an issue with having all these characters involved. Fine episode though. C+. Next episode looks exciting.

[Mr Baggins]

And then Goku and Vegeta just stand there during the confrontation.

They stood there because Degesu had a gun to Dende's head. Even teleportation was probably seen as too risky, given the circumstances.

There's a reason Panzy and Glorio took a sneakier approach.

[BootyCheeksJohnson]

And then Goku and Vegeta just stand there during the confrontation.

They stood there because Degesu had a gun to Dende's head. Even teleportation was probably seen as too risky, given the circumstances.

There's a reason Panzy and Glorio took a sneakier approach.

I'll also defend the decision not to teleport directly to Dende just in case the enemies were masking their key in order to sneak attack the heroes.

[The Monkey King]

Odd that Vegeta didn't kill the Gendarmerie. He always killed a bad guy in every show that he has appear in.

Why do people keep bringing up death in the Dragon Ball Baby show? It's not gonna happen.

[Chuquita]

+Hybus’ poop-shaped hat helping stop Degesu.
+Goku getting free potato chips.
+Majin Kuu holding that dragon ball with this serious look on his face knowing what a goofball he actually is.
+Gomah uses a plunger to pull the 3rd eye free.
+I agree with Panzy; eerie-cute is a good descriptor for these mini-forms.

-disappointed hatless-girl isn’t Degesu.
-the strange fade-to-black after the not!Ginyu Force is defeated; no explanation for their gummy bodycuffs(?).
-Gomah looking too much like Jiren from behind near the end of his transformation.
-the longest version of the recap being used at the start gave me a bad impression that this would be a slow ep from the start.

+/-Vegeta being so bland when fighting the not!Ginyu Force. If I spin it positively I’m like “he’s been done with this being turned into a child thing from the start” if I go negative it’s “wow they have no interest in letting Vegeta have any fun here/low-effort writing”.
+/-Why was only Goku sensing around for Dende when he had Piccolo and Vegeta with him?
+/-Watching this while playing DQ 3 2D HD the castle looks so much like a DQ dungeon. The head of the not!Ginyus using that giant fireball that looks exactly like one of the spells DQ mages can cast.