Super or Daima

[Jord]

It's funny, people always talk about how Super does a lot of callbacks and nostalgia baits, but at this point Super is 10 years old. It's old enough to have its own callbacks and references in newer shows.

Why isn't Daima being demolished for the nostalgia baits like Super was with Moro 7-3 and Perfect Cell? How is this not just a nostalgic callback to Jiren?

I thought multiple people posted about this comparison. And I agree that this looks ludicrous. The Super anime ended just a few years ago, I didn't know nostalgia could happen so fast for some people.

[SupremeKai25]

The Super anime ended just a few years ago, I didn't know nostalgia could happen so fast for some people.

Why not? It's been 7 years since the Tournament of Power. 12 years since Beerus first appeared.

I'd say that's more than enough time for a product to be considered "old" and the nostalgia to begin.

[dbs fanboy]

The Super anime ended just a few years ago, I didn't know nostalgia could happen so fast for some people.

Why not? It's been 7 years since the Tournament of Power. 12 years since Beerus first appeared.

I'd say that's more than enough time for a product to be considered "old" and the nostalgia to begin.

Man it feels like yesterday that since Beerus first appeared I can't believe it's been 12 years already, I was in middle school back then even!

Anyway I've changed my mind, I cast my vote to Super.

[SupremeKai25]

The Super anime ended just a few years ago, I didn't know nostalgia could happen so fast for some people.

Why not? It's been 7 years since the Tournament of Power. 12 years since Beerus first appeared.

I'd say that's more than enough time for a product to be considered "old" and the nostalgia to begin.

Man it feels like yesterday that since Beerus first appeared I can't believe it's been 12 years already, I was in middle school back then even!

Anyway I've changed my mind, I cast my vote to Super.

It's been 12 years since Beerus first appeared. 10 years since the anime began. 7 years since Jiren and Ultra Instinct. 3 years since Black Freeza.

Super as a series consisting of anime, manga, and movies is catching up to the original series (1984-1997) in terms of longevity.

There's many callbacks and references to Super in Daima. Gomah's powered-up form is nearly identical to Jiren. Gowasu and the other Kais appeared in a flashback, and the Twelve universes were mentioned.

Since this show, Daima, is a tribute to 40 years of Dragon Ball, over 10 years of Super cannot be ignored.

[Jord]

The Super anime ended just a few years ago, I didn't know nostalgia could happen so fast for some people.

Why not? It's been 7 years since the Tournament of Power. 12 years since Beerus first appeared.

I'd say that's more than enough time for a product to be considered "old" and the nostalgia to begin.

Somehow I thought it was way shorter than 7 years. Wow!

[fadeddreams5]

Super easily clears because of the ToP arc and the two movies. I would say the Goku Black arc was comparative to Daima in how it held my interest until the end too. And just like how I have never rewatched that arc, I doubt I will ever rewatch Daima. I still look back at some of the ToP battles, as well as the movie battles, though.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Toei needed a win for Dragonall media. This is that win. Boring? At times. Practical? Yes. But gives a show that won't be a mess of memes and negative reception years after the fact, and could be viewed fondly by more people? You bet.

What? The DBS movies are better examples of Toei "wins", with DBS Broly being a key standout in terms of hype and positive reception.

Meanwhile Daima is on its way to being memory holed as Dragon Ball's boring toddler series with nice animation.

Broly was god awful narratively though. There was no plot. It was just one big fight in which said titular character barely spoke and just screamed.

The film is basically a sakuga show reel. If Yamamuro handled that film it would have been as hated as RF.

Not sure how you can dislike Daima and prop Broly when the former at least has a semblance of a narrative.

[AliTheZombie13]

Broly was god awful narratively though. There was no plot. It was just one big fight in which said titular character barely spoke and just screamed.

The film is basically a sakuga show reel. If Yamamuro handled that film it would have been as hated as RF.

Not sure how you can dislike Daima and prop Broly when the former at least has a semblance of a narrative.

The Broly redemption subplot through his Freeza Force friends kept me entertained, though.
Couldn't give less of a shit about everything else.

At least Broly came and went fast, while Daima is taking its sweet time providing nothing of value.

[Zephyr]

I'd need to rewatch Super to be sure, but as of right now I'd definitely say Super, even if Daima absolutely washes it in terms of visuals.

Continuing off of this post....

I'm seeing people mention what they would and wouldn't rewatch, and I'm definitely planning to rewatch GT and Super in the relatively-nearish future, after re-reading the manga front to back and rewatching the DB and Z anime. I might as well also rewatch Daima afterwards, and in all of that, Daima is the thing I am least excited to revisit. Now, that's no doubt partly because I am in the middle of watching it right now, so it's recent enough that I'd prefer some time with something else (so, I'd likely be least excited to rewatch whatever it is I'm currently watching). But it's also only 20 episodes, so I shouldn't be dreading it that much, right?

Was thinking about this recently, and each of DB's three sequel anime have different merits in my eyes. For GT, I like its placement in the timeline more than Super's or Daima's. For Super, I like its theming and narrative throughlines more than GT's or Daima's. For Daima? I like its lore and worldbuilding more than GT's or Super's. And that.....isn't the kind of thing that will make it fun to rewatch. I already know the lore now, and my enjoyment of lore and worldbuilding occurs outside of consuming the work. So Daima's main appeal for me isn't even something that will make me excited to rewatch it.

[The Monkey King]

Not sure how you can dislike Daima and prop Broly when the former at least has a semblance of a narrative.

DBS Broly doesn't have hideous, Chibi, bobble-headed, mascot costume character designs front and centre 99% of the time.

Daima can have all the sakuga it wants, I don't care because the character designs of the main cast are eyesores.

Broly doesn't have much of a narrative, that's why it's only 100 minutes long, making it about 5 episodes worth of anime

Meanwhile Daima's garbage pacing and meandering plot does nothing to warrant 20 episodes.

Also my point was referring to how each product were received by the fanbase at large.
Broly was nigh-universally praised meanwhile Daima may go down as the most divisive product in the franchise's history.

[Kaboom]

Maybe........watch it then?

Maybe eventually, but not until it's concluded and I know what I'm getting to the fullest extent possible. After how Super turned out, I know better than to give any new DB material the benefit of the doubt in advance.

[Zephyr]

meanwhile Daima may go down as the most divisive product in the franchise's history.

It's incredibly divisive to be sure, every week we've got extreme positivity and extreme negativity. The most divisive, though? I don't know. I feel like everything after Namek is extremely polarizing. There's a lot of competition for that "most divisive" spot.

[JulieYBM]

I don't think whether something is divisive or not really matters. Everything has merits and everything has things shit to it, that's just how art works. I personally don't see myself sifting through all of Dragon Ball ever again. I still want to take a better look at Super, but I don't really have the free time for that anyway lol

I agree, though, that the Artificial Humans and Majin Buu arcs are also divisive, they just do happen to have the advantage of decisions being made less lightly because Toriyama has to commit to at least writing and drawing the shit chapter-by-chapter.

[Mr Baggins]

There would be no art without controversy and disagreement. Some of my favorite works of fiction are polarizing.

By no means would I view that as a slight on Daima.

[Yuji]

meanwhile Daima may go down as the most divisive product in the franchise's history.

It's incredibly divisive to be sure, every week we've got extreme positivity and extreme negativity. The most divisive, though? I don't know. I feel like everything after Namek is extremely polarizing. There's a lot of competition for that "most divisive" spot.

Regardless of whether or not Cell and Boo are divisive in isolation, I think you'd struggle to find a handful of people who prefer GT or the modern material to them.

[AliTheZombie13]

Regardless of whether or not Cell and Boo are divisive in isolation, I think you'd struggle to find a handful of people who prefer GT or the modern material to them.

*meekly raises hand*
GT? Maybe. Modern material? No.

[Zephyr]

Regardless of whether or not Cell and Boo are divisive in isolation, I think you'd struggle to find a handful of people who prefer GT or the modern material to them.

Okay yeah, that's true. We've got that maybe from Ali (re: GT), and of course the Zamasu guy (re: Super, though jury is still out on how much of that is just him doing a bit). Also know someone on Discord who I'm pretty sure prefers Super to at least the Cell arc.

I genuinely can't think of a single other example I've ever encountered.

[dbs fanboy]

Maybe........watch it then?

Maybe eventually, but not until it's concluded and I know what I'm getting to the fullest extent possible. After how Super turned out, I know better than to give any new DB material the benefit of the doubt in advance.

Fair, if you get disappointed you would only have to do it once instead of each week. And if you like it, you won't have to wait each week.

[SupremeKai25]

and of course the Zamasu guy (re: Super, though jury is still out on how much of that is just him doing a bit)

I have a username, you know.

[BernardoCairo]

Daima is probably the better product, but I'm more attached to Super. I also think Super had better fights, although Daima's animation is, overall, much better. I like Daima's sense of adventure and the way the series explores elements of the Majin Boo saga.
Since the series isn't over yet, I won't rank it. For now, my ranking is like this: Dragon Ball (manga) > OG > Z > Super > GT