Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 18 - Official Discussion Thread

[Noah]

Do you guys think that if we had gotten this instead, it would’ve been HYPE?



Personally, I’d say yeah! Look to the pointy ears! Easy to call it 'Demon Saiyan' or something, and also it’d be easier to accept as a one-time thing, never to be seen in the stories that came after.

Still hate the form, but if they wanted to go full on nostalgia why not make it like this?

Spoiler:

I would still not like it because the lack of bulding, but visually it would be better.

Hot take: the black hair never made sense for this tier of power (meant to be above ssj3), so I'm glad they did something about the hair...

Huh, did you forgot that Ultimate Gohan is above SSJ3 and also has black hair?

[Hulk10]

If the fight goes on, which it probably will, we'll likely see SSJ4 one more time. I doubt we'll see it in Super, though, unless Broly gets it. I don't see Goku using it when he has Ultra Instinct, or Vegeta when he has Blue or Ultra Ego (which I think we'll see in animated form, at some point). Neva might give the power to Vegeta, so he can team up with Goku. But at this point, who knows? It seems like the Third Eye's power is limitless.

Indeed. Though Goku stated at the start of Super that he had never fought anyone stronger than Kid Buu.

We're WAY past that now. lol

True but as some on the wikia would point out, Daima takes place before DBS

[Gaffer Tape]

Do you guys think that if we had gotten this instead, it would’ve been HYPE?

For me personally? I don't know. What would be its story? What would it mean for Goku? How would it affect the narrative? If there are interesting answers to those questions, it might be. But then again, if there were interesting answers to those questions, NuSuper Saiyan 4 would be exciting too. But if we're just talking about swapping out one design for another, then... that would have no impact on how I feel about this. It would still just be "a thing that happened," and I would feel complete ambivalence towards it.

[Saiyan007]

It irritates me that we can't agree to disagree on the subject of SSB vs SSJ4...................

Super Saiyan God let alone blue was always the stronger form than SSJ4, it's just that people took DB heroes nonsensical scaling and their love for ssj4 blinding them into believing their own head canons

[Hulk10]

It irritates me that we can't agree to disagree on the subject of SSB vs SSJ4...................

Super Saiyan God let alone blue was always the stronger form than SSJ4, it's just that people took DB heroes nonsensical scaling and their love for ssj4 blinding them into believing their own head canons

That is your opinion. And somewhat offensive that you believe people are being blinded by things.

[Saiyan007]

That is debatable dude. I have seen nothing that will convince me. Also power levels are a load of bull.

based on how both forms are presented in the show it's not, and to make matters worse Daima is a prequel to super which is another nail in the coffin

The god forms are simply presented as being stronger and that's not me even mentioning the feats.

[Hulk10]

That is debatable dude. I have seen nothing that will convince me. Also power levels are a load of bull.

based on how both forms are presented in the show it's not, and to make matters worse Daima is a prequel to super which is another nail in the coffin

The god forms are simply presented as being stronger and that's not me even mentioning the feats.

Not necessarily. DB Heroes anime presented them as being equal and regardless of how you view the anime, its still valid.

[fadeddreams5]

It irritates me that we can't agree to disagree on the subject of SSB vs SSJ4...................

Super Saiyan God let alone blue was always the stronger form than SSJ4, it's just that people took DB heroes nonsensical scaling and their love for ssj4 blinding them into believing their own head canons

Eh. If we disregard what some guides in the past might have written and go only by context, GT Goku is mind-bogglingly broken. In base alone, able to handle Frieza and Perfect Cell at the same time, and easily beats two grown adult SSJs (Gohan and Goten) at the same time too, all while still a child. So he's SSJ2+ level by default, which BoG Goku is clearly nowhere near. Then, you add the SSJ multipliers. However, as a SSJ3, he could not phase Baby Vegeta at all. Yet, as a SSJ4, he is able to defeat Super Baby Vegeta 2 with no effort. That is a ludicrous leap of power I would easily place at SSJG level. SSJB is more debatable, but it has absolutely no feats of its own.

[Saiyan007]

Eh. If we disregard what some guides in the past might have written and go only by context, GT Goku is mind-bogglingly broken. In base alone, able to handle Frieza and Perfect Cell at the same time, and easily beats two grown adult SSJs (Gohan and Goten) at the same time too, all while still a child. So he's SSJ2+ level by default, which BoG Goku is clearly nowhere near. Then, you add the SSJ multipliers. However, as a SSJ3, he could not phase Baby Vegeta at all. Yet, as a SSJ4, he is able to defeat Super Baby Vegeta 2 with no effort. That is a ludicrous leap of power I would easily place at SSJG level. SSJB is more debatable, but it has absolutely no feats of its own.

again this isn't a comparison between which Goku is stronger I'm only talking about which form is stronger.SSJ4 as shown in Daima and GT is multiple times stronger than ssj3 but to claim the form gives the same boost or bigger than SSJG just isn't true

Super Saiyan god while not at full power had the power to destroy the universe . SSB best feat is being stronger than SSJG which is a feat in itself

[AliTheZombie13]

And SSJ3 was so powerful it could warp the laws of physics. Does it really matter all that much?
The characters are already extremely unbelievably powerful. Any feat after the Boo Saga is stretching incredulity at this point.

[Hulk10]

And SSJ3 was so powerful it could warp the laws of physics. Does it really matter all that much?
The characters are already extremely unbelievably powerful. Any feat after the Boo Saga is stretching incredulity at this point.

SS4 seems like a form that just gains a huge amount of power, the more powerful the user, much like Full Power Unleashed does.

[Saiyan007]

And SSJ3 was so powerful it could warp the laws of physics. Does it really matter all that much?
The characters are already extremely unbelievably powerful. Any feat after the Boo Saga is stretching incredulity at this point.

SSJ3 "never warped Physics" in the manga

edit: unless you're referring to Gotenks who only opened a whole in the hyperbolic time chamber which is a far cry from what SSJG did

[Luso Saiyan]

Toriyama's interpretation when he was in his 60s. Very unlikely that's how he envisioned Bardock when he created the saiyan arc, if we go by Goku's backstory and Raditz's personality. Hell, he even heavily complimented the special at the time.

So...? He, like anyone else, can appreciate something despite having a completely different interpretation of the same character/event/story. Something which he admitted at the time when he made that very compliment. Wether he was in his 30s or 60s is irrelevant to the point.

Irrespective of personal preferences, I can see his artistic take on characters like Bardock and Broly. And I can appreciate them for that. Here, there's nothing.

[Cybersai]

When the dub catches up to these eps, Sean Schemmel might be happy for the last 2 eps...

[fadeddreams5]

Eh. If we disregard what some guides in the past might have written and go only by context, GT Goku is mind-bogglingly broken. In base alone, able to handle Frieza and Perfect Cell at the same time, and easily beats two grown adult SSJs (Gohan and Goten) at the same time too, all while still a child. So he's SSJ2+ level by default, which BoG Goku is clearly nowhere near. Then, you add the SSJ multipliers. However, as a SSJ3, he could not phase Baby Vegeta at all. Yet, as a SSJ4, he is able to defeat Super Baby Vegeta 2 with no effort. That is a ludicrous leap of power I would easily place at SSJG level. SSJB is more debatable, but it has absolutely no feats of its own.

again this isn't a comparison between which Goku is stronger I'm only talking about which form is stronger.SSJ4 as shown in Daima and GT is multiple times stronger than ssj3 but to claim the form gives the same boost or bigger than SSJG just isn't true

Super Saiyan god while not at full power had the power to destroy the universe . SSB best feat is being stronger than SSJG which is a feat in itself

An easy way to debunk this is just by looking at Gohan Beast. He had a few minutes of screen time and beat Cell Max with the help of Piccolo. Ignore Toriyama comparing Cell Max to Broly. Would we assume this form with no feats can grant a boost that allows its user to stalemate or even surpass an experienced Ultra Instinct user?

Super is inconsistent as hell. Nothing matters. Roshi can beat Tien, 17 can be SSJ3-SSJB level by training in a park, Base Goku can have SSJG powers one scene and then not have them the next, or maybe Future Trunks is just SSJG level. None of this shit makes sense.

Impossible to tell how much of a boost SSJ4 grants in comparison to SSJG, which was not depicted the same way in the movie as in the anime, which was inconsistent again, considering no other greater power later on seemed to threaten the universe again.

[Hulk10]

Eh. If we disregard what some guides in the past might have written and go only by context, GT Goku is mind-bogglingly broken. In base alone, able to handle Frieza and Perfect Cell at the same time, and easily beats two grown adult SSJs (Gohan and Goten) at the same time too, all while still a child. So he's SSJ2+ level by default, which BoG Goku is clearly nowhere near. Then, you add the SSJ multipliers. However, as a SSJ3, he could not phase Baby Vegeta at all. Yet, as a SSJ4, he is able to defeat Super Baby Vegeta 2 with no effort. That is a ludicrous leap of power I would easily place at SSJG level. SSJB is more debatable, but it has absolutely no feats of its own.

again this isn't a comparison between which Goku is stronger I'm only talking about which form is stronger.SSJ4 as shown in Daima and GT is multiple times stronger than ssj3 but to claim the form gives the same boost or bigger than SSJG just isn't true

Super Saiyan god while not at full power had the power to destroy the universe . SSB best feat is being stronger than SSJG which is a feat in itself

An easy way to debunk this is just by looking at Gohan Beast. He had a few minutes of screen time and beat Cell Max with the help of Piccolo. Ignore Toriyama comparing Cell Max to Broly. Would we assume this form with no feats can grant a boost that allows its user to stalemate or even surpass an experienced Ultra Instinct user?

Super is inconsistent as hell. Nothing matters. Roshi can beat Tien, 17 can be SSJ3-SSJB level by training in a park, Base Goku can have SSJG powers one scene and then not have them the next, or maybe Future Trunks is just SSJG level. None of this shit makes sense.

Impossible to tell how much of a boost SSJ4 grants in comparison to SSJG, which was not depicted the same way in the movie as in the anime, which was inconsistent again, considering no other greater power later on seemed to threaten the universe again.

But Cell Max wasn't at full power when he was awakened.

[Saiyan007]

I would respond to all that but i feel like it would derail the thread

[Hulk10]

If the fight goes on, which it probably will, we'll likely see SSJ4 one more time. I doubt we'll see it in Super, though, unless Broly gets it. I don't see Goku using it when he has Ultra Instinct, or Vegeta when he has Blue or Ultra Ego (which I think we'll see in animated form, at some point). Neva might give the power to Vegeta, so he can team up with Goku. But at this point, who knows? It seems like the Third Eye's power is limitless.

Indeed. Though Goku stated at the start of Super that he had never fought anyone stronger than Kid Buu.

We're WAY past that now. lol

But does that really make a difference? Does that really prove that this new form of Goku's is stronger than SSG or SSB? A lot of people say no it doesn't.

[QuakingStar]

Nobody gives a fuck about you peoples opinion on SSG and SSB being superior. There is no multiplier nor statements on this form as of yet to begin with, and Goku cannot use it on his own as of yet.

Heroes anime is made by the same people who made DBGT(anime only) and has the original SS4(anime only) which both are not canon same as Heroes. So in the only medium where both forms are actually presented TOGETHER at the same time SS4 = SSB, and SS4LB = UI Sign. We see this with Goku Xeno and Goku CC's final battle. Idk why you people care so much about that.

[Hulk10]

Nobody gives a fuck about you peoples opinion on SSG and SSB being superior. There is no multiplier nor statements on this form as of yet to begin with, and Goku cannot use it on his own as of yet.

Heroes anime is made by the same people who made DBGT(anime only) and has the original SS4(anime only) which both are not canon same as Heroes. So in the only medium where both forms are actually presented TOGETHER at the same time SS4 = SSB, and SS4LB = UI Sign. We see this with Goku Xeno and Goku CC's final battle. Idk why you people care so much about that.

OK..........................