Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 19 - Official Discussion Thread

[nato25]

This was perfection.

I don't think I've ever been so hyped in this franchise in my entire life then watching Goku recreate one of my favourite moments in the series ever in the Buu saga and then me in my head thinking well that's an awesome throwback, but feels a little empty like when Vegeta redid his final explosion move against toppo.

But then he says one more... Chills.

And the art and animation. I've always hated chibi style to be honest, and I'm going to be selfish with my opinion for a minute, how could anyone prefer that look over how absolute god tier this all looked.

[Retan]

Fun episode

Vegeta always gets pretty half ass animation for his fights I’m starting to notice since z ended, even to point Goku’s transformations get better animation lol.

Also laughed hard at bulma being the the only one who can stop Vegeta from fighting and the reason lmao.

[AliTheZombie13]

Went exactly like I thought it would go.

I'm glad Glorio looked back at all those precious moments he spent staring blankly at the camera...
But his character arc really did nothing for me, I'm sorry.

On the other hand, Arinsu feeling hurt that Glorio betrayed her and redeeming herself was a nice twist.
But a lot of this to me comes out of nowhere.

Why does Glorio feel more comfortable betraying her, who supposedly showed some vague kindness to him, rather than all these bunch of nobodies he only spent staring blankly at?

Likewise, Arinsu deciding she'll just go good is... Ehhhhhh...
These interactions were the highlight of the episode for me, but they come fast, and they go, and they're underexplored for the sake of the fighting.

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...Oh yeah, the fighting, the reason why everybody apparently is here.

You know, after the last episode where everybody was getting their asses kicked, I thought maybe the heroes wouldn't treat this fight so lightly? Nah! It really was just a waste of time and they're just fooling around... Because Daima wouldn't be Daima without extremely forced fake tension.

On some positive side, I'm glad they're using their brains for once and thinking of a strategy to finally defeat the enemy.
Don't really care about Adult SSJ3, or Adult SSJ4, or all that hollow crap.

I'm happy for all of you enjoy some nice kicking ass, callbacks and pretty animation, but I was bored throughout the whole thing.

Only one more episode to go, then I can forget this series existed.

[JulieYBM]

I wish that whoever was in charge of deciding if Gokuu and friends would sweep his foes...would just not do that? Gimme the characters actually getting their asses kicked around as kids. Hell, give me a throwaway line about how Vegeta was holding off on Super Saiyan 3 because he knew that he wouldn't last as long in a fight with Gomah if he had used it from the onset. Anything.

The Glorio stuff...just feels undercut. The gang never knew that he was a traitor and there was no drama built up over that. Focusing on Glorio's internal conflict doesn't really work when we don't know the full extent of why he's feeling guilt or what he might actually be fighting for, beyond just serving Arinsu.

I do like that Arinsu is involved in defeating Gomah, though. I hope that she gets to have the Third Eye next and simply doesn't bother to pick a fight with Gokuu and the others Just Because.

[BernardoCairo]

I really liked this episode. Seeing them as adults was a breath of fresh air. Vegeta's fight was cool, and I loved how Gomah used Super Saiyajin 3's long hair to his advantage. It's a 'weakness' of the form we don't think about often. Also, that joke with Bulma saying she wouldn't bathe with him unless he obeyed her was comedy gold.
I also loved the callback to the Majin Buu saga, with Goku introducing his forms one by one. The animation in this episode was sleek and helped a lot. The adult Super Saiyajin 4 looked amazing, and the colors and eyes complemented the design so well. It looks way better than the mini version.
Overall, a pretty positive episode.

Super Saiyajin 3 is already one of Vegeta's best-looking transformations, by the way. Super Saiyajin God, Super Saiyajin, and Super Saiyajin 3 all look amazing on him.

[The Iron Fjord]

Anyone else think that the Super Saiyan 4 reveal would've had much more impact if it was just saved for this episode? I mean.. did we really need the chibi version shown to us first?

Because you can now by TWO SSJ4 Daima Goku figures instead of just one, which just strengthens the idea of the transformations being marketing decisions, and not Toriyama decisions.

[nato25]

This episode confirmed to me that keeping the cast in ugly, chibi kid designs for 98% of the series was one of the worst creative decisions in the history of the franchise. Daima fight scenes are much more enjoyable when the character designs are actually good and the characters look cool.

I agree with both statements. Turning them into kids had no impact on the plot at all, so why do it ? Going to the demon realm to save Dende would've been enough to get the plot going.

100% agree. And they were so inconsistent with how being children affected them that is was just annoying, because here it surprised me what the difference in power was, but gomah's power is also hard to gauge, he doesn't seem that strong and the eye seems to just keep him at start of fight freshness levels. Power scaling is still as messy as ever.

One thing that has never been addressed is that blue headband in the wind in the opening. I always assumed it belonged to glorio and was a loved ones grave. Might be digging too deep but Arinsu seems to have raised glorio like a son after his parents potentially died? Pretty cool thread to just let us speculate on I guess.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Anyone else think that the Super Saiyan 4 reveal would've had much more impact if it was just saved for this episode? I mean.. did we really need the chibi version shown to us first?

Yes. They had one chance to make a first impression, and they blew it...unless the point was to show how bad it looked on kid Goku, then they succeeded.

[nineko]

A nice episode, though they're still acting like idiots. "Oh no, we're all out of stamina, if only adult Dende was here, he could help us restore our powers".

Also, where did the dragon balls go? I assumed they would return to their respective tamagamis, but they didn't. I wonder how long their cooldown period is?

And yeah, not saying "Super Saiya-jin Four" out loud (at least for a week) is a whole new level of trolling.

Minor detail about the transformations from 2 to 3: at a certain point mid-transformation, both Goku and Vegeta already had long hair, but they still retained their eyebrows, I'd have to check the previous instances in Z and in Super, but I think this is the first time we get to peek into this transitional state (which is much more common in transformations from base to 1, which are often depicted with black hair and blue eyes, or blonde hair and black eyes).

[AliTheZombie13]

Now that you guys mentioned, yeah.
"lol Super is not canon anymore, jokes on you guys who obsess about canon, ha ha!"

I'm tired, whether this is linked to Super or not, I just don't care anymore.
Even if they pull some random bullshit like "Everybody got their memories wiped" or "They never used these again because reasons."

[Yuji]

I am just not a fan of including SS4 in this story. Why is it here? What's the significance of this form for Goku? Gomah? For the Demon Realm? Neva? It feels just like another number, and Gomah doesn't even seem that absurdly strong that a new transformation felt mandatory.

I don't like GT. But there's a reason people like SS4. It's a transformation that calls back to the Saiyan origins of the protagonist in an arc based around the sins of the Saiyans. It's a transformation achieved by recovering a piece of his anatomy he had lost, and fusing two forms together - it makes both sense why this form was never achieved before, and why it can be achieved now. It's also achieved after Goku recovers his reason from the Oozaru feral mind out of love for his granddaughter, in a nice parallel to him killing his own grandpa accidentally in the same mindless state as a child. It is a powerful form because of all the thematic weight and narrative significance the form has.

This is just there. It feels like cynical Heroes marketing. There's nothing about this form that feels coherent with this story.

[BernardoCairo]

Yes. They had one chance to make a first impression, and they blew it...unless the point was to show how bad it looked on kid Goku, then they succeeded.

I don’t think kid Goku Super Saiyajin 4 was necessarily a waste, as it allowed this episode to focus more on the characters returning to being adults. Trying to fit it all into one episode would’ve been too convoluted.

[t0ffe3m4n]

If I had a nitpick about this Super Saiyan 4 design - it's the forearms/hands.

I get that it makes him seem more 'ape-like' but doesn't all the fur & the tail already serve that purpose?

[Soba Mask]

Give me SSJ4 Vegeta next week.

But still the show can't be canon to the super timeline

[ZombieVito]

How the fuck are they going to explain Goku not using SS4 now?

[fadeddreams5]

Anyone else think that the Super Saiyan 4 reveal would've had much more impact if it was just saved for this episode? I mean.. did we really need the chibi version shown to us first?

I actually came here just now to write exactly this. This would have been such a crazy plot twist and would have gone as viral as ultra instinct.

[BernardoCairo]

I don't like GT. But there's a reason people like SS4.

I'm afraid most people like it just because it looks cool. I get what you're saying, it makes more thematic sense for it to appear in the Baby Arc than here. But honestly, GT's writing isn't anything special, to say the least.
They're trying to market this to people who just think the form looks cool and that's about it.

[AliTheZombie13]

I have a question, because I totally didn't notice it:
ARE THE FUSION BUGS GOING TO PLAY A PART IN THIS OR NOT???

Or were they just yet another "Look at this cool thing the Demon Realm has" that's been dumped on us and doesn't actually matter to the story?

[t0ffe3m4n]

I have a question, because I totally didn't notice it:
ARE THE FUSION BUGS GOING TO PLAY A PART IN THIS OR NOT???

Or were they just yet another "Look at this cool thing the Demon Realm has" that's been dumped on us and doesn't actually matter to the story?

At this point you'd imagine it'd have to be a very quick one-and-done thing in this last episode because we only have approximately 24 minutes of this series to go and they still need to wrap things up..

[AliTheZombie13]

At this point you'd imagine it'd have to be a very quick one-and-done thing in this last episode because we only have approximately 24 minutes of this series to go and they still need to wrap things up..

I'm getting Tenshinhan Mafuba flashbacks...