Dragon Ball Daima Strength Discussion Thread

[Yuji]

It is absolutely jarring how weak the bad guys were, though. Weren’t the Tamagamis supposed to be stronger than Dabra?

I guess the only way you can make sense of it is that they were stronger than pre-Majin Dabra, which I guess tracks. If the Majin Doo vs SS Goku fight is to be taken seriously, all the Tamagamis are relative to SS Goku (Mini), who's way weaker than adult SS Goku.

So, Majin Dabra = Cell > SS Adults > SS Mini >/= Tamagami > Dabra

[Xeogran]

So, Majin Dabra = Cell > SS Adults > SS Mini > Tamagami > Dabra

Thanks for bringing Cell into this, felt he was getting disrespected lately with some people thinking the Tamagamis could defeat him. Well well well!

[Issei189]

So Gomah that was stronger than SS4 Kid Goku was at best Final Form Namek Freeza tier since Base Vegeta held his own. SS Vegeta was stronger than Gomah. SS3 Vegeta was massively stronger than him Gomah until Gomah powers up again after Vegeta's final flash. Currently Gomah seems to be just Buu saga SS3 tier

So Tamagamis, Duu and Kuu are all much weaker than Adult SS Goku and Vegeta

[ZombieVito]

So Freeza > Base BoG Goku can still be true.

Just say Shin was affected way more from the wish and done.

[BernardoCairo]

So Freeza > Base BoG Goku can still be true.

This could never be true. There's no way base Goku is weaker than Shin, who said he could one-shot Freeza.

[Saiyan007]

People thinking base saiyans are still weaker than Freeza

Wasn’t glorio stated to be stronger than Shin who Goku could fight with 1 arm and base Goku could fight majin duu

And this is after the revelation the wish probably made them hundreds of times weaker

[ZombieVito]

So Freeza > Base BoG Goku can still be true.

This could never be true. There's no way base Goku is weaker than Shin, who said he could one-shot Freeza.

Mini base Goku was stronger than mini Shin.

[Hugo Boss]

Episode #19 does suggest that Goku and Vegeta got stronger than their kid forms once they returned to normal, but I’m not convinced the gap is that massive. The way the Third-Eye works, it seems like Gomah adapts to whatever power level he’s facing, making him essentially invincible no matter how strong his opponent is or how many there are. So while SS3 Vegeta was initially much stronger than Gomah, the fact that Gomah kept up after the Final Flash suggests his power scales dynamically rather than being a fixed tier. If anything, his adaptability makes it hard to quantify his true power.

[Cybersai]

I think the third eye just keeps him at "full health" no matter how much damage he takes. It does seem that SSJ3 does do a tremendous amount of damage to him, even Goku did as a kid. So placing him around high Super Saiyan 3 level probably fits. He may actually be weaker than Super Buu.

[ZombieVito]

Man, Dabura really was weak shit before the Majin power up lol.

I think the third eye just keeps him at "full health" no matter how much damage he takes. It does seem that SSJ3 does do a tremendous amount of damage to him, even Goku did as a kid. So placing him around high Super Saiyan 3 level probably fits. He may actually be weaker than Super Buu.

Yeah, it's only noted that his stamina doesn't decrease. He doesn't get more powerful after going giant.

[DBZ Macky]

One could take the Base Saiyans' feats at face value and say that Base Vegeta > SS4 Mini Goku, but I'd go a step further.

I think the Base Saiyans are at least SSB level, ergo, they are at least 4-Dimensional. This is because it seems that the base forms are better than any other form at wasting time, making them stronger than time, therefore, 4-D.

This also explains why Base Goku was able to make Hit bleed and put up a fight against Ikari Broly despite the latter handily defeating SSG Vegeta just moments before.

Jokes apart, I don't know how to feel about this. If we assume that Base Geets really is stronger than Mini SS3 Goku, and he's still weaker than 100% Freeza, then:

SS3 Mini Goku < 120,000,000
SS2 Mini Goku < 30,000,000
SS Mini Goku < 15,000,000
Base Mini Goku < 300,000

I guess it doesn't seem too wrong to put everyone in the Demon Realm between those numbers. Everyone would be stronger than Ginyu but weaker than Freeza which seems alright.

[Saiyan007]

Goku took on someone stronger than Supreme Kai who would 1 shot Freeza with 1 arm while being heavily nerfed

Stop trying to fit base Saiyan to be weaker than Freeza narrative because the feats say otherwise

[ZombieVito]

Glorio is stronger than Shin of course. Mini Shin that is.

[Hugo Boss]

I don’t think the Third-Eye is just keeping Gomah at full health/stamina. If it were just a stamina hack, he wouldn’t have struggled against Vegeta in Base, SS1, and SS3 before adapting each time. The fact that Gomah recovered from Vegeta’s Final Flash and then moved too fast for him to react suggests he wasn’t just tanking hits, he was outright surpassing Vegeta as the fight went on. Vegeta was only starting to lose steam, which reinforces the idea that Gomah wasn’t going all out at first. This actually happened so much during their fight that some people are even wondering if Base Adult Vegeta is stronger than SS4 Kid Goku, which is obviously absurd.

[Saiyan007]

Glorio is stronger than Shin of course. Mini Shin that is.

Goku's statement was referring to Supreme Kai in general he didn't say you are stronger than Supreme kai as he is right now

edit:

Vegeta was only starting to lose steam, which reinforces the idea that Gomah wasn’t going all out at first. This actually happened so much during their fight that some people are even wondering if Base Adult Vegeta is stronger than SS4 Kid Goku, which is obviously absurd.

But we literally see Base Vegeta with a performance similar to ssj4 kid Goku he hit him with a blast in base so hard he was coughing up spit and just as a SSJ alone sent him flying with a kick

[Mr Baggins]

Hugo Boss is correct. The Tertian Oculus isn't just HP restoration, it's a straight power-up every time Gomah's on the losing end. This has consistently happened since he obtained it.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

But guys, Kaioshin was weaker than Dabra even before the Majin power up. If the kid nerf is so big that even base adults > SSJ(3?4?) kids, then we end up with Freeza > Pre Majin Dabra > Shin…

[Sora Saiyan]

The level of power portrayed by Base Vegeta was ridiculous, and it wasn't the usual Toei fluff where the characters cycle through their forms after incredibly brief skirmishes, but instead it was a prolonged battle where he was legitimately Gomahs equal. This is also Vegeta who was still weakened due to the damage he received in his child body, as confirmed by Piccolo.

This showing also all but confirmed that Buu would've been able to destroy everybody in the demon realm incredibly easily, most likely including the Megaths. Not to mention how he's also a hard counter to the Tertian oculus, as he never fatigues either.

Gomah's power jumps don't seem as absurd this episode, and now he only managed to catch up to SSJ3 Vegeta due to Vegeta becoming extremely fatigued. Even after Vegeta reverts Gomah still can't handle him all that well.
The next episode will be the decider of the Tertian oculus' power increases, as this episode appears to have given us a clear indication that's it's near its limits in that regard as even after recovering and adapting(?)against SSJ3 Vegeta, he still isn't much stronger than base Vegeta.

[Hugo Boss]

Gomah’s initial struggles could just be him underestimating Vegeta. If his Third-Eye adapts him to his opponent, it makes sense that he wouldn’t instantly adjust to Vegeta’s power jumps. He probably assumed Vegeta wasn’t that much stronger and miscalculated. But once he recovered from SS3 Vegeta’s Final Flash, he moved so fast that Vegeta couldn’t react. That wouldn’t happen if Base Vegeta were anywhere close to SS4 Kid Goku. It just reinforces the idea that Gomah’s power isn’t static, it fluctuates depending on who he’s fighting and how much effort he’s putting in.

[ZombieVito]

But guys, Kaioshin was weaker than Dabra even before the Majin power up. If the kid nerf is so big that even base adults > SSJ(3?4?) kids, then we end up with Freeza > Pre Majin Dabra > Shin…

I would need to watch it again but I only saw SS3 Vegeta being stronger than SS4 Mini Goku. His base/SS fight can just be another base/SS Goku vs Broly scenario.