Will Vegeta get SSJ4

[Vegeta th3 4th]

They seem to be promoting his SSJ3 pretty heavily so that is just his big new"step in this. There also doesn't seem to be enough time left.

I like how people expect to see Ssj4 Goku get proper screen time, Ssj4 Vegeta to be introduced, Goku and Vegeta to fuse and continue fighting, a proper resolution to all the remaining plot threads, the cast return to earth and be reunited with their families, and maybe something that ties this into Super...all in 20 minutes.

I expect 15 minutes will go to Goku (& Piccolo) and Gomah's fight, 3 minutes to deciding who's the next king of the demon realm, and the final 2 minutes of everyone being reunited on earth.

[Yuji]

They seem to be promoting his SSJ3 pretty heavily so that is just his big new"step in this. There also doesn't seem to be enough time left.

I like how people expect to see Ssj4 Goku get proper screen time, Ssj4 Vegeta to be introduced, Goku and Vegeta to fuse and continue fighting, a proper resolution to all the remaining plot threads, the cast return to earth and be reunited with their families, and maybe something that ties this into Super...all in 20 minutes.

I expect 15 minutes will go to Goku (& Piccolo) and Gomah's fight, 3 minutes to deciding who's the next king of the demon realm, and the final 2 minutes of everyone being reunited on earth.

I expect the actual fight to be resolved in the first half, and then the clean-up after the commercial break.

[Basaku]

True. In Dragon Ball Super, they're meant to be equals. It's part of the show's overall theme. But I don't think we necessarily need that in every DB project.

We don't, but neither we need the constant Goku focus when he hasn't evolved or had a character arc at all in 30 years.

At the same time, I'm hardly surprised by these reactions from Vegeta fans. Can't really make him the de facto co-lead for 10 years and then suddenly try to switch it back to "1 step behind Goku" again.

The point being that the series really needs to move on from both of them as prime screentime and action leads.

[BernardoCairo]

The point being that the series really needs to move on from both of them as prime screentime and action leads.

I don't fully agree, because while projects like Super Hero were enjoyable, I view Dragon Ball as Goku's story. I believe the writers could do more with both him and Vegeta if they chose to. I do see your point, though.
By the way, aside from Goku achieving Super Saiyajin 4 alone, I think Vegeta still maintained his role as a co-protagonist in Daima. I wasn't expecting that, but honestly, I can't think of any character, aside from Goku himself, who had a bigger impact on the story than him.

[Basaku]

I don't fully agree, because while projects like Super Hero were enjoyable, I view Dragon Ball as Goku's story. I believe the writers could do more with both him and Vegeta if they chose to. I do see your point, though.

I get the angle of seeing it all as "Goku's story", in a similar way how some people really maintain the outlook of Star Wars being "Luke's story", but I just don't really think it reflects the reality precisely because of Gohan happening already in Z. From every narrative and even visual POV, the franchise already changed from "Goku's story" into another character's story/arc/journey already in Cell saga and the start or Buu. The transition was completed, even if Toriyama then made a u-turn.

That and the ever expanding universe, lore and worldbuilding (evenmoreso in Super and Daima) only emphasized it more to me how much bigger this franchise/universe is than just Goku. Hard for me to see it again as inherently tied to his character because of that and the fact that his developement and journey ended in Cell saga, or Buu+EOZ at most. Super and Daima kinda proved that Toriyama and Toyo had nothing else to add about him specifically. So... is there a purpouse of keeping him in the main steat for the sake of it?

By the way, aside from Goku achieving Super Saiyajin 4 alone, I think Vegeta still maintained his role as a co-protagonist in Daima. I wasn't expecting that, but honestly, I can't think of any character, aside from Goku himself, who had a bigger impact on the story than him.

for sure, he's still almost the second lead screentime and fighting-wise and you can literally tell how they tried to appease/plactate Vegeta fans with that overlong fight in ep 19, but at the same time - everyone knows that in a fighting series like this, the big wins and transformations is the ultimate stamp of a lead status so Vegeta not getting SSJ4 won't sit well with his fans after they got accustomed to the equal treatement of exclusive Ego as a counterpart to Instinct or SSB debuting in the same movie as Goku's.

[BernardoCairo]

From every narrative and even visual POV, the franchise already changed from "Goku's story" into another character's story/arc/journey already in Cell saga and the start or Buu.

I would argue that although Gohan ultimately took down Cell, Goku remained the protagonist during the Androids Saga. The story focuses more on the group as a whole rather than just one person, but Goku is still at the heart of everything. He is the one who pushes Gohan to reach his potential, comes up with the idea of going beyond Super Saiyajin, and even sets up the plan for his son to defeat Cell. Plus, he is directly tied to the villains since the Androids were literally created to kill him and Cell is like a twisted version of Goku himself. Gohan, on the other hand, was more of a reactionary character.
The story was definitely setting Gohan up to take over but that really only happened for a short time in the Majin Boo arc. In the end everything comes back to Goku as he is the one who takes down the final villain, relying on the bonds he has built and the people he has helped along the way.

Super and Daima kinda proved that Toriyama and Toyo had nothing else to add about him specifically.

I think they could if they wanted to. We already see the world through Goku's eyes anyway. They’ve also tried new things with him, like mastering Ultra Instinct while staying true to his path. That said, I'm all for new stories with other characters. I really enjoyed the Goten and Trunks chapters in the manga.