Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

[Vegeta th3 4th]

How can you say that something is factually better or worse?

There are certain criteria that need to be met in order for something to be considered good. If we're talking about steak, a raw steak with no seasoning is going to be factually bad, there's no scenario where anyone says that's just an opinion. In the case of anime, consistent writing and production are what's expected for a show to be good, both of which Super completely lacked.

[sangofe]

How can you say that something is factually better or worse?

There are certain criteria that need to be met in order for something to be considered good. If we're talking about steak, a raw steak with no seasoning is going to be factually bad, there's no scenario where anyone says that's just an opinion. In the case of anime, consistent writing and production are what's expected for a show to be good, both of which Super completely lacked.

I stil don't think you can say it's factually better or worse. In the Philippines they like their steak over cooked to the point its burned. My point is that it's subjective when it comes to these things. Sure, more people will have opinions about something but it's still not factually better or worse. Anything that's put judgement on isn't I daresay.

[SupremeKai25]

How can you say that something is factually better or worse?

There are certain criteria that need to be met in order for something to be considered good. If we're talking about steak, a raw steak with no seasoning is going to be factually bad, there's no scenario where anyone says that's just an opinion. In the case of anime, consistent writing and production are what's expected for a show to be good, both of which Super completely lacked.

Sounds like you just made up a bunch of arbitrary rules.

Nothing is "factually good". What you find good (consistent animation) might be irrelevant to someone else. I consider voice acting and OST to be deal-breakers, which is why I cannot stomach another rewatch of that outdated 30 years old series dubbed.

I don't expect "consistent writing and production" from a "good" show, because those are not elements I require to get enjoyment out of a show and thus see it as "good".

It's so funny how you talk about these ""criteria"" like it's some holy textbook and not just your opinion.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

I don' expect "consistent writing and production" from a "good" show, because those are not elements I require to get enjoyment out of a show.

There's no shame in admitting you like a bad show; you don't have to pretend it's good to justify enjoyment you find in it.

[SupremeKai25]

I don' expect "consistent writing and production" from a "good" show, because those are not elements I require to get enjoyment out of a show.

There's no shame in admitting you like a bad show.

There's no shame in being humble and admitting that "good" or "bad" is subjective, and that you don't hold any universal truth or """criteria""" that I should adhere by.

[super michael]

You don't get to tell me what I should prefer and what I should find better. I think that Super is better than the original DB.

You can prefer what you want; I'm just informing you that it's factually an inferior product to the original Dragon Ball. A lot of people like things that aren't as good as others (including myself), there's nothing wrong with it as long as you acknowledge the facts.

Not that I prefer Super but how can you say that something is factually better or worse?

It is a fact that in DBS they didn't care about the characters growth, maturity, knowledge, experience and skills that they had in DB/DBZ. They would regress and make the characters in DBS worse than in DB/DBZ for no reason.

Character writing was just terrible in DBS, while in DB/DBZ it was way better. GT was written better than DBS, when it comes to how the characters were written.

Daima characters are written better than DBS.


DBS is the weakest link when it comes to character writing. They messed up multiple characters, since they normally go overboard in bad writing.
Goku is the main character, yet they turn him into a clown.

[Muffin Man]

What bothered me most about Super was that the stories were mostly...static. Aside from the Zamasu arc (which was only 20 episodes out of 131), the arcs don't involve characters going around to different settings and initiating new plot developments that lead to various twists and turns and such. In the Beerus Arc, Beerus just shows up at the party and makes everyone anxious until he gets mad and starts fighting everyone and it's just a big brawl to the end. In the Freeza 2.0 arc, Freeza and his minions just show up and start fighting everyone and it's just a big brawl to the end. In the Universe 6 tournament arc is just a tournament where everyone fights each other one by one in an arena. And in the Tournament of Power arc it's just a battle royale where everyone fights each other all at once in a giant arena. There's just not much in the way of dynamic plot threads happening in any of these arcs.

Funnily enough the manga arcs sound like they have alleviated that problem drastically. But they never got animated, so oh well.

(Of course even if those arcs got animated they'd likely still have Super's animation, which is just way to janky for me, I'd rather keep following the Daima model of having 20 episode seasons every two years with actually good looking animation)

[Vegeta th3 4th]

What bothered me most about Super was that the stories were mostly...static.

The stories themselves were generic, the locations were dull and lifeless, and the characters all regressed. It was a really disappointing way to bring the series back after being off the air for nearly 20 years.

[smiley]

I don't know which was "better", because I don't know how you determine that, I can only speak what I personally liked.

And here's how it is. | like Super the most. The anime more than the manga. Unlike a lot of people, I actually felt the manga was lazy and rushed compared to the anime, for the most part (the exception are the manga-only arcs, which were good). Multiple times throughout Super, I felt tremendous joy and found myself thinking: "I love this series!" The humor (this is a big one), the action, the portrayal of Goku (my favorite out of any other Dragon Ball series), the story, I thought it was all highly entertaining and well-done.

I liked Super so much that I thought to myself, maybe it's not Super, maybe I just enjoy anything Dragonball-related? So I decided to watch GT for the first time in my life. And I just finished it a week ago. I approached it with a completely open mind. I liked the concepts that I had heard about - Goku being a kid and going and a grand adventure to search for Dragon Balls in space, I thought that I would like it. But I didn't. I'm not saying it was objectively bad. I just personally found it very boring for almost the entire ride. The worst was, of course, the Black Star Dragon Ball arc. That one was literally unwatchable, there were episodes that left my feeling dead and empty inside. The only thing that kept me going was the promise that it would get better. And it does get better, but not by that much. Baby arc is the only part that I can probably say I somewhat liked.

Daima, I don't have much to say here. I thought it was pretty fun, better than GT, but nothing groundbreaking.

[super michael]

I don't know which was "better", because I don't know how you determine that, I can only speak what I personally liked.

And here's how it is. | like Super the most. The anime more than the manga. Unlike a lot of people, I actually felt the manga was lazy and rushed compared to the anime, for the most part (the exception are the manga-only arcs, which were good). Multiple times throughout Super, I felt tremendous joy and found myself thinking: "I love this series!" The humor (this is a big one), the action, the portrayal of Goku (my favorite out of any other Dragon Ball series), the story, I thought it was all highly entertaining and well-done.

I liked Super so much that I thought to myself, maybe it's not Super, maybe I just enjoy anything Dragonball-related? So I decided to watch GT for the first time in my life. And I just finished it a week ago. I approached it with a completely open mind. I liked the concepts that I had heard about - Goku being a kid and going and a grand adventure to search for Dragon Balls in space, I thought that I would like it. But I didn't. I'm not saying it was objectively bad. I just personally found it very boring for almost the entire ride. The worst was, of course, the Black Star Dragon Ball arc. That one was literally unwatchable, there were episodes that left my feeling dead and empty inside. The only thing that kept me going was the promise that it would get better. And it does get better, but not by that much. Baby arc is the only part that I can probably say I somewhat liked.

Daima, I don't have much to say here. I thought it was pretty fun, better than GT, but nothing groundbreaking.

Did you enjoy Goku dumb actions and words in DBS? If you like it, then that is all that matters. The most aspect is enjoying it.

[GurixDr34]

I like all of Dragon Ball the Original Show Z GT Super Daima and Heroes but i personally like GT as a Sequel more i like that GT presents a definitive closure to the franchise i like that Goku is more paternal and that he shares moments with his granddaughter Pan but i also like Super and seeing the adventures of Goku and Vegeta expanding perhaps forever Glorio and Panzy reminded me of GT Trunks and Pan Daima also reminded me of the tone of the original Dragon Ball i really enjoyed it for now i think that Daima is a Prequel of Super and that both are connected

[FiReFTW]

How can you even put Daima in the discussion? Thats just completely wrong lol

I can see the argument for GT or Super, but Daima? Like seriously?

Even if you are the biggest fan of Daima and LOVE the series ( I actually enjoyed it a fair bit )... you can't POSSIBLY even consider it as a sequel to anything, it has 20 episodes and 1 mini arc, THATS IT lol.

At best its a mini series.

[JulieYBM]

How can you even put Daima in the discussion? Thats just completely wrong lol

I can see the argument for GT or Super, but Daima? Like seriously?

Even if you are the biggest fan of Daima and LOVE the series ( I actually enjoyed it a fair bit )... you can't POSSIBLY even consider it as a sequel to anything, it has 20 episodes and 1 mini arc, THATS IT lol.

At best its a mini series.

You can do a lot in just 20 episodes. Look at any anime of similar length and it'd undoubtedly be better than a 100+ episode series, let alone a 291 episode series.

[MasenkoHA]

How can you even put Daima in the discussion? Thats just completely wrong lol

I can see the argument for GT or Super, but Daima? Like seriously?

Even if you are the biggest fan of Daima and LOVE the series ( I actually enjoyed it a fair bit )... you can't POSSIBLY even consider it as a sequel to anything, it has 20 episodes and 1 mini arc, THATS IT lol.

At best its a mini series.

There's no actual rule for how long a series needs to be to be considered a sequel though, that isn't a thing.

The OP asked what the best sequel was. They didn't ask, "what was the best sequel to at least be x amount of episodes long?"

I also agree with Julie that a lot of better shows have done great with the same amount of episodes or less. Was not the common criticism of Super is how it wasted time with its 2 retelling arcs and dragging out the ToP?

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

GT minus the Super 17 Saga was better in my opinion.

[fadeddreams5]

How can you even put Daima in the discussion? Thats just completely wrong lol

I can see the argument for GT or Super, but Daima? Like seriously?

Even if you are the biggest fan of Daima and LOVE the series ( I actually enjoyed it a fair bit )... you can't POSSIBLY even consider it as a sequel to anything, it has 20 episodes and 1 mini arc, THATS IT lol.

At best its a mini series.

It has an argument. It takes place after the Buu saga, so it is a sequel (technically, midquel). Its animation is far better than Super's until the ToP arc, and unlike GT, it actually has memorable battles and better original characters.

Me personally, I think all three suck for different reasons. Daima feels like a show for little kids until the final 2 episodes and has terrible pacing for a 20 episode series. Super has horrible animation until the very last arc, as well as power scaling problems that genuinely piss me off. GT is just... boring... so effing boring. At least the other two are enjoyable when you shut off your brain.

If you put a gun to my head, Super > Daima > GT.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

How can you even put Daima in the discussion? Thats just completely wrong lol. it has 20 episodes and 1 mini arc, THATS IT lol.

I'll take quality over quantity any day.

[kemuri07]

How can you even put Daima in the discussion? Thats just completely wrong lol. it has 20 episodes and 1 mini arc, THATS IT lol.

I'll take quality over quantity any day.

My man.

[SupremeKai25]

How can you even put Daima in the discussion? Thats just completely wrong lol. it has 20 episodes and 1 mini arc, THATS IT lol.

I'll take quality over quantity any day.

My man.

Since quality > quantity, it doesn't matter if Super had 3/5 arcs with bad art and animation and 90% of the ToP arc was boring fights that felt like filler, yes?

Because the Future Trunks saga (21 episodes) and the major fights of the ToP (Goku vs. Jiren round 1, Goku vs. Kefla, Vegeta vs. Toppo, Goku vs. Jiren round 2, everyone vs. Jiren) were genuinely entertaining and spectacular.

By the way, I would unironically make this argument. In fact, I've probably made this argument in the past.

I'm just wondering if there's anyone else who agrees with me that quality > quantity, so DBS is the best "sequel" simply because of the Future Trunks saga and those stellar fights in the ToP. I am willing to overlook the quantity of ugly and boring episodes for the high quality of a few peak episodes.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

The Future Trunks saga and the major fights of the ToP were genuinely entertaining and spectacular.

No they weren't. Both arcs had some of the worst writing this franchise has ever produced.