Did toriyama passing changed latter half of Daima?

[supershonen]

Will we ever get to know how much of daima was pre and post tori passing away?

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

Not as long as it's fresh; maybe in a decade or two someone will state something about what really took place behind the scenes.
But knowing what Toriyama gave us between Battle of Gods to 2024 when DBS' Manga Chapter 103 came out, it's likely that the flawed product we got is his doing.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Knowing what Toriyama gave us between Battle of Gods to 2024 when DBS' Manga Chapter 103 came out, it's likely that the flawed product we got is his doing.

Daima's scripts and the overall outline were completed before his passing, so what we got was basically his final draft of the story.

[PhantomSaiyan]

I agree with the others saying that he most likely completed the entire draft for the story BUT, I was also wondering if the finale was 100% Toriyama or not based on how disjointed it felt. Neva unlocking ssj4 then goku saying he had it all along do feel like they weren't part of the same story outline.

We know for sure that Akio Yoku had an influence, ssj4 is in daima most likely because he wanted to include it, not toriyama. We also have to consider that there's multiple writers for this show, directors, so while we know the story draft was done by Toriyama (even though it was an already existing project before he came on), we don't exactly know how much, 80%? 95%?70%? And how much of it is reflected in the story? Clearly a lot of it, but the exact number is unsure.

Another important element: this show's story still wasn't finished by the time production started. According to Akio's interviews, the style for storywriting resembled the weekly manga formula (this also explains a lot about the pacing of the show) so who knows, maybe there is a chance that toriyama worked on 99% of it but didn't make it to the very final episode. But who knows really, for normal shows the story is all already written in advance so this is a bit of a unique case

[FinalForumPodcast]

I don't think we'll ever COMPLETELY know, but kneejerk is "Nah, not really"

Not in the way most people are THINKING.

It's not like Suddenly there were NO scripts or stories or anything. It takes too long to complete a show for that to have happened.

But, we also have learned more and more that Toriyama's health was not great in the lead-up to his passing, and he had confided in close friends that he was ailing and was undergoing surgery, so it's entirely possible that he as a human being ran out of steam a little bit and found working on the final episodes more taxing than at the start....we'll never know that though.

I agree with the others saying that he most likely completed the entire draft for the story BUT, I was also wondering if the finale was 100% Toriyama or not based on how disjointed it felt...We know for sure that Akio Yoku had an influence, ssj4 is in daima most likely because he wanted to include it, not toriyama. We also have to consider that there's multiple writers for this show, directors, so while we know the story draft was done by Toriyama (even though it was an already existing project before he came on), we don't exactly know how much...Another important element: this show's story still wasn't finished by the time production started.

Also all of this.

Especially the bit about the story not being finished when production started. That's a general red flag. It helps explain a lot of Daima's pacing issues, and though nobody from Toei will ever admit to anything, there were a BUNCH of times that I and others (listen to any podcast covering Daima, watch any YouTube video, read these threads) said: "For something supposedly from the mind of Toriyama, [this part] didn't feel like Toriyama"...knowing the story wasn't finished as they were producing the show feels like it helps to explain that "Ah. This part was done by the team before they had Toriyama's story/script. It didn't CLASH with anything he wrote, so they left it in, but it doesn't feel like TORIYAMA."


Who knows if we'll ever know ANY of this stuff in any more clarity than we currently do though? General audiences still don't know that Gareth Edwards was shoved to the background of making Rogue One in its final weeks and Tony Gilroy rewrote and reworked the script in some last-minute rewrites and was extensively involved in the reshoots....
...AND on top of that (in parallel with Daima) everyone officially involved in the movie refuses to admit to anything explicitly. Probably because there are NDAs in place for now.

[Mr Baggins]

Another important element: this show's story still wasn't finished by the time production started.

I think this is being overblown, actually.

It's crucial that we remember Daima started production quite a while before Toriyama's death. All this means is that they were still writing later parts of the show, maybe even the final parts, when they decided to start animating the beginning. I don't see it as some "red flag" or an indication of "pacing issues" that I still don't think Daima even had for the most part, but rather an admission that they wanted to go ahead and start working on it before they wrapped up those last bits of screenplay.

That's not to say they couldn't have jumped the gun on some elements, though. The fusion bug is the first thing that comes to mind here because it was mentioned in an early episode and never brought up again. So perhaps it's an indication of occasional unfired chekhov's guns left on the cutting room floor, if anything.

[supershonen]

yeah i think story was finished way before toriyama passed and i think even if toriyama left midway the staff and people involved are talented enough to save the grace.