The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TobyS]

New matches:

- Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta (Daima) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Goku (BoG arc)

- Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Daima) vs. Super Boo (Gohan absorbed)

I have them exactly the same. Goku wins since he has had SS3 for longer I guess.

It is implied that SS4 is 10 times SS3 so Goku wins very easily.

Goku, nothing said Vegeta surpassed him in Daima and he'd get a little stronger by BoG too.

SS3 Goku was equal to SS1 Gotenks Pre.
base Super Boo was equal to SS3 Gotenks.
So Super Boo/Gotenks were over 8x stronger than that Goku in the Boo saga.
Gohan was far stronger than Super Boo and now Super Boo has him, plus Piccolo, Goten and Trunks.
Base Goku was still between his Freeza arc power without Kaioken and like 80% of Freeza tops so hasn't improved that much by BOG.

Goku's like at most equal to SS3 Gotenks now if it's 10x (and the boys solo improvement wasn't that great), he's not taking the guy who owned a fighter of that power with little effort plus that same fighter with the regen such.

He could beat Kid Boo and OG Fat Boo easily though.

[ZombieVito]

Goku, nothing said Vegeta surpassed him in Daima and he'd get a little stronger by BoG too.

SS3 Goku was equal to SS1 Gotenks Pre.
base Super Boo was equal to SS3 Gotenks.
So Super Boo/Gotenks were over 8x stronger than that Goku in the Boo saga.
Gohan was far stronger than Super Boo and now Super Boo has him, plus Piccolo, Goten and Trunks.
Base Goku was still between his Freeza arc power without Kaioken and like 80% of Freeza tops so hasn't improved that much by BOG.

Goku's like at most equal to SS3 Gotenks now if it's 10x (and the boys solo improvement wasn't that great), he's not taking the guy who owned a fighter of that power with little effort plus that same fighter with the regen such.

He could beat Kid Boo and OG Fat Boo easily though.

In both the Tarble and BoG arcs Goku is depicted as a farmer and hasn't been training. The DBS anime going as far as showing Goku and Vegeta to just start to train again at the beginning of the show. So unless the contrary is shown in a future work, both peaked in Daima.

Unless you have South Kaioshin massively stronger than Kid Boo then Super Boo and SS3 Gotenks aren't even twice as strong as SS3 Goku. Also, no, Gotenks prior to his RoSaT training was inferior to Vegeta as confirmed by the Daizenshuu books.

[Hugo Boss]

Super Boo is formed from Fat Boo after expelling the Good Boo, meaning he’s essentially the sum of Fat Boo’s raw power (which was already below SS3 Goku) and the evil essence that took control. That definitely makes him stronger than SS3 Goku, but not that much stronger.

SS3 Gotenks, meanwhile, was struggling to fully dominate Super Boo, suggesting they were in the same general tier rather than being overwhelmingly stronger. Given that, the idea that Gotenks is 8x stronger than SS3 Goku seems like a massive overestimation.

[TobyS]

Goku, nothing said Vegeta surpassed him in Daima and he'd get a little stronger by BoG too.

SS3 Goku was equal to SS1 Gotenks Pre.
base Super Boo was equal to SS3 Gotenks.
So Super Boo/Gotenks were over 8x stronger than that Goku in the Boo saga.
Gohan was far stronger than Super Boo and now Super Boo has him, plus Piccolo, Goten and Trunks.
Base Goku was still between his Freeza arc power without Kaioken and like 80% of Freeza tops so hasn't improved that much by BOG.

Goku's like at most equal to SS3 Gotenks now if it's 10x (and the boys solo improvement wasn't that great), he's not taking the guy who owned a fighter of that power with little effort plus that same fighter with the regen such.

He could beat Kid Boo and OG Fat Boo easily though.

In both the Tarble and BoG arcs Goku is depicted as a farmer and hasn't been training. The DBS anime going as far as showing Goku and Vegeta to just start to train again at the beginning of the show. So unless the contrary is shown in a future work, both peaked in Daima.

Unless you have South Kaioshin massively stronger than Kid Boo then Super Boo and SS3 Gotenks aren't even twice as strong as SS3 Goku. Also, no, Gotenks prior to his RoSaT training was inferior to Vegeta as confirmed by the Daizenshuu books.

Goku and Vegeta both not training doesn't matter, if they both aren't training it's the same difference, it's still noteworthy when BoG vegeta surpasses Goku in the same form.
The Daiz are full of shit they say Goten equals Gohan and thus Trunks is stronger by extension and nonsense like that.
I do have sout and Daikaioshin a lot stronger, that's why he absorbed them and didn't just wear them down with regen and hax.
Gotenks surpassing "Vegeta" and the others was refering to Base Gotenks POST imo, SS1 was already predicted to be SS3 Goku level by Goku and Piccolo had no doubt about him beating fat Boo untill Super Boo appeared. SS1 Pre didn't end up fighting anyone.

Super Boo is not just a rejigged OG Fat boo, Fat Boo is supressed a lot by the Kaioshins (or at least Daikaio), Super Boo is not just a bit stronger but a lot because he's no longer supressed and finally gets their power added instead of Taken off. Piccolo shits himself when he comes about, post Gotenks SS3 struggles he's like ROSAT gains plus a x2 x4 multiplier ahead of Goku and Fat Boo, which is why Goku pisses himself fighting any super boo and is willing to potara himself out of existence. Gohans even stronger than that.

[ZombieVito]

Goku and Vegeta both not training doesn't matter, if they both aren't training it's the same difference, it's still noteworthy when BoG vegeta surpasses Goku in the same form.
The Daiz are full of shit they say Goten equals Gohan and thus Trunks is stronger by extension and nonsense like that.
I do have sout and Daikaioshin a lot stronger, that's why he absorbed them and didn't just wear them down with regen and hax.
Gotenks surpassing "Vegeta" and the others was refering to Base Gotenks POST imo, SS1 was already predicted to be SS3 Goku level by Goku and Piccolo had no doubt about him beating fat Boo untill Super Boo appeared. SS1 Pre didn't end up fighting anyone.

Super Boo is not just a rejigged OG Fat boo, Fat Boo is supressed a lot by the Kaioshins (or at least Daikaio), Super Boo is not just a bit stronger but a lot because he's no longer supressed and finally gets their power added instead of Taken off. Piccolo shits himself when he comes about, post Gotenks SS3 struggles he's like ROSAT gains plus a x2 x4 multiplier ahead of Goku and Fat Boo, which is why Goku pisses himself fighting any super boo and is willing to potara himself out of existence. Gohans even stronger than that.

1) Why is it note worthy? He did it because of a rage boost. Their base states are equal since Boo.
2) You not liking what an official guidebook states doesn't make it any less official and valid.
3) I don't buy them being a lot stronger than Boo. Shin would have said it.
4) It can't mean base Gotenks because then he wouldn't need the RoSaT to surpass Vegeta. He would just need to turn Super Saiyan to do it. Making the statement not only stupid but worthless.
5) Super Boo is exactly as strong as Fat Boo (When he's about to spilt) since the Daizenshuu books confirmed Dai Kaioshin only weakened Buff Boo slightly.

[TobyS]

Goku and Vegeta both not training doesn't matter, if they both aren't training it's the same difference, it's still noteworthy when BoG vegeta surpasses Goku in the same form.
The Daiz are full of shit they say Goten equals Gohan and thus Trunks is stronger by extension and nonsense like that.
I do have sout and Daikaioshin a lot stronger, that's why he absorbed them and didn't just wear them down with regen and hax.
Gotenks surpassing "Vegeta" and the others was refering to Base Gotenks POST imo, SS1 was already predicted to be SS3 Goku level by Goku and Piccolo had no doubt about him beating fat Boo untill Super Boo appeared. SS1 Pre didn't end up fighting anyone.

Super Boo is not just a rejigged OG Fat boo, Fat Boo is supressed a lot by the Kaioshins (or at least Daikaio), Super Boo is not just a bit stronger but a lot because he's no longer supressed and finally gets their power added instead of Taken off. Piccolo shits himself when he comes about, post Gotenks SS3 struggles he's like ROSAT gains plus a x2 x4 multiplier ahead of Goku and Fat Boo, which is why Goku pisses himself fighting any super boo and is willing to potara himself out of existence. Gohans even stronger than that.

1) Why is it note worthy? He did it because of a rage boost. Their base states are equal since Boo.
2) You not liking what an official guidebook states doesn't make it any less official and valid.
3) I don't buy them being a lot stronger than Boo. Shin would have said it.
4) It can't mean base Gotenks because then he wouldn't need the RoSaT to surpass Vegeta. He would just need to turn Super Saiyan to do it. Making the statement not only stupid but worthless.
5) Super Boo is exactly as strong as Fat Boo (When he's about to spilt) since the Daizenshuu books confirmed Dai Kaioshin only weakened Buff Boo slightly.

The statement is stupid and worthless, Goku predicted SS1 Pre Gotenks to be SS3 Goku level, he isn't 4x off on his estimate and no one points out that he was after all.
Shin had no reason to explicitly say it, he may not know how strong they were, nor how strong each form of Boo was.
You can make the case that the power is the same the split second before he splits but that's meaningless he wouldn't retain that power and didn't fight anyone in that state, Goku didn't fight this Boo, it has no bearing on power scaling or vs match ups.

[Hugo Boss]

All Goku said was that he told Boo someone stronger would appear, but even he wasn’t completely sure how things would play out. There’s no indication that he had some precise scaling in mind when he said that.

As for Super Boo’s strength, the issue is that if his two halves (Good Boo and Evil Boo) were both individually weaker than SS3 Goku, then even after merging, Super Boo wouldn’t be that much stronger than him. He’d surpass SS3 Goku, sure, but not by a massive multiplier. The idea just doesn’t hold up if you break it down logically.

[Koitsukai]

Scenario, the Buu arc: Babidi takes them all to the daimakai for the Dabura vs Gohan fight, but immediately takes everybody back except for Gohan, who's left stranded there.
Who can he beat in his base form? who will force him to go SS? who would force him to go SS2?(real SS2, not the vanilla SS2-ish vs Dabura, the one with sparks and that fucker look in his eyes).
But most importantly, how can he do that? easily? going all out? oneshotting them? mildly exerting himself?

Opponents:
1) The troops from Daimakai 1 that pinned down the chibi characters.
2) The Kraken.
3) Tamagami 3.
4) Tamagami 2 (including the powered up version)
-- Gohan gets a senzu bug (if needed).
5) Tamagami 1.
6) Kuu.
7) Duu. (Gohan, if needed, can have another senzu bug after this one)
8 ) One Mega.
9) One Giga.

Each of them show up after Gohan had some time to recover. Can he conquer the Daimakai?

[ZombieVito]

Scenario, the Buu arc: Babidi takes them all to the daimakai for the Dabura vs Gohan fight, but immediately takes everybody back except for Gohan, who's left stranded there.
Who can he beat in his base form? who will force him to go SS? who would force him to go SS2?(real SS2, not the vanilla SS2-ish vs Dabura, the one with sparks and that fucker look in his eyes).
But most importantly, how can he do that? easily? going all out? oneshotting them? mildly exerting himself?

Opponents:
1) The troops from Daimakai 1 that pinned down the chibi characters.
2) The Kraken.
3) Tamagami 3.
4) Tamagami 2 (including the powered up version)
-- Gohan gets a senzu bug (if needed).
5) Tamagami 1.
6) Kuu.
7) Duu. (Gohan, if needed, can have another senzu bug after this one)
8 ) One Mega.
9) One Giga.

Each of them show up after Gohan had some time to recover. Can he conquer the Daimakai?

Number 2 and up force him to use Super Saiyan but he finger flicks them all.

Edit: I guess Duu might make him use SS2. I'm not sure how close he is to SS3 Mini Goku/Vegeta.

[Korru]

Is there a better way to find previous a Versus Match-ups on this thread?

[Hugo Boss]

Scenario, the Buu arc: Babidi takes them all to the daimakai for the Dabura vs Gohan fight, but immediately takes everybody back except for Gohan, who's left stranded there.
Who can he beat in his base form? who will force him to go SS? who would force him to go SS2?(real SS2, not the vanilla SS2-ish vs Dabura, the one with sparks and that fucker look in his eyes).
But most importantly, how can he do that? easily? going all out? oneshotting them? mildly exerting himself?

Opponents:
1) The troops from Daimakai 1 that pinned down the chibi characters.
2) The Kraken.
3) Tamagami 3.
4) Tamagami 2 (including the powered up version)
-- Gohan gets a senzu bug (if needed).
5) Tamagami 1.
6) Kuu.
7) Duu. (Gohan, if needed, can have another senzu bug after this one)
8 ) One Mega.
9) One Giga.

Each of them show up after Gohan had some time to recover. Can he conquer the Daimakai?

1) Base Gohan wipes the floor with these guys. They’re probably around early Namek-tier at best. Gohan takes them all out with minimal effort.

2) It’s a big, dumb beast. Gohan might take a few seconds to find an opening, but he effortlessly guts it with one powerful ki blast.

3) This one might be tough in terms of durability. Gohan starts in Base, gets annoyed when the guy doesn’t go down easily, and after getting pushed slightly he goes SS1 and outmaneuvers Tamagami 3 for effect.

4) This will be his first major challenge. Gohan might be forced to go “real” SS2 here, the one with the serious intent from the Cell Games. He defeats Tamagami 2 with a charged Kamehameha. This marks Gohan’s return to form.

[Senzu bug eaten]

5) Tamagami 1 is defeated by Koo and Doo first, like in the TV series. He wouldn’t offer a difficult challenge anyway.

6) This one might be tricky. Koo might be the strategist or speed-type, but Gohan’s not even breaking a sweat yet. SS1 dominates and ends it with pure precision.

7) Doo gets assistance from Koo. Gohan goes SS2 after getting grazed, but Doo starts pushing the edge, binding Gohan in a way that he barely breaks free from. Gohan finally awakens the Ultimate state we see in the Boo arc. Ultimate Gohan wins.

[Senzu bug eaten]

Gohan avoids this fight. The Mega giant is not an enemy. Ultimate Gohan would one-punch if needed, though.

9) The Giga giant is probably stronger than anyone Gohan fought before. Gohan wouldn’t be able to take it lightly. But as the Mega, it’s not a threat if it doesn’t get bothered.

Bonus Fight: Third Eye Gomah

The true hidden boss of the Daimakai. Now we’re dealing with a real monster. Ultimate Gohan gets his hits in, but Gomah adapts mid-fight. Gohan starts to take visible damage. He gets assistance from his new teammates, but they all fail. Tamagami 1 gets killed. Gohan’s body begins emitting strange energy, red eyes flicker, hair spikes. Beast Gohan awakens. Gomah throws everything at him. Gohan doesn’t move. With a single non-verbal attack, he blitz Gomah. After that, it goes like in the TV series, Gohan pierces Gomah with Makankosappo and Koo removes the third eye from Gomah’s forehead.

Conclusion: Can Gohan conquer the Daimakai? Yes, but only by fully growing into Beast.