Is It Just Me or Does Cabba Suck?

[BernardoCairo]

The difference is that their Saiyan culture both still exists and is apparently different from the Universe 7 culture, from what we've seen. Further more, two of the three introduced characters wound up receiving actual focus and the barest of bare minimum character development that allowed for them to 1) become endeared to the fandom in general 2) give us female characters who aren't obsessed with pleasing men and 3) Gave us a stealth Sapphic relationship.

Now, they just need to keep adding more to them.

I like that there are female Super Saiyajins and that young girls can look up to them and feel represented in the story. I think it's a great idea. And sure, they’re from a different universe. It wouldn’t make much sense to keep introducing Saiyajins who were supposedly just hiding somewhere all this time (though they did get away with Broly). My issue is that we didn’t really see much of them. What real development did they get? More than your average random Tournament of Power fighter, but less than Toppo. That’s not enough. I wish we could see more of them and their world, but I doubt it. Super has this habit of introducing promising characters and then leaving them behind after one arc. I’m still waiting to see more of Merus.

[dbs fanboy]

I like him because he made Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta a victim.

Putting the jokes aside, he's kinda eh, people like him because he's what could be an introduction to Sadala and an U6 Saiyan's centric arc, they also like him as a Vegeta apprentice, because this makes Vegeta cooler I guess, and he's also liked as a contrast of hating the Saiyan girls, since Cabba achieves transformations "the right way" (nobody tell them about Goten and Trunks).

But......yeah he doesn't have anything else beyond that (and beating the crap out of Gogeta).

[Jord]

I just don't like the Saiyajins of Universe 6 in general. And no, it's obviously not because two of them are women. I just don't see the point in introducing Saiyajins from a different universe and barely changing them. I mean, they don't have tails. But so what? That hasn't really being a thing since the Saiyajin Arc. They're also "good", apparently. But we don't see enough of them for that to matter. Besides, we've already seen Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, and others lean toward the "good" side, proving that there's more to the Saiyans of this universe than just being "evil."
Cabba or Kale compete to see who is the weakest Saiyajin in terms of character, for me personally.

It would be far more interesting if they were "evil" or at least more bloodthirsty. It would be far more entertaining to see them interact with the rest of the cast that way, showing that contrast. The way there were written, there wasn't anything about them that made them feel like they came from a different universe. It doesn't help that one of them basically was Temu Broly.

[JulieYBM]

If anything, the Universe 6 Saiyans should be a reflection of the loss that Vegeta feels for a potential that his universe's Saiyans were never able to live up to. Vegeta isn't the same type of Saiyan that the Universe 7 Saiyans once were and that should be the central basis of his arc in these Dragon Ball Super era stories. Saiyans like Paragus reflect that old way of thinking and that should have been drawn as a clearer line of conflict before he was killed. Heck, new characters can still be introduced to stress that.

[MasenkoHA]

I enjoy the universe 6 Saiyans but he’s definitely my least favorite of the 3.

I kinda dig Vegeta in the mentor role. This is a guy who looks down on anyone weaker than him except his wife and kids so it’s cool to see him take another Saiyan under his wing and develop a respect for his protege that he usually doesn’t give out to others.

[JulieYBM]

I enjoy the universe 6 Saiyans but he’s definitely my least favorite of the 3.

I kinda dig Vegeta in the mentor role. This is a guy who looks down on anyone weaker than him except his wife and kids so it’s cool to see him take another Saiyan under his wing and develop a respect for his protege that he usually doesn’t give out to others.

It's definitely nice when Vegeta is more than just, like, annoyed all the time. Adding layers to characters is good, Dragon Ball!

[Jord]

I enjoy the universe 6 Saiyans but he’s definitely my least favorite of the 3.

I kinda dig Vegeta in the mentor role. This is a guy who looks down on anyone weaker than him except his wife and kids so it’s cool to see him take another Saiyan under his wing and develop a respect for his protege that he usually doesn’t give out to others.

They should have done more with that aspect. I agree. It would have been interesting to see it develop further.

[Yuli Ban]

He sucks, yes, if you pay him enough zeni.

In all seriousness, I feel they didn't much think the U6 Saiyans through. Different culture is fine. They invite speculation that's unfortunately going to be way better than anything we'd probably have gotten. They codified the fact that tailless Saiyans are just the norm now, which is a negative.
Cabba got hit the worst of it because he's supposed to mean something to Vegeta and I just don't buy it anymore than I buy the idea that #16 means anything to Gohan.
I suppose the only real reason I bring up any issue with this is because I just keep asking myself "Why exactly do we see these races in the first place?" The whole reason why the Saiyans were the way they were is because of Son Goku himself; the concept of them is 'What if Son Goku was evil?' So the idea of there being an alternate universe 'good' Saiyan race makes sense, the contrast is the point. It's just that the characters from it we see and the designs we get out of it just really feel like filler. Cabba had already been done better as Tarble, and I think that's my biggest issue with him. Everything we could have gotten from Cabba, we instead could have gotten from Tarble, who is apparently still canon no less. It would have actually been meaningful to see Vegeta grow to respect his castaway brother.
But that wasn't possible considering it was an interuniversal tournament. Which in itself didn't feel like it even meant anything either. Nothing comes of Universe 6 because nothing really came out of Super. I'd have felt more if we actually did see more of Sadala beyond the first three Saiyans we met from there that just happened to also be Super Saiyans, one of whom is also the Legendary Super Saiyan no less (which to be fair, that's to be expected if they were taken for the Tournament of Power). Cabba means so much to Vegeta now that his Not!Final Atonement even includes him. You know, the kid whose planet he threatened to blow up to get him to become a Super Saiyan.
Well, I guess that's just how Saiyans bond, so I guess I can't be too frustrated. Cabba served his purpose, and did the bare minimum of it at that. That's the biggest flaws of Super in a nutshell.

The thing I regret the most from any of that is, without question, that we never really saw Universe 6 Earth. We're told it destroyed itself from war, and it's restored off screen. And I kept wondering 'Imagine if the shoes were on the other foot, and Earthling civilization in universe 6 was the one that was chaotic, warlike, and supremely strong, and Champa's greed literally just caused Human!Vegeta to decide to crash Sadala to take it over?'
That would have been far more interesting! Imagine an alternate universe Earth where everything simultaneously went wrong AND they were also crazy strong, which would in itself open up possibilities for the Earthling cast as well as Son Goku who always championed Earth and now gets to see the full evil potential of Earth that had corrupted the Nameless Namekian that split into Piccolo, now fully realized.

As opposed to Not!Tarble. Instead, it's not even treated like a joke, it's just straight up entirely off screen shenanigans.

[Kenji]

You mean Discount Tarble? Yes, he very much sucks.
If he had an ounce of character, he would get curious and call out U7's Saiyans for their bloodlust and shitty history.
But he doesn't exist to be a character, he exists to give Vegeta a poor excuse of an arc that ultimately goes nowhere.

[JulieYBM]

You mean Discount Tarble? Yes, he very much sucks.
If he had an ounce of character, he would get curious and call out U7's Saiyans for their bloodlust and shitty history.
But he doesn't exist to be a character, he exists to give Vegeta a poor excuse of an arc that ultimately goes nowhere.

The Tarble of it all doesn't really bother me. I'll take an entire series of Saberfaces if it meant interesting characters and stories. What I never really understood was the positive reaction to him. There wasn't much to latch on to, near as I could recall.

Also, this thread is olllld

He sucks, yes, if you pay him enough zeni.

As all men should

[super michael]

I like him because he made Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta a victim.

Putting the jokes aside, he's kinda eh, people like him because he's what could be an introduction to Sadala and an U6 Saiyan's centric arc, they also like him as a Vegeta apprentice, because this makes Vegeta cooler I guess, and he's also liked as a contrast of hating the Saiyan girls, since Cabba achieves transformations "the right way" (nobody tell them about Goten and Trunks).

But......yeah he doesn't have anything else beyond that (and beating the crap out of Gogeta).

Cabba achieved SSJ the original way, but that doesn't make it the best way. Caulifla focused her ki on her back, basically that tingly feeling means feeling their ki. She used her brains to transform, instead of using rage or brute force.
SSJ was first discover by relying on rage, it doesn't mean that is the only way to achieve it.

We don't know how Goten and Trunks achieved their transformation, we never got an official answer. However they are the first Saiyans in Universe 7 to be born without a tail, plus they are the first Saiyans to be born from SSJ parent.


Cabba design doesn't look good, they went too far with him having zero muscles.