"Dragon Ball Super: The Galactic Patrol" (20??) Discussion Thread

[JulieYBM]

I wonder how they'll handle the gore scenes

Given the penchant for avoiding strong depictions of violence in modern Dragon Ball animated projects, I assume they will simply not include any. They want to be able to easily license this series around the world, after all. There's also no indication that the series is going to use the manga as a guide for the story over just using whatever outline Toriyama might have written.

[Zephyr]

If they don't have Goku become a space cop, don't have Yardrat man suggest that Vegeta's kung fu is better than Goku's, don't have #17 and #18 imply that they don't possess life force, change the designs of all of the prisoners, and give Moro at least as much of a martial spark as Gomah did (a low bar), then I might really enjoy this adaptation. Well, the first one is unfortunately impossible given the premise, but the rest could happen (even if they probably won't).

Either way, will be fun to have Super back, have more new video game characters, and hopefully a Granola arc adaptation down the line. If we do, I can't imagine them not taking the safe route of doing a "Black Freeza arc" eventually. Perhaps Goku and Vegeta will bring him in as members of the Galactic Patrol.

Like I said in the Genkida Matsuri thread, crediting Toriyama but not Toyotaro for this is slimy, regardless of my feelings on the work itself. But maybe Toriyama had suggested some changes to the arc and gave those notes to the anime staff, before passing. Finally, Moro will be canon!

[JulieYBM]

Like I said in the Genkida Matsuri thread, crediting Toriyama but not Toyotaro for this is slimy, regardless of my feelings on the work itself. But maybe Toriyama had suggested some changes to the arc and gave those notes to the anime staff, before passing. Finally, Moro will be canon!

I keep forgetting to bring this up, but you're definitely right. I'm wondering if Iyoku basically asked Toriyama to 'rewrite' the plot because he knew that it would give Capsule Corp Tokyo the ability to legally do the Moro arc without needing to work with Shueisha at all. This whole situation is very, very strange. If the anime version winds up just being a typical manga adaption and Toyotarou isn't credited at all, that's also going to be really fucked up. Iyoku constantly has this vibe to him that I don't like at all and this whole Moro arc situation really isn't any better.

[Mister_Popo]

In terms of property Toriyama is immortal. Even if the DBS manga continues, I think the overall label of the franchise will be “based on the work of Akira Toriyama” rather than “story by Toyotaro.” That isn’t entirely in line with the principle of “credit where credit is due,” but I predict that Toriyama’s name will continue to be milked to the fullest extent. They will probably find something—claims that Toriyama left notes on how the story could continue (even though it was not his habit to plan far ahead), that he had discussions with other people, and that he also left behind sketches—and that the continuation of the story will be based on those.

[JulieYBM]

Even if the DBS manga continues, I think the overall label of the franchise will be “based on the work of Akira Toriyama” rather than “story by Toyotaro.” That isn’t entirely in line with the principle of “credit where credit is due,” but I predict that Toriyama’s name will continue to be milked to the fullest extent. They will probably find something—claims that Toriyama left notes on how the story could continue (even though it was not his habit to plan far ahead), that he had discussions with other people, and that he also left behind sketches—and that the continuation of the story will be based on those.

Yeah, it's a zombie commercial product being trotted out to sell more merchandise. While I'm always happy to see a a production crew get a shot to make a passion project even for other people's IP, the fact that Iyoku Akio wants to sell a song-and-dance and keep making new Dragon Ball projects should be a pretty clear sign to people to have some caution when entering the fun house.

[Hugo Boss]

Like I said in the Genkida Matsuri thread, crediting Toriyama but not Toyotaro for this is slimy, regardless of my feelings on the work itself. But maybe Toriyama had suggested some changes to the arc and gave those notes to the anime staff, before passing. Finally, Moro will be canon!

I keep forgetting to bring this up, but you're definitely right. I'm wondering if Iyoku basically asked Toriyama to 'rewrite' the plot because he knew that it would give Capsule Corp Tokyo the ability to legally do the Moro arc without needing to work with Shueisha at all. This whole situation is very, very strange. If the anime version winds up just being a typical manga adaption and Toyotarou isn't credited at all, that's also going to be really fucked up. Iyoku constantly has this vibe to him that I don't like at all and this whole Moro arc situation really isn't any better.

If there is a legal dispute in this case, using Toyotaro’s design or story elements would definitely cause some issues. In this case, Toriyama should redesign Moro or even replace him for another villain. I don’t think this is what gonna happen, but who knows.

[Mr Baggins]

I predict that Toriyama’s name will continue to be milked to the fullest extent. They will probably find something—claims that Toriyama left notes on how the story could continue (even though it was not his habit to plan far ahead), that he had discussions with other people, and that he also left behind sketches—and that the continuation of the story will be based on those.

Oh, no doubt. We'll continue to see this shit for at least the next decade or two. That's the sad reality of what companies tend to do after a lead creative passes away.

But at least for now, they're just adapting and/or remastering older material. Shame to see Toyotaro getting the short end of the stick though.

[JulieYBM]

Like I said in the Genkida Matsuri thread, crediting Toriyama but not Toyotaro for this is slimy, regardless of my feelings on the work itself. But maybe Toriyama had suggested some changes to the arc and gave those notes to the anime staff, before passing. Finally, Moro will be canon!

I keep forgetting to bring this up, but you're definitely right. I'm wondering if Iyoku basically asked Toriyama to 'rewrite' the plot because he knew that it would give Capsule Corp Tokyo the ability to legally do the Moro arc without needing to work with Shueisha at all. This whole situation is very, very strange. If the anime version winds up just being a typical manga adaption and Toyotarou isn't credited at all, that's also going to be really fucked up. Iyoku constantly has this vibe to him that I don't like at all and this whole Moro arc situation really isn't any better.

If there is a legal dispute in this case, using Toyotaro’s design or story elements would definitely cause some issues. In this case, Toriyama should redesign Moro or even replace him for another villain. I don’t think this is what gonna happen, but who knows.

Well, unless it happened before Toriyama's passing, it's definitely not going to happen.

[mecha3000]

I know it's a long shot, but does anyone think it's possible that during The Galactic Patrol anime's release, they'll finally adapt and anime the Jaco manga??? I always wondered why they didn't do that in the OG Super anime, but the Moro arc being centered around the Galactic Patrol provides the perfect opportunity. But I wouldn't start the Moro arc anime with the Jaco manga because that would turn off a lot of fans. I would add it as an epilogue to the Moro arc. I really hope they adapt it because anything Toriyama touched and worked on is much more valuable now. And since Dragon Ball Minus got adapted into the Broly movie, why not the Jaco manga for the Moro arc (especially since Minus was published in the Jaco manga as a bonus chapter).

It's similar to how in Naruto, the Kakashi Chronicles manga chapters never got adapted into the OG Naruto anime. Instead, they adapted them later on into Shippuden's run. The same thing can happen here with the Jaco manga and the Moro arc.

[JulieYBM]

I know it's a long shot, but does anyone think it's possible that during The Galactic Patrol anime's release, they'll finally adapt and anime the Jaco manga??? I always wondered why they didn't do that in the OG Super anime, but the Moro arc being centered around the Galactic Patrol provides the perfect opportunity. But I wouldn't start the Moro arc anime with the Jaco manga because that would turn off a lot of fans. I would add it as an epilogue to the Moro arc. I really hope they adapt it because anything Toriyama touched and worked on is much more valuable now. And since Dragon Ball Minus got adapted into the Broly movie, why not the Jaco manga for the Moro arc (especially since Minus was published in the Jaco manga as a bonus chapter).

It's similar to how in Naruto, the Kakashi Chronicles manga chapters never got adapted into the OG Naruto anime. Instead, they adapted them later on into Shippuden's run. The same thing can happen here with the Jaco manga and the Moro arc.

I would not be surprised at all, given how Iyoku didn't even tell Shueisha that he was producing a Sand Land film and series.

[mecha3000]

I would not be surprised at all, given how Iyoku didn't even tell Shueisha that he was producing a Sand Land film and series.

Good to know. Hopefully, it does happen because I always felt that was one of OG Super's biggest missed opportunities. Also, didn't know that about Iyoku. He sounds like a badass for that. I'm glad he was seemingly able to figure out the rights and get us Super back.

[The Dark Knight]

I know it's a long shot, but does anyone think it's possible that during The Galactic Patrol anime's release, they'll finally adapt and anime the Jaco manga???

I have no doubt that everything Toriyama has drawn, whether it be Jaco, Neko Majin, etc... will get adapted eventually.

[SSGpotota]

While I'm glad they're staying closer to Toriyama's vision (whatever that means), I hope they don't stay TOO close. Wasting all this effort just to see, again, the very unsatisfying conclusions of the Golden Frieza and Zamasu arcs... kinda sucks. Although to fix this issues you need extensive rewrites and I don't think they're going to do that

[The Dark Knight]

Wasting all this effort just to see, again, the very unsatisfying conclusions of the Golden Frieza and Zamasu arcs... kinda sucks.

There's no way they're changing those two endings. As much as I think these remakes will be a major step above the originals, there are certain plot points that will remain the same, unfortunately.

[SSGpotota]

Wasting all this effort just to see, again, the very unsatisfying conclusions of the Golden Frieza and Zamasu arcs... kinda sucks.

There's no way they're changing those two endings. As much as I think these remakes will be a major step above the originals, there are certain plot points that will remain the same, unfortunately.

For Golden Frieza at least they could just end him directly without the time reversing shenanigans, that feels like the easiest fix they could do, not that amounts to much but at least is something.
As for the Zamasu Arc... there's no way to fix it without changing a lot, but at least I'd like to see Fused Zamasu splitting into multiple copies like it happened in the manga, that was very cool, the anime version of the events was more terrifying but it didn't convince me fully visually speaking.

[Mister_Popo]

I know it's a long shot, but does anyone think it's possible that during The Galactic Patrol anime's release, they'll finally adapt and anime the Jaco manga???

Last year, TOEI announced that they would be investing in expansions of their staff, not only within Japan but also in other parts of the world, alongside investments in new supporting technologies (including further integration of CGI, motion capture but also AI, for example to speed up the coloring or in-between frames and thus accelerate the production process—though it’s unclear whether this will already be used for Super). It's a 10-year expansion plan worth roughly $450 million. With these investments, they can theoretically produce more content in a shorter timeframe. Side stories like Minus and Jaco—which they previously tended to see more as a luxury or bonus rather than a priority—could realistically be adapted as well. I wouldn’t expect that to happen immediately, though, not before/during the Galactic Patrol arc. I think they are now primarily focusing on Super 2.0, because they know fans have been waiting for it for so long and want to do it justice.

[TheSaiyanGod]

So, apparently Toyotaro didn't even said anything about the annoucement of the GP arc adaptation, right?

Not sure if that's making too big of a deal out of nothing, but it feels weird tbh. Even if Toyo not being credited could've been chalked up to them just wanting to highlight Toriyama's name (although there was nothing stopping them from just also inserting Toyo's name there too), Toyo not even recognizing it doesn't seem right.

Considering how much the anime adaptation of previous Super arcs strayed from Toriyama's outline, it wouldn't be surprising if the adaptation of the Galactic Patrol arc actually changes a substantial amount of things. They even changed the actual name used in the manga (removing the "prisioner" from the title). If that's the case, I wonder if they would even consult Toyo about the adaptation. Since he envisioned a lot of stuff in this arc (with Toriyama's input" throughout), I think they should.

[The Dark Knight]

So, apparently Toyotaro didn't even posted anything about the annoucement of the GP arc adaptation, right?

Not sure if that's making too big of a deal out of nothing, but it feels weird tbh. Even if Toyo not being credited could've been chalked up to them just wanting to highlight Toriyama's name (although there was nothing stopping them from just also inserting Toyo's name there too), Toyo not even recognizing it doesn't seem right.

Toyotaro not being mentioned period during the announcement, as well as him not acknowledging said announcement, gives me the impression that he and the higher ups may not be on good terms. I hope this won't happen, but don't be surprised if the manga continues without him.

[Chuquita]

I agree it does sound suspect. How much is marketing and how much is a symptom of a potentially strained relationship?

I do feel proper credit should be given to Toyotaro for the Moro arc if it was indeed his ideas.

[LoganForkHands73]

Tangential point but is there a reason why the latest announcements have not been covered on the main Kanzenshuu site yet? It’s been a few days now.