"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[PrinceVegetto]

With the anime returning, the big question is if the manga will continue as well.

Of course it will, as the legal issues holding the anime back were also impacting the manga. Now it's only a matter of when the announcement will be made. I expect either comic-con in July, or Jump Festa in December.

The bigger question is will we finally connect all of Super to EoZ in the upcoming manga arc?

Super Hero iirc takes place in Age 783. EoZ is Age 784.

[The Dark Knight]

The bigger question is will we finally connect all of Super to EoZ in the upcoming manga arc?

If they want to really get people talking and generate hype, they should have the Black Freeza arc start with End of Z, then go from there into the main plot. Have the entirety of End of Z redrawn from the ground up and covered in Chapter 1 of the Black Freeza arc. I know that won't happen, as the arc taking place before is more likely, but crazier things have happened.

[Noah]

I wonder how they’re going to deal with Freeza, and also whether they’ll go past EoZ. Probably not, since Toriyama never wanted to do that, and some people might see it as disrespectful to his work.

[Chuquita]

Even though I have mixed feelings on the pacing of the dbs manga, the Black Freeza arc would be the one I'd actually get excited for because it would mean new plot stuff to speculate about and that was some of my favorite parts of Super's run.

[LightBing]

I wonder how they’re going to deal with Freeza, and also whether they’ll go past EoZ. Probably not, since Toriyama never wanted to do that, and some people might see it as disrespectful to his work.

GT exists, I doubt Toriyama ever cared about going past EoZ.
The suits we're probably more adverse to it than anyone else, since modern Dragon Ball is mostly recycled contents and characters.

[The Dark Knight]

GT exists, I doubt Toriyama ever cared about going past EoZ.
The suits we're probably more adverse to it than anyone else, since modern Dragon Ball is mostly recycled contents and characters.

I can see them MAYBE attempting to tell stories in the 5 years between End of Z and GT. That's a time period that was never explored outside of Neko Majin, which never lined up with Dragon Ball anyway. There's still one year between Superhero and End of Z, which is when I think whatever's going on with Freeza will take place.

[IntangibleFancy]

Whatever happened to that one-shot Toyotaro was planning to do?

[Xeogran]

Whatever happened to that one-shot Toyotaro was planning to do?

As sad as it was, it only existed to be used as an example of how to NOT write a manga. If it ever releases, who knows, though now it seems doubtful since it's such old news.

[sangofe]

Whatever happened to that one-shot Toyotaro was planning to do?

As sad as it was, it only existed to be used as an example of how to NOT write a manga.

Has this been said officially?

[VegettoEX]

Quoting myself from just the last page of this thread:

Toyotaro's "Lost Samurai" draft being presented on stage in front of a live audience and with live critique from Kazuhiko Torishima at Japan Expo was very clearly a stunt in support of Torishima's "Ultimate Manga Techniques" book coming up on its official French translation and release. It was a live demonstration of Torishima's thought processes and such, which readers can learn more about in the book. You can learn more about the panel and how it all went down and came across, from someone who was actually there, on Episode 526 of our podcast.

It has no relevance to or effect on the ongoing production (or lack thereof) of the Dragon Ball Super manga.

(Whether or not "Lost Samurai" was ever a legitimate draft that Toyotaro sketched out for actually pitching to Shueisha, or something made explicitly just for this panel, isn't exactly known... but it's also not particularly relevant in the long run.)

[Scsigs]

GT exists, I doubt Toriyama ever cared about going past EoZ.
The suits we're probably more adverse to it than anyone else, since modern Dragon Ball is mostly recycled contents and characters.

I mean, Toriyama would've been forced to go passed the end of the manga if he were still with us & contributing to Super. Super Hero literally takes place a year before the end of the manga takes place, as Pan is 3. I think the best way for him to have done it is do a timeskip to either while Goku's training Uub, or after they've finished up training. Basically what GT did. And even though Toriyama had praise for GT back in the day, that hasn't stopped him from overriding those events before. Twice now even.

[PrinceVegetto]

GT exists, I doubt Toriyama ever cared about going past EoZ.
The suits we're probably more adverse to it than anyone else, since modern Dragon Ball is mostly recycled contents and characters.

I mean, Toriyama would've been forced to go passed the end of the manga if he were still with us & contributing to Super. Super Hero literally takes place a year before the end of the manga takes place, as Pan is 3. I think the best way for him to have done it is do a timeskip to either while Goku's training Uub, or after they've finished up training. Basically what GT did. And even though Toriyama had praise for GT back in the day, that hasn't stopped him from overriding those events before. Twice now even.

If Super is supposed to be a midquel, then it would only make sense for them to conclude Black Freeza and tie everything up to EoZ.

If they decide to finally not play it safe and go beyond EoZ or beyond GT, it would have to be a new series.

[Scsigs]

If Super is supposed to be a midquel, then it would only make sense for them to conclude Black Freeza and tie everything up to EoZ.

If they decide to finally not play it safe and go beyond EoZ or beyond GT, it would have to be a new series.

Not really. Toyotaro could easily just do a timeskip. Toriyama used timeskips all the time in the original manga, so this wouldn't be anything new for Dragon Ball. In fact, I don't think Super's had any substantial timeskips. At most, probably a few months. A timeskip of, say, 5 years wouldn't be out of the norm for the franchise. Other Shonen mangas use timeskips as well (generally 1 & only of a few years at most), so this wouldn't be anything people can't accept.

[PrinceVegetto]

If Super is supposed to be a midquel, then it would only make sense for them to conclude Black Freeza and tie everything up to EoZ.

If they decide to finally not play it safe and go beyond EoZ or beyond GT, it would have to be a new series.

Not really. Toyotaro could easily just do a timeskip. Toriyama used timeskips all the time in the original manga, so this wouldn't be anything new for Dragon Ball. In fact, I don't think Super's had any substantial timeskips. At most, probably a few months. A timeskip of, say, 5 years wouldn't be out of the norm for the franchise. Other Shonen mangas use timeskips as well (generally 1 & only of a few years at most), so this wouldn't be anything people can't accept.

True, they can definitely do that. However, I'm saying it seems the intent of DBS is to serve as a midquel in the 10 year gap before EoZ.

If it were to also serve as a sequel to DBZ, then that's news to me.

[sangofe]

If Super is supposed to be a midquel, then it would only make sense for them to conclude Black Freeza and tie everything up to EoZ.

If they decide to finally not play it safe and go beyond EoZ or beyond GT, it would have to be a new series.

Not really. Toyotaro could easily just do a timeskip. Toriyama used timeskips all the time in the original manga, so this wouldn't be anything new for Dragon Ball. In fact, I don't think Super's had any substantial timeskips. At most, probably a few months. A timeskip of, say, 5 years wouldn't be out of the norm for the franchise. Other Shonen mangas use timeskips as well (generally 1 & only of a few years at most), so this wouldn't be anything people can't accept.

True, they can definitely do that. However, I'm saying it seems the intent of DBS is to serve as a midquel in the 10 year gap before EoZ.

If it were to also serve as a sequel to DBZ, then that's news to me.

They could call it Dragon Ball Ultra.

[Scsigs]

True, they can definitely do that. However, I'm saying it seems the intent of DBS is to serve as a midquel in the 10 year gap before EoZ.

If it were to also serve as a sequel to DBZ, then that's news to me.

Well, it's a midquel, but it also blatantly ignores the original manga & Z stating that there hasn't been any threats to Earth in 10 years & that Goku hasn't seen Bulma in the 5 years before the last 2 chapters, so it's already in an alternate timeline. Maybe they could give it a subtitle, but I don't think that'd be necessary.