"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Post by PrinceVegetto » Sun Jan 25, 2026 3:54 pm

The Dark Knight wrote: Sun Jan 25, 2026 2:32 pm
Bardock God of Time wrote: Sun Jan 25, 2026 12:31 pm With the anime returning, the big question is if the manga will continue as well.
Of course it will, as the legal issues holding the anime back were also impacting the manga. Now it's only a matter of when the announcement will be made. I expect either comic-con in July, or Jump Festa in December.
The bigger question is will we finally connect all of Super to EoZ in the upcoming manga arc?

Super Hero iirc takes place in Age 783. EoZ is Age 784.

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Post by The Dark Knight » Sun Jan 25, 2026 3:58 pm

PrinceVegetto wrote: Sun Jan 25, 2026 3:54 pmThe bigger question is will we finally connect all of Super to EoZ in the upcoming manga arc?
If they want to really get people talking and generate hype, they should have the Black Freeza arc start with End of Z, then go from there into the main plot. Have the entirety of End of Z redrawn from the ground up and covered in Chapter 1 of the Black Freeza arc. I know that won't happen, as the arc taking place before is more likely, but crazier things have happened.

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Post by Noah » Fri Jan 30, 2026 7:17 pm

I wonder how they’re going to deal with Freeza, and also whether they’ll go past EoZ. Probably not, since Toriyama never wanted to do that, and some people might see it as disrespectful to his work.
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Post by Chuquita » Fri Jan 30, 2026 8:35 pm

Even though I have mixed feelings on the pacing of the dbs manga, the Black Freeza arc would be the one I'd actually get excited for because it would mean new plot stuff to speculate about and that was some of my favorite parts of Super's run.
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Post by LightBing » Sat Jan 31, 2026 7:10 am

Noah wrote: Fri Jan 30, 2026 7:17 pm I wonder how they’re going to deal with Freeza, and also whether they’ll go past EoZ. Probably not, since Toriyama never wanted to do that, and some people might see it as disrespectful to his work.
GT exists, I doubt Toriyama ever cared about going past EoZ.
The suits we're probably more adverse to it than anyone else, since modern Dragon Ball is mostly recycled contents and characters.

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Post by The Dark Knight » Sat Jan 31, 2026 12:02 pm

LightBing wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 7:10 am GT exists, I doubt Toriyama ever cared about going past EoZ.
The suits we're probably more adverse to it than anyone else, since modern Dragon Ball is mostly recycled contents and characters.
I can see them MAYBE attempting to tell stories in the 5 years between End of Z and GT. That's a time period that was never explored outside of Neko Majin, which never lined up with Dragon Ball anyway. There's still one year between Superhero and End of Z, which is when I think whatever's going on with Freeza will take place.

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Post by IntangibleFancy » Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:54 pm

Whatever happened to that one-shot Toyotaro was planning to do?
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Post by Xeogran » Sun Feb 01, 2026 2:05 pm

IntangibleFancy wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:54 pm Whatever happened to that one-shot Toyotaro was planning to do?
As sad as it was, it only existed to be used as an example of how to NOT write a manga. If it ever releases, who knows, though now it seems doubtful since it's such old news.

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Post by sangofe » Sun Feb 01, 2026 2:30 pm

Xeogran wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 2:05 pm
IntangibleFancy wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:54 pm Whatever happened to that one-shot Toyotaro was planning to do?
As sad as it was, it only existed to be used as an example of how to NOT write a manga.
Has this been said officially?

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Post by VegettoEX » Sun Feb 01, 2026 2:39 pm

Quoting myself from just the last page of this thread:
VegettoEX wrote: Mon Sep 29, 2025 1:38 pm Toyotaro's "Lost Samurai" draft being presented on stage in front of a live audience and with live critique from Kazuhiko Torishima at Japan Expo was very clearly a stunt in support of Torishima's "Ultimate Manga Techniques" book coming up on its official French translation and release. It was a live demonstration of Torishima's thought processes and such, which readers can learn more about in the book. You can learn more about the panel and how it all went down and came across, from someone who was actually there, on Episode 526 of our podcast.

It has no relevance to or effect on the ongoing production (or lack thereof) of the Dragon Ball Super manga.

(Whether or not "Lost Samurai" was ever a legitimate draft that Toyotaro sketched out for actually pitching to Shueisha, or something made explicitly just for this panel, isn't exactly known... but it's also not particularly relevant in the long run.)
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Post by Scsigs » Mon Feb 02, 2026 4:15 am

LightBing wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 7:10 am GT exists, I doubt Toriyama ever cared about going past EoZ.
The suits we're probably more adverse to it than anyone else, since modern Dragon Ball is mostly recycled contents and characters.
I mean, Toriyama would've been forced to go passed the end of the manga if he were still with us & contributing to Super. Super Hero literally takes place a year before the end of the manga takes place, as Pan is 3. I think the best way for him to have done it is do a timeskip to either while Goku's training Uub, or after they've finished up training. Basically what GT did. And even though Toriyama had praise for GT back in the day, that hasn't stopped him from overriding those events before. Twice now even.
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Post by PrinceVegetto » Mon Feb 02, 2026 6:36 pm

Scsigs wrote: Mon Feb 02, 2026 4:15 am
LightBing wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 7:10 am GT exists, I doubt Toriyama ever cared about going past EoZ.
The suits we're probably more adverse to it than anyone else, since modern Dragon Ball is mostly recycled contents and characters.
I mean, Toriyama would've been forced to go passed the end of the manga if he were still with us & contributing to Super. Super Hero literally takes place a year before the end of the manga takes place, as Pan is 3. I think the best way for him to have done it is do a timeskip to either while Goku's training Uub, or after they've finished up training. Basically what GT did. And even though Toriyama had praise for GT back in the day, that hasn't stopped him from overriding those events before. Twice now even.
If Super is supposed to be a midquel, then it would only make sense for them to conclude Black Freeza and tie everything up to EoZ.

If they decide to finally not play it safe and go beyond EoZ or beyond GT, it would have to be a new series.

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Post by Scsigs » Tue Feb 03, 2026 1:01 am

PrinceVegetto wrote: Mon Feb 02, 2026 6:36 pm If Super is supposed to be a midquel, then it would only make sense for them to conclude Black Freeza and tie everything up to EoZ.

If they decide to finally not play it safe and go beyond EoZ or beyond GT, it would have to be a new series.
Not really. Toyotaro could easily just do a timeskip. Toriyama used timeskips all the time in the original manga, so this wouldn't be anything new for Dragon Ball. In fact, I don't think Super's had any substantial timeskips. At most, probably a few months. A timeskip of, say, 5 years wouldn't be out of the norm for the franchise. Other Shonen mangas use timeskips as well (generally 1 & only of a few years at most), so this wouldn't be anything people can't accept.
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Post by PrinceVegetto » Tue Feb 03, 2026 2:26 pm

Scsigs wrote: Tue Feb 03, 2026 1:01 am
PrinceVegetto wrote: Mon Feb 02, 2026 6:36 pm If Super is supposed to be a midquel, then it would only make sense for them to conclude Black Freeza and tie everything up to EoZ.

If they decide to finally not play it safe and go beyond EoZ or beyond GT, it would have to be a new series.
Not really. Toyotaro could easily just do a timeskip. Toriyama used timeskips all the time in the original manga, so this wouldn't be anything new for Dragon Ball. In fact, I don't think Super's had any substantial timeskips. At most, probably a few months. A timeskip of, say, 5 years wouldn't be out of the norm for the franchise. Other Shonen mangas use timeskips as well (generally 1 & only of a few years at most), so this wouldn't be anything people can't accept.
True, they can definitely do that. However, I'm saying it seems the intent of DBS is to serve as a midquel in the 10 year gap before EoZ.

If it were to also serve as a sequel to DBZ, then that's news to me.

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Post by sangofe » Tue Feb 03, 2026 3:49 pm

PrinceVegetto wrote: Tue Feb 03, 2026 2:26 pm
Scsigs wrote: Tue Feb 03, 2026 1:01 am
PrinceVegetto wrote: Mon Feb 02, 2026 6:36 pm If Super is supposed to be a midquel, then it would only make sense for them to conclude Black Freeza and tie everything up to EoZ.

If they decide to finally not play it safe and go beyond EoZ or beyond GT, it would have to be a new series.
Not really. Toyotaro could easily just do a timeskip. Toriyama used timeskips all the time in the original manga, so this wouldn't be anything new for Dragon Ball. In fact, I don't think Super's had any substantial timeskips. At most, probably a few months. A timeskip of, say, 5 years wouldn't be out of the norm for the franchise. Other Shonen mangas use timeskips as well (generally 1 & only of a few years at most), so this wouldn't be anything people can't accept.
True, they can definitely do that. However, I'm saying it seems the intent of DBS is to serve as a midquel in the 10 year gap before EoZ.

If it were to also serve as a sequel to DBZ, then that's news to me.
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Post by Scsigs » Tue Feb 03, 2026 4:16 pm

PrinceVegetto wrote: Tue Feb 03, 2026 2:26 pm True, they can definitely do that. However, I'm saying it seems the intent of DBS is to serve as a midquel in the 10 year gap before EoZ.

If it were to also serve as a sequel to DBZ, then that's news to me.
Well, it's a midquel, but it also blatantly ignores the original manga & Z stating that there hasn't been any threats to Earth in 10 years & that Goku hasn't seen Bulma in the 5 years before the last 2 chapters, so it's already in an alternate timeline. Maybe they could give it a subtitle, but I don't think that'd be necessary.
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Post by GurixDr34 » Sun Feb 08, 2026 4:42 am

I hope the manga returns someday and that they continue the story post Granolah

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Post by MCDaveG » Wed Feb 11, 2026 5:05 am

I'd be fine with the Super manga being done for what it was... I am just still sour from the Granolah arc ending the way it was and during the process, setting up Black Freeza instead of leaving it be, capping off with Super Hero and maybe, do some small bit of "road to the EOZ".
Unless it wasn't proper setup and just setting up the Sword of Damocles hovering above the main cast as a concrete thing with the original manga epilogue.

I am not even excited for another Freeza rematch. Where can the manga go to be interesting and relevant?
Sure, I can toss in countless of ideas, but honestly and personally, none of the possibilities are interesting enough, to warrant continuation.
Unless they go batshit crazy and spin it on their head and we can probably safely asume that won't happen.
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Post by Koitsukai » Wed Feb 11, 2026 9:04 am

The thing is there shouldn't be any more stories taking place in this 10 year period. They've been busier during the hiatus than in the actual story. The Granola arc was already one too many and then Super Hero happened.

Black Freeza and Freeza himself are being treated as non-emergency situations. He isn't going after them, they aren't either, it's procrastination at its finest, so that story could be told after the epilogue, be it a movie or an animated story, or even a manga arc that moves past the epilogue.
Cramming yet another arc (a new one, unrelated to Black Freeza) before the end is unnecessary, perhaps that's why the manga hasn't returned: there's only one more story to tell and they are saving it for last. Even if that story is being told after the ending, they could be waiting for... IDK, maybe the anime getting closer to it or something before dealing with Road to EoZ.

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Post by MCDaveG » Wed Feb 11, 2026 10:04 am

Koitsukai wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 9:04 am The thing is there shouldn't be any more stories taking place in this 10 year period. They've been busier during the hiatus than in the actual story. The Granola arc was already one too many and then Super Hero happened.

Black Freeza and Freeza himself are being treated as non-emergency situations. He isn't going after them, they aren't either, it's procrastination at its finest, so that story could be told after the epilogue, be it a movie or an animated story, or even a manga arc that moves past the epilogue.
Cramming yet another arc (a new one, unrelated to Black Freeza) before the end is unnecessary, perhaps that's why the manga hasn't returned: there's only one more story to tell and they are saving it for last. Even if that story is being told after the ending, they could be waiting for... IDK, maybe the anime getting closer to it or something before dealing with Road to EoZ.
I can see it as a kind of epilogue to epilogue and basically, I agree with your whole post.
One of the ideas that came into my head was exactly this. Super Hero is so close to the EOZ, that what I meant by the Road to EOZ was basically just a slice of life bit, that just foreshadows and links the EOZ. Like Goku getting in his tortoise/blue gi and going: "I'm gonna train for the tournament." Nothing big...

The only thing that would interest me but is cliché at the same time at it's best, is basically going beyond.
Goku trains Uub, Gohan and Piccolo have their reserves unleashed, we are already hitting the all possible ceilings in terms of power, god pantheon... Freeza is super pumped, has the black form, but damn, something more powerful turns up, destroys Freeza. Bam, threat is here.
But that's boring as hell, that's why I don't care... We already had the fighters as kids.
Only thing that makes some sense to see more characters (while connecting to already established ones), new worlds etc. is to go and exlore the different universes from 7. They've already closed the current one with Kaioshin claiming how many sentient species are there. Not much.

Not much has happened tho in that 10 year gap, it's one friendly bout with God Of Destruction during Bulma's birthday and the two mains training, one real threat (EOZ says hello) with Freeza, tournament, one side-real threat for Trunks' timeline with Zamasu and tournament.

Manga raised the stakes and I thought that Moro was actually interesting at first. It wasn't by sheer power, but magic and some lore and history with Kaioshin and furthermore, the angels. That was great. His Cell form, both visualy and ability-wise, was the boring part. Other than the climax climax, I actually liked the Moro arc.
Granolah arc was really underwhelming tho... It promised on things and didn't deliver. While the gang was interesting at first because of their connection to Freeza, in the end, they were just there and except for Freeza (who can somehow grow limitlesly in the same way our main cast can), both Granolah and the enemy had to use the Dragon Balls to be of any threat. The plot with sacrificing his own brother was rather basic, Bardock's plot only added fuel to the fire for all the haters of DB Minus (I am also not a big fan of Goku basically being Superman and not a product of coincidence and sheer luck). It was messy, unbearably long, with plot twist being another recolored design being sold as more powerful out of the ass form Freeza, that one-shoted the main villain. If they drop this arc from their Super anime revival schedule, I won't mind at all.

Also, if we have grey haired Ultra Instinct Goku (and God and SSJ God), purple Ultra Ego Vegeta with God and SSJG (Toppo's destroyer form was way cooler concept), grey haired Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo, Black Freeza (and Golden), let's add Beige Goten, Green Trunks, Pink Pan, Wolf Yamcha and Spider Tenshinhan. God bless Daima :)

At the same time, I really did enjoy Super Hero and Moro to extent. Let's see what happens, as after Genkidamatsuri, it can be anything.
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