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[The Dark Knight]

I like nice animation, but that takes time. I'm more than fine with the tradeoff of animation quality and episode count.

I agree to a degree. If I had to pick between a show that was a 10/10 in terms of art and animation, but was only 12 episodes long, or a show that's art and animation was an 8/10 but was 50 episodes long, then I'm going with the latter. The reason I say I agree to a degree is because an 8-10 is still within the realm of looking good and being animated well. However, once you go below that, then the trade off starts becoming less worth it as the quality decreases. Super's first 76 episodes for example were a 6 at best, both in terms of art and animation, which is something I could never take over Daima's 20 episodes that were consistently animated well and were on model.

[Chuquita]

I'll take story and fun character beats and a longer episode count over shorter shows that overly rely on animation at the story's expense. Kind of why I'm not looking forward too much to Super Kai. There's plenty of stuff I'd like to excise from Super, but there's also a lot of moments I like that aren't strictly action scenes.

I guess my trepidation with it is worry they'll remove the stuff I like while keeping stuff I don't like, but I feel like that's a normal concern and even so it doesn't erase the original Super or all the good memories I made with friends from back then.

[JulieYBM]

You can do good stories in a single cour with good animation. This is not an either/or situation. Good things are possible. Good stories can be told in a single episode, six episodes, and twelve episodes. Writing and directing are literally all about figuring out how to tell your stories well in the time allotted, just because Dragon Ball has shitty writing and directing it doesn’t mean you cannot accomplish these things and expect good things.

[ABED]

I like nice animation, but that takes time. I'm more than fine with the tradeoff of animation quality and episode count.

I agree to a degree. If I had to pick between a show that was a 10/10 in terms of art and animation, but was only 12 episodes long, or a show that's art and animation was an 8/10 but was 50 episodes long, then I'm going with the latter. The reason I say I agree to a degree is because an 8-10 is still within the realm of looking good and being animated well. However, once you go below that, then the trade off starts becoming less worth it as the quality decreases. Super's first 76 episodes for example were a 6 at best, both in terms of art and animation, which is something I could never take over Daima's 20 episodes that were consistently animated well and were on model.

It's TV. I'm tired of this 8-10 episode stuff. I don't want movie quality animation. give me good TV quality animation and more time with my favorite characters. Sorry I wasn't clear. I don't want Super episode 5 but I don't think that was the result of a tradeoff. Dragon ball / DBZ in its original run looked good even for cheaply produced animation. There are episodes and moments that look amazing. That's what I want, along with more episodes. Let TV be TV and movies be movies. It feels like when when the two mediums tried to take from the other instead of playing to their strengths, the worse they go.

[The Dark Knight]

It's TV. I'm tired of this 8-10 episode stuff. I don't want movie quality animation. give me good TV quality animation and more time with my favorite characters.

Now this I can agree with. As much as I love how Daima looked, I wouldn't mind if it looked slightly worse (an 8.5 instead of a 10) in exchange for more episodes that explored the demon realm further, delved deeper into certain character arcs like Glorio, and gave characters like Piccolo a chance to actually fight. I appreciate an amazing looking show just as much as anyone, but when it starts having a negative impact on the actual storytelling, then they need to take a step back and reevaluate their priorities.

[JulieYBM]

Anime doesn't really do 8-10 episode seasons, outside of a few recent series doing it as a result of wanting to tell the story a certain way and even then, those series wind up having extended episodes, so the amount of loss time is negligible, if at all.

Animated series take time to produce, regardless of quality. Even when Pokemon was only using 3,500 drawings an episode before 2013's XY series, key animation was still being done twenty-plus episodes ahead of broadcast. Dragon Quest: Dai no Dai-Bouken had 24-ish finished episodes before beginning production.

Infinite cour anime isn't sustainable anymore because the industry is producing more projects than it can sustain. Series like PreCure and Pokemon barely hold on now because the production pipelines never shut down because the production committees approve new series just far enough ahead of schedule, but even then they're massively struggling and rely heavily on senior citizens who can key animate entire episodes in a single month because they're from the era when anime had simple enough character designs to do that.

[ZeroNeonix]

Fortunately, the plots of the Moro and Granola arcs are already finished, so they can't make it up as they're in the middle of animating it this time.

[Scsigs]

Maybe this only bothers be, but does anyone else hate how Yamamuro draws when Vegeta (& some other characters) cross their arms? The arms just never looks right to me. This is something I noticed first in Super, but he's also drawn them this way in Z and Daima.
Example:

Spoiler:

Fortunately, the plots of the Moro and Granola arcs are already finished, so they can't make it up as they're in the middle of animating it this time.

Well, they can still make changes, but now they have a full manuscript to go off of with the manga rather than just a plot outline by Toriyama without a lot of details.

[Mystic-han]

And it just being useless?

It's not like it achieved anything in Superhero, but at least here he would've reached it through a method other than Shenron giving it to him as a "bonus", whatever that means.

Correct me because I think I've watched another movie because in it , piccolo

1_ defeated gamma 2 and stopped the fight
2_ established an alliance with the gammas which helped in the next battle
3_ played the brain and the muscle for 90% of Cell max fight and kept everyone alive

But sure it's useless

[BernardoCairo]

Piccolo is basically the main character of Super Hero. The whole movie revolves around him and the choices he makes, and they’re all smart. He’s the one investigating the Red Ribbon Army, training Pan, pushing Gohan, and stepping up when everything falls apart. The plot moves because of him.
Orange Piccolo coming from Shenlong was a great idea. It fits perfectly with his history with the Dragon Balls. Through Kami Sama, he’s directly connected to their creation and to the Eternal Dragon. So when he asks Shenlong for more power, it makes sense. It’s not a prideful Saiyajin moment. He doesn’t want the power for himself. He asks because someone has to protect the Earth.
What makes it better is that he’s asking his own creation for help. And when he gets a new form, he doesn’t make a big deal out of it. He accepts it and keeps going. Even the simple name shows he doesn’t care about the spectacle. The power is just a tool.
There’s also a nice parallel to Piccolo Daimaoh, who also made a wish to Shenlong to increase his strength, but for selfish reasons. He killed Shenlong afterward. Piccolo’s wish is the opposite. It’s selfless, and instead of destroying the dragon, he’s respected by him and rewarded with something extra.

[JulieYBM]

I would have just have Piccolo achieve his new forms without Shen Long and written an internal conflict for him. Give us his perspective on how the others are all using God ki now. Dive into his feelings on having God ki, too, or something.

[Yellow Flower King]

I would have just have Piccolo achieve his new forms without Shen Long and written an internal conflict for him. Give us his perspective on how the others are all using God ki now. Dive into his feelings on having God ki, too, or something.

I know wishing is anticlimactic af but I wish the DRAGON BALLS were NOT fully irrelevant in DRAGON BALL.

[Scsigs]

Here's the thing. Piccolo is established as having a ceiling of his natural power in Z, sadly. He gets more power from absorbing Nail & Kami, but still has the ceiling. Thus, it makes sense that Shenron artificially raised his ceiling & threw in the power-up so he's no longer astronomically behind the Saiyans anymore. Whereas I found Neva powering Goku up in Daima a weird asspull, Piccolo using the Dragon Balls to give himself a power-up is fine to me. I'd rather the Dragon Balls be used that way rather than Bulma using them to make herself look younger to soothe her vanity.

[BernardoCairo]

I would argue that Piccolo using the Dragon Balls to gain power, despite his pride as a martial artist and warrior, for the good of Earth is a much better concept than him training to obtain a new form, as everyone else does. This connects him even more to the Dragon Balls and magic in general, as well as rewarding him for his correct and fair use of Shenlong's powers, unlike his father...

[PhantomSaiyan]

At least his method of obtaining the form is unique.

If it was like every other form where he either trained for it, got mad and achieved it, or pulled it out of his ass mid combat, it would be so lame.
It's the reason why Super Saiyan Rage and Blue Evolution suck (and they look like shit but they mainly suck because of how they just randomly happened)

[BernardoCairo]

Yeah. Orange Piccolo is much better than the forms created by the anime staff (Rage and Blue Evolution), as well as Beast and maybe Super Saiyajin Blue. I think, in terms of design, Orange Piccolo is much better, but Blue had a lot of development in the manga (with Perfected Blue and everything else). I would say that I still prefer Orange Piccolo, however.
The only "Super" forms I like more than Orange Piccolo are Ultra Instinct (which is iconic and has unique powers) and Super Saiyajin God. Apart from that, I would say it's on the same level as Ultra Ego for me (and maybe I like it a little more).

One detail that I really like is how Piccolo looks like a Dragon Ball himself

[JulieYBM]

I am not a fan of multiple transformations per fight, but I enjoyed how Nagamine Tatsuya depicted Super Saiyan God as a technique-based form and Super Saiyan Blue as a power-first form in Dragon Ball Super: Broly. I would really like to see those depictions pushed further in future projects, especially if Ultra Instinct returns and serves its purpose as the last-ditch form.

[TheRed259]

It's strange to hear Sean Schemmel talking and screaming with this particular filter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU0oVDALlZc

[fadeddreams5]

So why didn't Trunks just use a capsule to trap the androids? Those things fit all sorts of electronics. Bulma can make a time machine, but not a stronger capsule? Are they stupid?

[BernardoCairo]

Do we know if the OVA "Plan to Eradicate the Saiyajins" served as an initial concept for what would become the Baby arc in GT? The stories share many similarities, even if superficially.